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Hi, just discovered the neuros website. Looks like a cool device. Does anyone know if it can be used with Linux, FreeBSD, Macs, etc. ? Basically, does it behave like a usb drive that just happebs to be able to play mp3 that are dumped on it ? That is Waht I am looking for.

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<burno>

anyone ? anyone ?

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hey

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Hey all.

*Sigh*

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GarBage: I tested my Neuros with the 2.25 firmware on Windows, and it was perfectly accesable. Someone from DI support helped me downgrade to 2.21, and that also will not work under Linux.

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So I'm quite confused.

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gernika, you there ?

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<pierre___>

so anyone knows what can I do to debrick this neuros?

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<pierre___>

support is not so reactive it seems.. :(

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how did you brick it ?

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<pierre___>

I use it during 10 or 15 min

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<pierre___>

then let it charge during the night and then nothing..:(

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it doesn't turn on at all ?

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<pierre___>

no nothing on the screen at least

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have you tried dislodging the brain from the backpack ?

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and trying again to turn it on after reattaching it ?

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<pierre___>

yes, I tried changing back pack

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<pierre___>

recharging another night the backpack alon

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<pierre___>

play + up 1 + 5 + play

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<pierre___>

nothing comes

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i was about to suggest that last key combo

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<pierre___>

some post on the forum suggest that some neuros have some missoldered wires in

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<pierre___>

I would like to know which before triing to open it

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it might be in fact an hardware problem. other than the solutions you already tried, i don't really know. before opening, wait for support to answer you

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unless you really don't care about your warranty of course

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you had the original fw loaded ?

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<pierre___>

yes, i would have chnaging this after the first night charge..

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don't know, i am afraid you will need to return it, but by all means wait for support. or check back here later when someone else more experienced than me might be able to help you.

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sorry

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<pierre___>

yes, you know if someone from neuros suport comes here ?

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<pierre___>

I dont want to phone to the US..

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nobody of the NA employees comes here, that i know of

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where are you from ?

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<pierre___>

I m from france

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heh, it's really bad luck then. hopefully it's not an hardware problem, or the shipping fees to return it will kill you. btw, i'm from Italy

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so i know the pain

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have to go. good luck pierre___ . bye

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<d33p>

hi everybody

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<d33p>

hello nerochiaro

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hi d33p

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what's up ?

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<d33p>

nerochiaro, not much, how bout U?

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same here, nothing particularly exciting going on either

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well, i'll be on the other desktop coding a while. if you need me, just call.

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<d33p>

cool

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<d33p>

one desktop for coding and an other to internet?

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more or less. i actually have 3 open, one have a panoramic image stitching program crunching in the background

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<d33p>

lol

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hiya

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<Yono>

hey GarBage

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pierre___: are you still among us, dude?

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pierre___: try to bring it back using HiSi + Down

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nerochiaro: could you please get my latest CVS branch and try to build it up?

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GarBage: sue

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sure

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GarBage: i'm checking it out right now

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i blindly committed some new, untested changes

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so i'm not confident the build will success

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we'll see in a few minutes

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<DeepB>

ok, thank you man

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DeepB: no problem. why the name change ?

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<DeepB>

any progresses with your linking nightmare?

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relocating with #pragma works for now, so i'm sticking with it

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<DeepB>

no real reason

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why did you say that doing that messes up the application logic, by the way ?

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that=using #pragmas

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<DeepB>

it *could* break it

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<DeepB>

say you load a disk function onto an ogg decoder section

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<DeepB>

that's not logic at all, and it won't work unless the ogg decoder is loaded

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<DeepB>

that's why

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damn, irssi just crashed

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<DeepB>

got my answer?

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yes, but wait a sec

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<d33p>

hello DeepB!

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#pragma tell the linker where to put the code at link time, right ? the decoders are instead loaded dynamically at run time. so if i put my code with #pragma in a section where i know that no decoder will be loaded to, i should be fine

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or am i missing something ?

