Log from #neuros IRC channel

man that's complicated :o)

I had a 'forced' upgrade (old hdd in neuros died)

as the best export from Australia since boomerangs once said... Slow

luckily I keep my music on my PC also.

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hehe. Tridge is a brilliant dude. Completely Odd, but brilliant.

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Tridge? i was talking about Kylie ;)

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oh bugger.

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who's Tridge anyway?

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Tridge = Andrew Tridgell, the dude who wrote rsync and most of SAMBA.

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ah, fine, i do not happen to know the name of most (in)famous coders

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i'm not *that* freak ;)

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I only know about tridge because he lives in Canberra. and I see him at CLUG meetings.

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i see

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and I've met RMS :o)

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really? he is a quite brilliant individual.. he does conferences here speaking a very natural (and sometimes funny) spanish

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cool. Yeah, he was here in october doing his usual speech. software patents and about GNU.

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any more about FLAC?

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nope, no news

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ah well. I'd do something, but it's all way over my head atm.

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over as a hat, over as the ceiling, over as a plane or over as the moon?

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hmm, ceiling.

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cool, let me know if i can provide some kind of stairs then

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heh...

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I think it will just take me sitting down and reading the code through for a week or so.

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the current code prohibits: a) gapless trough different codecs b) crossfading c) file oriented decoding

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by design

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<Rez>

is it fixable?

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if i had the guts/brains i'd rewrite this stuff... cos it's a main blocker for a lot of exciting features

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is there a _good_ reason for that design?

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the main reason is *space*

<Rez>

lack of it for the firmware?

the codecs are dinamically loaded, as they cannot fit together on code space

so the new one overwrites the old one on the fly

there are no common buffers

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and only a few globals glue them with the rest of the code

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maybe using a common writable buffer dataspace we can find some workarounds

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can we not have code in the 64Mb flash bit?

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<Rez>

well, for my issue, all the files in an album are going to use the same codec, so the codec loading isn't such a big thing

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flash it is slow, not directly addressable, and r/w are limited

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heh.

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told you I'm out of my depth.

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<Yono>

GarBage, did you see what Gao wrote about how stuff can be configured to take up less space?

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<Yono>

I had no clue what he was talking about, but I figured you did

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that's exactly what i just explained

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dinamically loadable sections

dynamically.

paul: thx

:)

needs to review the surrealistic Dynamic Duo TV adventures once again

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where's webkid?

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i think he should send a dev neuros to any of those MPC hackers

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<Yono>

he hasn't been around here for a couple of days

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Haven't seen him today.

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I'm out for lunch. Have a good one ppl!

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<Yono>

later

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<Yono>

ok, so what is the current roadmap for the firmware, what will come next most likely?

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<ivel>

tetris tetris tetris

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<Yono>

lol, hi ivel

<ivel>

hi

Yono: db reestructuration, i suppose

hi ivel

<Yono>

self profiling, cool

Yono: nope, i find that feature almost useless

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<ivel>

what is self profiling?

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if i add some content, then i'm in front of a computer, so i can rebuild

<ivel>

oh

<ivel>

GarBage: what do you think of this:

<ivel>

cgi.ebay.com

ivel: self profiling == on board database rebuilding

<ivel>

Yono gave me the OK to get it...

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<ivel>

not high on my list either....i just use NDBM

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ivel: that's a pretty cool gadget

<Yono>

that the 40GB version?

i want one!

<ivel>

no...just the empty case

<Yono>

self profiling isn't high for me either, I want wireless ;)

<ivel>

there's a french one available...but it's not a 2.5 drive

<ivel>

but 2.5 drive makes it smaller....:)

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<ivel>

it's about 300 euros for a 80 GB one...is that good GarBage ?

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does it output NTSC?

