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[00:03]	<nerochiaro>	good evening people
[00:03]	<nerochiaro>	anyone here ?
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[00:25]	<gernika>	I'm here nerochiaro
[00:25]	<gernika>	are you still here?
[00:26]	<gernika>	nerochiaro: www.loglibrary.com
[00:27]	<gernika>	check out the preferences options
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[00:36]	<nerochiaro_away>	gernika, nice job with the chat logs preferences
[00:36]	<gernika>	nerochiaro: thanks
[00:37]	<nerochiaro_away>	now it makes sense to look at, without all that scrolling
[00:37]	<gernika>	good to hear
[00:37]	<nerochiaro_away>	one suggestion, if you don't mind (but it might be overly complicated) : if in a 5 hour span nothing happens, just show us the next five hours where something actually happened
[00:38]	<nerochiaro_away>	not sure if it's already that way
[00:38]	<gernika>	Well, I actually do that
[00:38]	<nerochiaro_away>	great then. i will ask no more :)
[00:38]	<gernika>	The technique has a few kinks but yes, I agree that is absolutely necessary.
[00:39]	<nerochiaro_away>	well, maybe not "absolutely"... but sure it's damn more convenient that way
[00:40]	<gernika>	I'm trying to figure out what to put on the top of the log display page; there is a lot of space up there and I'm pretty sure I could fill it with useful info...
[00:40]	<nerochiaro_away>	time from - to would be useful, besides the date
[00:41]	<gernika>	yeah that's a good one
[00:41]	<nerochiaro_away>	i mean, the time span that is covered by the current page
[00:41]	<gernika>	oh ok, I gotcha
[00:41]	<gernika>	yeah I agree.
[00:41]	<nerochiaro_away>	another nice touch could be to add to the top the same navigation links that are at the bottom
[00:42]	<nerochiaro_away>	so one don't have to scroll all the way down to move to the next 5 hours
[00:42]	<gernika>	doh! yeah that's true
[00:42]	<nerochiaro_away>	anyway, it's looking pretty nice
[00:42]	<gernika>	cool
[00:43]	<nerochiaro_away>	now, i just have to solve my problems with the chat clients, and my IRC experience will be near perfect
[00:43]	<gernika>	heheh what are you using?
[00:43]	<nerochiaro_away>	xchat 2.4.0
[00:43]	<nerochiaro_away>	tried mirc before, same problems
[00:43]	<nerochiaro_away>	server keeps disconnecting me out of nowhere
[00:43]	<gernika>	I'm using xchat 2. something (well now I'm actually using bitchx)
[00:44]	<gernika>	interesting...
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[00:44]	<gernika>	heheh
[00:44]	<nerochiaro_away>	see ?
[00:44]	<nerochiaro_away>	that was my ghost from the past disconnection
[00:45]	<gernika>	connection timed out. is there away to adjust ping frequency?
[00:45]	<nerochiaro>	i'll look for that
[00:45]	<nerochiaro>	but sometimes is also "connection reset by peer"
[00:45]	<gernika>	damn
[00:46]	<nerochiaro>	mmh, i can't find anythign about ping freq in xchat options
[00:46]	<gernika>	what kind of connection are you on?
[00:46]	<nerochiaro>	adsl
[00:47]	<gernika>	just doesn't make any sense
[00:47]	<nerochiaro>	yes, to me too
[00:47]	<nerochiaro>	one thing i want to try is bitchx or irssi under cygwin
[00:47]	<nerochiaro>	(if that's at all possible)
[00:48]	<gernika>	bitchx should work
[00:48]	<gernika>	haven't tried irssi
[00:48]	<gernika>	the bitchx interface takes a bit of study
[00:49]	<nerochiaro>	i used that under linux and isn't all that difficult
[00:49]	<gernika>	hmm. I was having trouble navigating between split windows this morning
[00:50]	<nerochiaro>	aww, it seems i have to compile bitchx myself under cygwin. i'm too lazy for that, right now. maybe tomorrow
[00:50]	<gernika>	heheh
[00:52]	<nerochiaro>	can you please try to access www.bitchx.org ?
[00:53]	<gernika>	gone
[00:53]	<nerochiaro>	ah, ok. so it's not just me
[00:53]	<gernika>	hmm. it was up this morning
[00:54]	<nerochiaro>	just my luck...