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<DeepB>

afaik, that is correct

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<DeepB>

hiya, double-mirror-deep

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DeepB: compilation in progress

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DeepB: "GEN_xdata.asm", ERROR! at EOF: [E0300] The following symbols are undefined:

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_text_x_carmode

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<DeepB>

ok, i suspected it

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you forgot some string for the new car mode feature ?

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<DeepB>

yes, edit tmplt_player.inc

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<DeepB>

it should be placed under _text_x_scrollwrap i think

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i'm doing that

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it was alrady there, but you cut'n'pasted x_scrollweap and forgot to change it to x_carmode

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<DeepB>

stupid copy-paste...

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;)

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did you make a label of the previous version ? in cvs, i mean

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<DeepB>

nope

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<DeepB>

CVS updated

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ack ! maybe think about that next time, so that there's always a more or less solid base to start with

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more erros

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"UI_MSF_xtra.c", line 218: error: identifier "VMENU_XTRA_CARMODE" is undefined

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"UI_MSF_xtra.c", line 219: error: struct "<unnamed>" has no field "x_CARMODE"

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<DeepB>

ok, edit that file and tmplt.h also

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just did that

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the error was just in tmplt.h

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<DeepB>

CVS is fixed

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the x_carmode field of the sysParam struct was missing too

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<Yono>

DeepB: did you ever happen to give LibmusepackC to the MPC guys?

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nope, i don't even have it

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you seem the only one to have seen it, actually :)

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<DeepB>

Yono: nope, or not until the integer stuff is working on the neuros

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<Yono>

ok

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<Yono>

they made their own version, so I figured u hadn't

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oh, sorry, i thought that message was directed at me.

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<DeepB>

the C conversion was easy, converting all 64 bit operations is harder

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<Yono>

yes

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<Yono>

one of the ppl would like to see a copy

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DeepB: ok, everything compiled and linked fine

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<Yono>

nero: is it in a "crash the neuros" state still?

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hey

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Yono: i have just compiled it, not uploaded to the brick yet

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yono suggested I come here to find out about the existing libmusepack c port

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i've been working on one myself because i was told it didn't exist

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kuniklo: ask DeepB, he's the one who's working on it

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<DeepB>

kuniklo: i've taken libmusepack and made it to c a while ago, but it is in an unusable state as i'm emulating all 64 bit operations with 32 bit operators

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<DeepB>

and haven't finished this step yet

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<Yono>

however, if you would like to help with that, I'm sure gabage wouldn't mind

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i'd be happy to help out

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is the code available anywhere?

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<DeepB>

nope, because of LGPL, i'm allowed to modify it, but i can't make it public, or i will have to release some sources i'm not allowed to disclose yet

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well, is there any way for us to collaborate then?

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is this c version targeted just at portables or is it general purpose?

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<DeepB>

as stupid as it sounds, and yes i hate the situation

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<DeepB>

kuniklo: i'm making it tailored to the neuros

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i've just done a pretty straightforward port of the old c++ to c

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with the aim of coming up with something that mplayer or xine could use

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DeepB: en passant, you can take a look at sys_main.h, line 340 and UI_MSF_xtra, line 219 and fix the remaining bug in your latest fw, so you can commit a version that compiles to CVS

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does it make more sense to maintain a sort of vanilla c lib and a tailored neuros lib

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or can they be the same?

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don't know much at all about embedded coding

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<DeepB>

nerochiaro: int x_carmode; ///< Car mode auto-shutdown control.

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<DeepB>

what's wrong with that?

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DeepB: when you use it in UI_MSF_xtra you have changed the case to x_CARMODE :)

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<DeepB>

kuniklo: humm.. making it C-ish took me about 5 minutes

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5 minutes?

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<DeepB>

nerochiaro: yeah, i've lowercased both

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it wasn't that hard but it's more than 5 minutes work

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<DeepB>

kuniklo: yeah, more or less, taking out all those object notation, a few tweaks, and it was ready to build

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DeepB: yes, that's what i did too: both lowercase.

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<DeepB>

kuniklo: bad news is that i've started inmediatly on math emulation, and haven't archived it before

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well, i don't want to duplicate work

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DeepB: is it normal that when i plug in the power cord it turns on automatically ?