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french people use SECAM

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and here we use PAL-B/G

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<Yono>

1 Euro = 1.35 US I think

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<ivel>

the french one? i don't konw

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<ivel>

damn....too much

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ivel: that's funny, i think of a patenting a gadget like that just today

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not exactly that concept, but kinda

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say you have the Neuros, or other portable HD

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then you have a USB host device with a little OLED/LCD screen as a small remote, with several I/O ports

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a mini USB, a audio out, a line in, a video out and a video in

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so you can play back audio files digitally through it

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and video files as well

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and even directly record new ones

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that's my patent idea, now shared (and screwed) with the rest of the world

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<Yono>

hello

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<Yono>

ugh screwy computer

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what's up with the forums, or rather, what's down?

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hey nero

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has anybody else noticed their Neuros turning on for a few milliseconds every now and then while charging?

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good evening people

<Zap>

well good afternoon sir

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afternoon Zap, Nero

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<@edbgon>

hello

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argh - this video decoder chip is driving me nuts

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josh, what's up with that ?

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with what?

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howdy

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<Yono>

hello

<Yono>

have I missed anything? the log screwed up

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been pretty idle all day

<Yono>

dude, the logger disconnected

<Yono>

nerochiaro_away, fix it!

<Yono>

lol

<nerochiaro_away>

i'm doing it

<Yono>

ok

my tailback since 9AM is only about 20 lines

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<nerochiaro_away>

but there's something wrong between me and freenet.

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:(

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<nerochiaro_away>

i can stay all day connected with the mpc server, but here, after 20 minutes i don't talk, i get disconnected at the first time i try to say anything

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<nerochiaro_away>

it happens all the time

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<nerochiaro_away>

and i can't figure out what it is

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that's weird (I don't know anything about IRC, though)

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<nerochiaro_away>

it is indeed. LoRez suggested back then it was mirc's fault, so i replaced it with xchat

nerochiaro_away: it only happens to you and Koron, fix your clients

<nerochiaro_away>

gar, any suggestions on how to do that ?

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<nerochiaro_away>

many others use xchat and don't have problems

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dunno, i used both BithX and irssi painlessly

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<nerochiaro_away>

i know, it's strange

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xchat here

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<Yono>

GAIM IRC plugin

<nerochiaro_away>

oh, well, i can live with it, as long as the bot don't have trouble, i'm fine

ooo - GAIM has IRC plugin? cool

<nerochiaro_away>

gar, what was the problem with the battery charger that I posted in the forum ?

<Yono>

well, it comes with it now

<Yono>

I still use V 0.79 :-P

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insufficient amperage at the voltages needed for charging

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<nerochiaro_away>

you deduced that from the chart picture i posted ?

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as you turn your voltage up, the amperage goes down, the maximum amperage is only applied to the lowest voltage

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nerochiaro_away: yes, kinda, but that chart is highly cryptic

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<nerochiaro_away>

you don't understand the text or it just doesn't make sense anyway ?

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the chart itself if quite innacurate

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<nerochiaro_away>

well, ok. i'll go get another. so i should get one that outputs 1000mA at every voltage i choose ?

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humm... for regular multivoltage chargers that's utopic ... amps = volts / ohms

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<nerochiaro_away>

so what should i am for ?

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just make sure it gives at least 800mA-1000mA @ 9V(DC)~240V(AC) or so

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<nerochiaro_away>

ok.

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<nerochiaro_away>

why 240 AC ? we have 220 here

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ok, 220V then

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<nerochiaro_away>

you have 240 in spain ?

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nope

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220 too

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but most ac adaptors sold in EU take up to 240V

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<nerochiaro_away>

ah, ok

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<nerochiaro_away>

what happens if i feed a lower amperage ? shouldn' that make the batteries charge slower ? or does that happen with lower voltage ? (and yes, i suck at electronics)

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hummm

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say you have a pipe

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the diameter of the pipe should be the amperage

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that is how many electrons fill through that pipe

the voltage should be the pression on the pipe

<nerochiaro_away>

ok, the pipe analogy always works great

that is the hummm.. the speed on the pipe or so

<nerochiaro_away>

yes, i get what you mean

voltage == pressure of the water

the density of the fluid should be the resistance (ohms)

total amount of water (liters/sec) == power :)

that is how hard is to make the fluid flow