[00:56]	<nerochiaro>	well, i'll get another half an hour of work, then to bed. see you gernika, and kudos again for the log stuff
[00:58]	<gernika>	thx again; l8r
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[05:35]	<inkedmn>	i have most oggs on my neuros, will NSM work with it?
[05:35]	<inkedmn>	i've been using positron mostly, but i'd like to be able to edit the tag data for mp3/ogg files
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[05:41]	<d33p>	is there any bug list of neuros?
[05:43]	<d33p>	bugzilla.neurosaudio.com
[05:43]	<d33p>	nevermind
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[11:20]	<nerochiaro_bitch>	let's see if it gets better with bitchx under cygwin
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[12:34]	<nerochiaro>	hi Miker
[12:34]	<Miker__>	hello
[12:35]	<Miker__>	just popping in to see if there's any activity here :)
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[12:35]	<nerochiaro>	not much at the moment, in fact
[12:36]	<Miker__>	are the irclogs back up and running ?
[12:36]	<nerochiaro>	we have 2 logs at the moment. mine and gernika. you should really look at gernika's though, they are more stable
[12:38]	<nerochiaro>	mine: nerochiaro.net gernika's: www.loglibrary.com and look under the letter N
[12:38]	<Miker__>	great, was just going to ask that :)
[12:39]	<Miker__>	I see myself in the logs, so it's rather up-to-date
[12:39]	<nerochiaro>	if one doesn't work, use the other
[12:40]	<nerochiaro>	yes, but my bot gets disconnected too often, lately. and often i reset or turn off the machine. gernika has a dedicated server, instead
[12:40]	<Miker__>	are there any preset times at which people meet here ?
[12:40]	<nerochiaro>	no
[12:40]	<nerochiaro>	it's random
[12:41]	<Miker__>	ok, thanks for the info, is this somewhere on the wiki ?
[12:41]	<Miker__>	the logs i mean
[12:42]	<Miker__>	I like your logformat better i think
[12:42]	<nerochiaro>	mine ? is just "everything in one page" format
[12:42]	<Miker__>	exactly :)
[12:42]	<Miker__>	too much clicking for the other one
[12:43]	<nerochiaro>	you can config gernika's logs to do the same, i think
[12:43]	<Miker__>	ah ok
[12:44]	<nerochiaro>	there's a preferences link at the top, use that and set page size = 24 hours.
[12:45]	<nerochiaro>	after that it will work more or less like mine
[12:45]	<Miker__>	indeed
[12:46]	<nerochiaro>	or even set it to 1 day (more or less the same, i know :)
[12:46]	<Miker__>	that's what I did, less typing :)
[12:50]	<Miker__>	ok, thanks for the info, bye!
[12:50]	<nerochiaro>	bye
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[13:11]	<GarBage>	nerochiaro: sup?
[13:12]	<nerochiaro>	hey gar
[13:12]	<GarBage>	hiya biancoscuro
[13:12]	<nerochiaro>	:)
[13:13]	<nerochiaro>	you spanish have a command of italian language that always amazes me
[13:13]	<GarBage>	they're all romance after all ;)
[13:14]	<GarBage>	or romanic or whatever
[13:14]	<nerochiaro>	indeed. but it seems it's easier for you to understand italian than for us to understand spanish
[13:14]	<nerochiaro>	anyway
[13:14]	<nerochiaro>	you have a little time to help me get back on track ?
[13:14]	<nerochiaro>	with these memory problems i talked about in ML
[13:15]	<GarBage>	i could try
[13:15]	<nerochiaro>	good
[13:15]	<nerochiaro>	i have found a workaround, using #pragma to put my code in segments where there's space
[13:15]	<GarBage>	may i ask you to drop logging on ^!.+ messages?
[13:16]	<nerochiaro>	you talking about my irc logs ?
[13:16]	<GarBage>	yeah
[13:17]	<nerochiaro>	well, i'll see to that, but really you should use gernicka's logs at loglibrary.com
[13:17]	<GarBage>	say, everything that starts with an "!" does not get logged or something
[13:17]	<nerochiaro>	should be easy enough to do
[13:17]	<nerochiaro>	i'll see to that later
[13:18]	<GarBage>	fine, now to the point
[13:18]	<nerochiaro>	yep, i can't understand why i get the freezing behaviour when i try to resize a section
[13:19]	<nerochiaro>	can you fish out my message to the ML, i explain there the process i followed
[13:19]	<nerochiaro>	it seems right to me, but it doesn't work
[13:19]	<GarBage>	ok, i've read it
[13:21]	<nerochiaro>	am i doing any obviously wrong thing ?
