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src/net/sourceforge/neurosdbm/db/FullTrackInfo.java:41: error: Class or interface `javax.xml.transform.stream.StreamResult' not found in import. import javax.xml.transform.stream.StreamResult;

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switches to Windows to look at Yono's file.

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<@Starkey>

That's Java 1.4 stuff. :(

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crap... so is there something i could do?

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<@Starkey>

Not easily

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i like the idea of having a self contained db rebuilder on the neuros itself.. so i think i'd rather stay with sorune for the time being

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<@Starkey>

Well thanks for trying. :)

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<@Starkey>

Maybe I'll look at it.

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<@Starkey>

Yono, you still there?

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<Yono>

yep

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<@Starkey>

I'm looking at the file still. NDBM doesn't like it for some reason (as you know.)

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<Yono>

yea, I know

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<Yono>

I have others, but not to that extent

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<@Starkey>

I'm bringing it up in a hex editor. :)

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<@Starkey>

OK, here's the issue.

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<@Starkey>

You have a mixture of ID3 v2 and IDE v1.

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<@Starkey>

For IDE v2, you only have the artist...

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<@Starkey>

For ID3 v1, you have the title.

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<@Starkey>

So NDBM sees a v2 tag and assumes all tags are v2.

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<Yono>

lol

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<@Starkey>

But then doesn't see a title tag

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<Yono>

ugh

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<@Starkey>

So it uses the filename as the title.

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<@Starkey>

Any proper tagger should tag all of the stuff as v2

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<@Starkey>

And you would be fine.

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<Yono>

hmm alright

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<Yono>

I'll get a new tagger

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<@Starkey>

If you bring it up in a hex editor, you can easily see the problem.

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<@Starkey>

Sorry. :)

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<Yono>

any good free ones you know of?

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<@Starkey>

You'll be happier in the long run.

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<@Starkey>

There is one in Linux that I've used.

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<@Starkey>

I forget what its called.

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<@Starkey>

Hmm...

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<@Starkey>

The next version of NDBM will sort that song under "U" instead of "T"

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<@Starkey>

It already works in CVS.

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<Yono>

really, where in the CVS?

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<Yono>

what folderpath?

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<@Starkey>

You would have to build it

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<Yono>

o, thanx for reminding me

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<@Starkey>

hehe, Or I could give you a jar file

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<@Starkey>

:P

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<Yono>

that would help

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<Yono>

could you email it/host it somewhere on the site?

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<@Starkey>

Hmm... That would be nice of me, wouldn't it?

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<Yono>

yes, yes indeed

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<@Starkey>

Do I feel like being nice this evening?

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<Yono>

yes you do ;)

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<@Starkey>

My daugters have been mean this afternoon. Maybe I should copy them.

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<Yono>

uh oh

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<@Starkey>

:)

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<@Starkey>

[jar] Building jar: /home/starkey/neurosdbm/dist/NeurosDBM.jar

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<@Starkey>

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<@Starkey>

BUILD SUCCESSFUL

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<@Starkey>

Total time: 12 seconds

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<@Starkey>

[

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<Yono>

oo, somebody's cool 8-)

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<Yono>

12 seconds

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<@Starkey>

It still only takes 12 seconds to build the whole thing

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<@Starkey>

Not bad...

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<Yono>

hey paul, what's up?

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trying to get thunderbird working *SWEAR CURSE RANT RAVE*

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u???

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<Yono>

mmm

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<Yono>

I use outbox express on my windows box and gmail on my linux laptop

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<@Starkey>

Yono: neurosdbm.sourceforge.net

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<@Starkey>

Let me know if you have problems

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<Yono>

k, thanx starkey

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well, tbird compiled fine, installed fine, but it segfaults when a non-root user runs it!

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but runs perfectly as root. weird.

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<Yono>

well, I'd assume you could probably open it up from the console as root

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<Yono>

would it work then?

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Yono: U talking to me?

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<Yono>

yea

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well, tbird is an X app, so no console.