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but i'd also like to try to move forward on getting mpc support into xine and mplayer

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and on converting mppdec over to libmusepack

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<DeepB>

kuniklo: so now it is useless until i finish the 64 types and operators stuff

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i can just find something else to work on if you think you'll be done relatively soon

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i'd mainly just like to help get musepack devel going a little faster

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<Koron>

has the hang-after-recording bug been fixed?

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Koron: what bug is that ?

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kuniklo: noble effort, indeed

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<Koron>

record...stop recording...it will just sit there for a long time

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<Koron>

like it is adding it to the db and whatnot

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<Koron>

but it pretty much never finishes

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Koron: i get that too, but are you sure it's a bug ?

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<Koron>

yes

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deepb: me? my email is miles@caddr.com

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it's kind of fun to hack on mpc too

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it's been a while since i did any low-level coding

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kuniklo: so you're knowledgeable in how the mpc decoder work ?

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sorta

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in the process of porting it i have a rough idea

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not really a great low-level understanding of the dsp stuff yet though

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kuniklo: i was talking more about the math behind it

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i hate this irc client

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keeps messing me up

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because one of the complains i heard more about mpc is that it badly lack documentation

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neuro - i don't really get the math behind it yet

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as i get more acquainted with it i'll try to take some notes

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good. i was just echoing the things i heard around, though. i'm really completely clueless about the math myself

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kuniklo: what IRC client do you use ?

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yeah. seems like docs are hard to come by

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nobody likes writing docs. :(

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even some doxygen auto-generated stuff would help I think

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not sure about that. but surely nobody likes docs, that's true :)

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i'll try to accumulate some docs as i go

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at a glance the decoder part doesn't look all that tricky

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i'm sure most of the magic is in the encoder

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kuniklo: are you are regular of the mpc irc channel, i suppose

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<Seed>

a regular during the last 3 days

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yeah, just very recently

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haven't really done irc in a long time

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heh, well. it's a good start

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DeepB: still around ?

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<DeepB>

yeah

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<DeepB>

you loaded the fw?

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yep

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seems to work

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anything i should try ?

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<DeepB>

does it work as intended?

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<DeepB>

i mean, the car mode option?

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one sec

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ack! stupidly i didn't actually load it and thought i did. i will do that now.

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don't work

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when i enter the car mode menu i get an error 0x8409

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same stuff that was happening to me when i was trying to add my menus under xtra settings

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<DeepB>

i really need to get my compiler back...

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what happened to it ?

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<DeepB>

i screwed it, both my sources (they differ from CVS) and the compiler itself

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DeepB: shouldn't a reinstall of the compiler fix the problem ?

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<DeepB>

yeah, sure

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it's ten minutes, man, what's the big deal ?

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<DeepB>

the fact that i'm extremely lazy, and that i'm working (almost full time) on a different firmware right now (Linksys WRT54G which requires linux)

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both are in fact very valid excuses :)

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thanks for the pointers guys. gotta get back to work.

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This BitchX's for you"]

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DeepB: you mean it's your job (the paid one i mean)

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<DeepB>

no way, my paid job is much funnier

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so why are you hacking the fw of a wireless router full time if it's not even fun ?

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<DeepB>

i.e. i had to do forensics on a SCO OpenServer this tuesday

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<DeepB>

today it was a Microsoft SBS

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<DeepB>

nerochiaro: because i need to add some VPN solution to it in order to sell them for 50 times the money ;)

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<DeepB>

btw, OpenVPN is an excellent piece of software

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<DeepB>

*bows*

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your job seems much fun than mine by a long shot

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<DeepB>

so, what you do for a living?

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i work for a small consulting firm, they send me around in boring places like banks and such to do equally boring CRM stuff in asp.net and the rest of the MS gang

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<DeepB>

btw, was Berlusconi settled innocent or guilty?

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depends on what charge, he has so many on his head

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<DeepB>

the one about corruption

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<DeepB>

i've heard it on the news today, but can't remember

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