[13:22]	<GarBage>	and i can't give you answers to any of your 3 questions
[13:22]	<nerochiaro>	great :(
[13:22]	<GarBage>	i've already moved code from section to section
[13:23]	<GarBage>	and even resize some of those
[13:23]	<GarBage>	with great patience, and accurate calculation
[13:23]	<GarBage>	but i haven't experienced freezing issues
[13:24]	<nerochiaro>	that means you never had a failure, i guess
[13:24]	<GarBage>	as for the #pragma relocations, it sounds good, as long as both sections are loaded at a time
[13:25]	<nerochiaro>	how do i know if they are ?
[13:25]	<GarBage>	it messes the code logic a lot, though
[13:26]	<GarBage>	well, if both sections are on the same union, they won't be loaded at a time
[13:27]	<nerochiaro>	ok, i'll keep that in mind
[13:27]	<nerochiaro>	another thing, have you ever had crashes in the image.exe program ?
[13:27]	<GarBage>	you'll have to mess with the linker file to find out where they are
[13:28]	<GarBage>	nerochiaro: nope, i had not
[13:28]	<nerochiaro>	linker file= neuros200.cmd ?
[13:28]	<GarBage>	yeah, that one
[13:28]	<nerochiaro>	i suppose
[13:29]	<GarBage>	that file gets rewrited by emuflash on every build
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[13:30]	<GarBage>	looks like emuflash is a parser
[13:30]	<nerochiaro>	yes, but it doesn't change its contents
[13:30]	<GarBage>	it writes out a different version of the file for both load and noload parts of the code
[13:31]	<GarBage>	nerochiaro: yes, it changes indeed, but it reverts to its original state after the second pass
[13:32]	<GarBage>	make a backup, and run only the first pass, then compare the files
[13:32]	<nerochiaro>	so it's still not a problem. let's say i'm trying to add a simple logging facility (simple=write strings to a text file). any hint on where i should put it in memory so it's available to any place ?
[13:33]	<GarBage>	the reasonable place to put it is under the disk code
[13:34]	<nerochiaro>	makes sense
[13:34]	<GarBage>	that's .fat_code
[13:35]	<nerochiaro>	and suppose i want to put it in separate files, do i have to alter the makefile to make them compile, am i right ?
[13:35]	<GarBage>	that is correct
[13:36]	<nerochiaro>	never tried that, but looks like a mess.
[13:36]	<nerochiaro>	i'll try, anyway
[13:37]	<GarBage>	btw, i made it so that CCS runs under linux
[13:37]	<nerochiaro>	with wine ?
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[13:38]	<GarBage>	yeah, a special build of wine
[13:38]	<ng1>	hey ppl
[13:38]	<nerochiaro>	did you have to change many things ?
[13:38]	<d33p>	hello everybody
[13:38]	<GarBage>	hi ng1, d33p
[13:38]	<nerochiaro>	hi everybody
[13:38]	<ng1>	listen i need some help
[13:39]	<nerochiaro>	with what ?
[13:39]	<GarBage>	nerochiaro: it was quite a hard bitch to deal with, indeed
[13:39]	<ng1>	which is better.... BernardCafarelli firmware or the other one
[13:39]	<ng1>	?
[13:39]	<ng1>	??
[13:39]	<nerochiaro>	GarBage: any change you post some instructions for others who want to try to the wiki ?
[13:39]	<GarBage>	ng1: Bernard is currently the most up to date binary build, afaik
[13:40]	<ng1>	k thanx
[13:41]	<ng1>	how many of think neuros is better than ipod???? honestly!
[13:41]	<GarBage>	not yet, i still have to figure out some things
[13:41]	<GarBage>	ng1: add me to that list, man
[13:42]	<ng1>	i hav a neuros bundle
[13:42]	<nerochiaro>	GarBage: ok, but later when it's stable, it would be nice if you did. would help many people, i think. -- there was another small thing i wanted to ask you, if you have time. it's about menus.