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log into X as root, it works fine.

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log into X as my normal users, brings up the windows

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asks if you want it to be default mail reader

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click ok, cancel or close, and it segfaults.

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here probably isn't the place to debug it tho :o)

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strace mozilla-thunderbird ?

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<@Starkey>

You might want to delete the user's .mozilla and/or .netscape directory

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strace complains about a missing init.d/K* stuff

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i think giving it a -P switch allows you to choose a new profile, though

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already deleted all old profiles.

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<@Starkey>

Why would you need init.d stuff? :)

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yeah, why? and for a regular user??

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sorry /opt/thunderbird/lib/thunderbird-0.9/init.d/K*

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strace says it cant find that directory.

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thats the last info b4 the segfault

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<@Starkey>

Interesting...

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I'm using LFS-6.0 testing with BLFS-SVN :O)_

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so It's my own silly fault really.

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i'm giving Ubuntu a try

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on a fresh xfs filesystem

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i've made great progresses so far

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it brings up LILO, then hangs

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cool. What's the idea behind Ubuntu?

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lol... bummer.

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cannot mount /dev/sda1 ;)

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is that where you / partition is?

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yeah

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Ubuntu is debian based, and with a fresh Gnome 2.8 out-of-the-box

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they send you free installation CDs

nice.

seems that users don't have read access to some of the TrueType fonts thunderbird wants.

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yep, that's the trouble, all is good now :o)

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<Yono>

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err... shouldn't all that font thing be handled by the xfs-xtt server instead?

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yeah but having permissions of 700 means that users can't even READ the font file.

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and then thunderbird barfs.

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i see

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but it's fixed now, and I've got all my old mail back :o)

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now for firefox!

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<@Starkey>

I use an IMAP server for mail. Best thing I've done in a while...

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yeah, but I've got mail from a bunch of different addresses which I don't have anymore.

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so I just pop3.

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IMAP4 is great, better achievement ever (since toilet paper)

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IMAP + LDAP == mail heaven

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<@Starkey>

I get mail from many places. I use fetchmail to download it to my IMAP server running on my Linux box (after running through procmail and spamassassin)

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<@Starkey>

And then I can use evolution, or webmail, or outlook, or my phone to read my mail. :)

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<@Starkey>

Truly nifty stuff

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heh I'd do that if I had broadband.

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i do all the procmail and MailScanner+SpamAssasin in place, on our mail too

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then Thunderbird get everything misguided in place (if i misguided something)

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<@Starkey>

I definitely don't want my phone beeping at me for a piece of spam! :)

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i mean, *mail server

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I have set up fetchmail -> spamassassin -> procmail -> imap4

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but It just isn't practical on dialup.

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what that mail server lacks rite now is shared folders

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at least, I find it real annoying.

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pwarren: how does LFS manage its updates? incremental, diff, CVS or something?

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Subversion I beleive.

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oh, great.. for the kernel source too?

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brb. hangin out washing :o)

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i'd paid for an original kernel.org low-bw versioning system for the kernel sources...

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based on free software like CVS or SVN

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and don't even mention Arch, Arch is evil...

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<dane>

how long can tags for ogg/mp3 be?? I have one show I record fairly religiously, and it would be nice to have the entire description (4 or 5 paragraphs, HTML format) in there too(not that it will show up on my Neuros yet, but...someday)...is that possible?!

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night ppl. Time to fix X :o)

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damn, i had to briefly reset the machine, because my monitor entered stand-by state and decided to never re-emerge from it

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surely someone said something fundamental that is now missing from the logs ;)

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<Seed>

hi nerochiaro

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hey seed

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<Seed>

nerochiaro: you only missed me farting.. nothing much besides

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oh well, no biggie then

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<Seed>

happened to me at least twice on pre-SP2 days

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(i hope)

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i'm on sp2

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<Seed>

bad luck

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yes, but I promptly disabled the stand by

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heheh - windows :)

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it's useless anyway. i shut down the monitor when i'm not at it

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josh: :)

