Log from #neuros IRC channel

<d33p>

nerochiaro, do you use code composer studio for neuros?

yes

<d33p>

nice...

i mean, the tools, not the environment

<d33p>

in the import configuration, at the start

<d33p>

which one do you have to use?

<d33p>

oohh, just installed it

[22:20]

<Koron>

d33p: neuros-firmware.sourceforge.net

[22:20]

wait a sec

[22:21]

d33p: try 'C5416 Device Simulator'

[22:21]

d33p: do you plan to use the TI environment ?

[22:22]

d33p: I would advise against it

[22:23]

<d33p>

nerochiaro, don't have a neuros

[22:24]

<d33p>

and if I find an emulator of the c5416 I'm going to try to go for the neurotris (that's how I call neuros' tetris)

[22:24]

<d33p>

would like to have a neuros to try with the real thing, but pretty much broke (as always LOL)

[22:25]

d33p: suppose you can emulate the CPU, that would not get you very far, i suppose

you need, for example, to emulate also the LCD

and the keyboard

<d33p>

nerochiaro, I know, thought of it

<d33p>

so then it's impossible to me to code the neurotris, since I can't beta test my own code (really necesary to develop something)

[22:27]

<d33p>

you know, programming sometimes is a little bit trial and error LoL

[22:27]

<Koron>

i doubt you will have much luck unless you own a neuros

[22:27]

well, that's how I would feel, if I were in your place.

[22:28]

anyway, if you want to try something on the CPU alone, you can try this, maybe: gdspsim.sourceforge.net

[22:30]

but really, as koron said, you are not going to have much luck going down that road. at least, in my opinion.

<d33p>

I know

<d33p>

trying to code without one at such level is too crazy

<Koron>

heh, people bought some of them from woot

<Koron>

and are just selling them very recently on ebay

<d33p>

somebody offered to try my code every now and then but I told him I need more dinamic trials xD

<d33p>

from woot?

<Koron>

woot.com sold about 300 of them last month

<Koron>

$150 for a 30gb usb 1.1 version

d33p: yes, without trying stuff, there's no way you can obtain anything. at least, unless you're a genius

<d33p>

maybe in christmas I get some money

<d33p>

but as a college student who doesn't work, pretty much broke all the time

<d33p>

nerochiaro, I know I know

<Koron>

i hear that :-p

<d33p>

Koron, you understand

<d33p>

I have to talk to GarBage when he comes back from vacations still

d33p: you could try getting one of the units in the dev pool that ivel donated, but probably the shipping expenses would be bad anyway

<d33p>

not only interested in neurotris but all neuros firmware code

d33p: need something specifically from him, or just help

<d33p>

nerochiaro, I can handle the shipping

<d33p>

I talked with ivel the other day

yes, i have seen that in the logs

<d33p>

nerochiaro, then I don't have to summarize the conversation ;)

<d33p>

nerochiaro, I started looking to the neuros firmware through GarBage, I sent him some stupid little code

<d33p>

we both are from spain btw

<d33p>

and want him to tell me about the stupid little code before I go on and start trying to code bigger and more complex stuff

yeah, it seems that the most people working on the neuros are from europe. weird, that

<d33p>

nerochiaro, more open source programmers in europe in general

d33p: what's the 'stupid little code' about ?

true, the thing of OS programmers in europe

<d33p>

nerochiaro, bug70 in the bugzilla... it's about the pause and unpause

[22:37]

<d33p>

turning the volume down and up for each so it isn't as shocking or ear popping, more smooth effect ;)

[22:37]

<d33p>

also the volume interface (the debate of numeric or a bar)... want to give that a try mixing both at the same time? when the bar is over the number, this is would be white and when the bar is below, black

[22:38]

<d33p>

the old negative effect when something get's on top ;)

[22:38]

<d33p>

sorry, that was not a question, "same time?", should be "same time."

[22:38]

wouldn't it be better if you put the number on one side and the bar on the other. there's space enough for both without the complication of pverlapping

<Koron>

hah

<d33p>

nerochiaro, haven't seen the actual interface so if you say so having seen it, it would be good yes

<Koron>

i like when i have it on lock and i press play and it won't turn on

<Koron>

and get panicked

<Koron>

yeah, there is plenty of room

<Koron>

you could kill the cheesy little speaker icon to the left of the bar

<d33p>

my only data about neuros is the sites with info of it and the bugzilla ;)

<Koron>

it's a cool little device

<Koron>

a little bulky but i can deal with it

<Koron>

i carry it around in my pocket

<d33p>

Koron, indeed, it's in number one of my wishlist

[22:41]

<Koron>

a lot of people use it in their cars

[22:41]

d33p: and you already coding for it ? you're kind of brave

[22:41]

<d33p>

nerochiaro, well to be sincere...

<Koron>

apparently neuros and this "nachus" company are teaming together for neuros III

<Koron>

asia.cnet.com

<Koron>

that is the nachus's player

<d33p>

the first thing I read about neuros was a message of GarBage in a blog saying that if the blogger was interested in coding for it he might get sent one... that caught my attention, and know I love the device after reading about it

<Koron>

it is a tiny little pendant-sized mp3 player

flash only i guess

<Koron>

yeah

<Koron>

good to have a company experienced in making something that small on board though

<Koron>

size is the #1 complaint for the neuros

koron: depends on how they use the asset

<Koron>

indeed

<Koron>

you never know how it will turn out

[22:44]

d33p: I see. and indeed if you have nice ideas and can pitch them well, you might get a neuros unit from the company. at least, that's the word out from them

[22:44]

<d33p>

nerochiaro, pitch them well... the problem is the vicious cycle... I can play with the code all I want but is hard to have good ideas without a device...

<d33p>

anyway the codec's side and little things in the code

<d33p>

I can do without one

<d33p>

the neutris in the other side is imposible, like thinking of any interface features

<Koron>

well if i am around and you have a code change that you are pretty sure works i might be able to test it for you, but i still don't think it is very feasible

<d33p>

can only work in the backend right now

koron: it is not, probably

[22:46]

<d33p>

damn vicious cycle

[22:46]

d33p: why so interested in tetris ?

[22:46]

don't tell me it's for the bounty

(that last one needed a ;) at the end)

<d33p>

btw... the company says that they will help developers but only seen donated hardware by theird parties

<d33p>

nerochiaro, ivel told me about it, and I thought it was a nice quest ;)

not true. garbage should be reciveing a dev kit soon. at least that's what i understood from my last conversation with him

<d33p>

I like having goals to solve

<d33p>

;)

<Koron>

from what i have seen, neuros isn't that large of a company that can justify doing that too much anyways

<Koron>

at any rate, I have a meeting

d33p: well, there are goals that are more useful than tetris, but if you like it, then go ahead.

<Koron>

later

<d33p>

and how you catch the company's attention?

<d33p>

nerochiaro, I was just looking all the possible goals, it isn't the only one in my mind

<d33p>

have a nice day nerochiaro

as i said, by having interesting ideas, by pitching them in an interesting way to them and, i suppose, by showing the potential to realize them

why 'have a nice day' ?