[13:42]	<ng1>	but ipod rocks hands down
[13:42]	<nerochiaro>	ng1: everyone is entitled their opinion i guess.
[13:42]	<ng1>	yup
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[13:44]	<nerochiaro>	GarBage: say i want to create menus on the fly, like: i read a text file from disk, and every line becomes a menu entry in a new menu. any pointers where i should start to look ?
[13:45]	<GarBage>	hummm.. why don't you make it a special menu instead of a regular browsing one?
[13:46]	<nerochiaro>	you mean "special" like, say, the dj controls menu ?
[13:46]	<nerochiaro>	or special like the preferences menu ?
[13:47]	<GarBage>	a special crafted one, much like the settings->properties one
[13:49]	<nerochiaro>	well, i might. but isn't easy to just use the normal menu structure (which already have the scrolling features etc) instead of reinventing the wheel to implement these features to a custom menu ?
[13:49]	<nerochiaro>	it's a genuinely curious question, not a rethoric question
[13:50]	<GarBage>	you could reuse those features (i.e scroll) on that, no big deal
[13:50]	<nerochiaro>	so i will try and take a look at that route
[13:52]	<nerochiaro>	ok. i have to go in a few minutes, so i will stop pestering you ;) thanks for the help
[13:56]	<GarBage>	nerochiaro: still there?
[13:57]	<nerochiaro>	yes
[13:57]	<nerochiaro>	for a little
[13:57]	<GarBage>	wait a minute...
[13:58]	<nerochiaro>	ok, no problem
[13:58]	<nerochiaro>	i'not really in a hurry
[13:59]	<GarBage>	got my privmsg?
[13:59]	<nerochiaro>	yes. cool
[14:00]	<nerochiaro>	you did all the environment, not just the compiler
[14:00]	<nerochiaro>	i thought you were aiming just at the command line tools
[14:01]	<GarBage>	yes, actually they're all i need
[14:02]	<nerochiaro>	i imagine that by doing the CLI tools, you got the graphical ones "for free"
[14:02]	<nerochiaro>	or did you have to spend blood sweat and tears on these too ?
[14:02]	<GarBage>	nope, no way, they've come bundled
[14:02]	<nerochiaro>	i guessed right, then :)
[14:03]	<GarBage>	but still the IDE refuses to recognize the emulation layer/board
[14:03]	<GarBage>	and won't actually boot up succesfully
[14:03]	<nerochiaro>	it's almost the incentive i needed to switch to linux permanently. almost.
[14:04]	<nerochiaro>	well, at the moment, i think you're the only one in need to recognize the board, since NA is sponsoring you
[14:04]	<nerochiaro>	did you get your package from them ?
[14:05]	<GarBage>	hummm... i haven't received anything yet, but compliments ;)
[14:06]	<nerochiaro>	compliments, for what ?
[14:06]	<nerochiaro>	for the "switch to linux" things ?
[14:07]	<GarBage>	nope, on the firmware work, that's it
[14:09]	<nerochiaro>	you mean for the fact i'm trying to work on the firware ?
[14:11]	<GarBage>	err... what? nope, i said both K and Joe were grateful on the efforts i put on the firmware development, and they made some compliments on my work
[14:12]	<nerochiaro>	ah. ok. now i undestand. man,i was being rather stupid
[14:13]	<GarBage>	k, i was questioning my english... again ;)
[14:13]	<nerochiaro>	no, no, it was ok. the problem was with my brain, this time :)
[14:14]	<nerochiaro>	i really need to leave now. i might be back in half an hour or so. see you later
[14:14]	<GarBage>	k, have a good time
[14:15]	<nerochiaro>	heh, not really. i'm going buying something to eat. supermarket is never a good time ;) bye
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[16:41]	<nerochiaro>	GarBage: you still around ?
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[17:36]	<mashpotats>	anybody know anything about the 'alarm support' define in feature.h? Is this alarm clock support, how far along it is, etc?
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[22:01]	<ncterval>	GarBage: I just got off the phone with Neuros support. They reccomended I try it with Windows to fix that firmware mounting 'dillema'.
[22:02]	<ncterval>	You had said that others were having problems with it even on Windows, correct?
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[23:08]	<Yono>	GarBage: you got CCS working with wine in linux, but how can that be?
[23:08]	<Yono>	isn't your license expired?
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