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its weird - I haven't touched windows in about 2 years now

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and I can hardly use my girlfriend's laptop now

farted

er oops

LOL

josh: linux addiction

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gentoo here :)

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well, freebsd at first, but now Linux

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by ChanServ

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and it's not an addiction; it's just that, to me, Windows is the alternative O/S

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<@edbgon>

exactly

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<@edbgon>

i get stuff done faster in linux.. now if only i had something to do

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I'm a bumblind idiot in windows - I can hardly do anything, really

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josh: depends on where you work the most. i work as a win32 developer for a living, so i'm more familiar to that OS

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exactly

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and I'm a linux developer; and b4 that I was a freebsd sysadmin

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scary thing is, I really need to start using Windows again before I'm completely lost touch with it

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(that would be a bad career move, methinks)

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bad indeed

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anyay, when i get in linux (debian here) it's fun and refreshing to try a new way of doing things, but takes much more time to get something done

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lemme know if you need any help w/ Debian; we use it here @work

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well, for the moment i have put my linux time to the back burner while I tinker w/ the neuros

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but when i get back to it, i will sure remember you when i need help. thankx

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np

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<nerochiaro_away>

anyone still around ?

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me me...oooo..me

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:)

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<@edbgon>

me

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<@edbgon>

can we help you?

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<nerochiaro_away>

well, anyone of you is familiar with the firmware ?

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<nerochiaro_away>

the source, i mean

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not really :(

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what'cha hackin' on, nero?

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<nerochiaro_away>

menus. i'm just doing a simple modification, adding some items, but I am probably stupid and can't figure out what i'm doing wrong

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I'm thinking to download the firmware and start looking through it even though I can't compile

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<nerochiaro_away>

josh: have you ever tried running the compiler in vmware ?

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<nerochiaro_away>

or bochs ?

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<ivel|Work>

Yono, where's webkid?

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<Yono>

dunno, he hasn't been on in a while

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<ivel|Work>

i noticed

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<ivel|Work>

i wonder if things are ok with him....

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<ivel|Work>

anything new with you? i'm bored at work....again.

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<Yono>

heh, nah nothing much going on here

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<ivel|Work>

so i bought that HD and it seems that NA might be building one now.

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<Yono>

yea, I know

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<Yono>

man, I can't talk to webkid about the wireless packet until he comes back on

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<ivel|Work>

webkid@webkid.com

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<ivel|Work>

how are you making out on that?

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<Yono>

I haven't done anything

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20G vs ...4G max with a big CF card.... - seems like I know which is going to win

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<Yono>

I'm still reading up on C

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<Yono>

Josh: 5G actually

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5G...flash or microdrive?

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<nerochiaro_away>

yono: C as in C language ?

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<Yono>

there's plenty of microdrives I figure a few could be compatable

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<Yono>

to josh

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<Yono>

nero: yes

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<nerochiaro_away>

yono: cool.

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<ivel|Work>

i suppose if the NA one is better i sell mine. i have no issues ebaying stuff...:)

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I really dig that one on ebay, though...

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<nerochiaro_away>

yono: in other news, i saw you have a page in the wiki called CpuClock or something. What's up with that ?

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<Yono>

GarBage talked about overclocking the neuros

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lol

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<Yono>

I was going to try to find the optimal speed for the neuros, but I never got around to it

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<Yono>

if you have a free afternoon, you could play around with it

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overclocking for....better ogg playback?

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<ivel|Work>

instead you're learning C right?

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<Yono>

and menu scrolling

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<ivel|Work>

JoshMalone: will let you guys know how well that ebay one works.

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<Yono>

ivel: yea, but its just one variable in hex, I could handle it if I had time to test ;)

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<Seed>

there's a better solution than overclocking to play Vorbis better ;)

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<Yono>

o?

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<Seed>

supporing a format that doesn't flatten batteries so quickly

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<Seed>

+t

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<Yono>

and mr seed, this format wouldn't happen to be musepack now would it?

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<Seed>

no, VQF

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