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[03:52]	<Yono>	hey
[03:52]	<Yono>	anyone here?
[03:53]	<Yono>	nerochiaro perhaps?
[03:53]	<Yono>	no, he left
[03:53]	<Yono>	how about seed?
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[04:12]	<_Silmaril>	does anyone use Sorune?
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[04:56]	<Nitryl>	hey ppl
[04:57]	<Nitryl>	can someone plz temme wht is scroll wrap
[04:57]	<Nitryl>	????????????????????
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[05:40]	<ivar>	ugg. my neuros is in a sorry state
[05:41]	<iswm>	Yeah mine too. Freakin' backordered.
[05:41]	<ivar>	i'm not desperate and trying to update the firmware..
[05:41]	<ivar>	the various docs make it difficult to know how to fix things..
[05:42]	<ivar>	i'd like to upgrade to the firmware, but for some reason my unit's never recognized as a usb device..
[05:42]	<ivar>	any hints
[05:42]	<ivar>	?
[05:42]	<ivar>	iswm, could be worse.. you could have a very expensive brick
[05:43]	<iswm>	Yeah, but I won't know if it's DOA or not until it's no longer backordered. So I can assume the worst.
[05:44]	<ivar>	hahah.. that's thinking postively
[05:45]	<ivar>	iswm, have youhad a neuros before ?
[05:45]	<iswm>	Yeah, I'm a bit upset. They didn't tell me it was backordered until AFTER I ordered it.
[05:45]	<iswm>	Nope
[05:45]	<ivar>	where'd you buy it from ?
[05:46]	<iswm>	Provantage.com
[05:46]	<ivar>	the service I got from american technpushers was quite good
[05:46]	<ivar>	i don't know anything about provantage
[05:46]	<iswm>	Yeah, the only reason I went with them over neurosaudio or americantechpushers was because provantage offered _awesome_ prices.
[05:47]	<iswm>	But I almost regret it now.
[05:47]	<ivar>	ooo.. I didn't realize they were cheaper
[05:47]	<iswm>	Since it won't be here till after Christmas.
[05:47]	<ivar>	well.. i've had mine for a week but been too busy to load it up
[05:48]	<ivar>	now that I've got a little bit of time I'm fscking around trying to get it to work
[05:48]	<ivar>	totally aggrivating, and upsetting
[05:49]	<iswm>	From what I've heard it's impossible to "brick" a unit. So I'm guessing there's a fix.
[05:49]	<ivar>	i would hope so
[05:49]	<ivar>	but the docs generally suck
[05:50]	<ivar>	like: how do I upgrade firmware... well afaict you have to be recognized as a usb device before you can upgrade
[05:50]	<iswm>	Unfortunately, I haven't been able to mess with one yet, so I can't really give you any practical help.
[05:50]	<ivar>	and for some reason I get no usb love.
[05:51]	<ivar>	well, it's good to rant at someone
[05:52]	<ivar>	maybe one of the lurkers will wake up and fill me in :)
[05:52]	<ncterval>	I've been lurking.
[05:52]	<ivar>	ncterval, any idea how to get the neuros to be recongized as a usb device ?
[05:53]	<ncterval>	Linux?
[05:53]	<ivar>	dual boot.. and neither winxp nor ubuntu linux recognize the device
[05:53]	<ncterval>	Does the Neuros get to the sync screen correctly?
[05:54]	<ivar>	no
[05:54]	<ncterval>	Oh, well that's your problem... What happens when you plug the USB cable into the Neuros?
[05:54]	<ivar>	as soon as I plug in the usb cable the device stops responding
[05:54]	<ncterval>	Have you tried flashing the NAND?
[05:55]	<ivar>	how do you flash ?
[05:55]	<ncterval>	You start the Neuros with either 1+PLAY, 5+PLAY, or 1+5+PLAy, can't remember which. Just try until one works :)
[05:55]	<ncterval>	1 and 5 being the bookmark buttons.
[05:55]	<ivar>	err. I can probably google it.. but the s/n ratio on the forums is too poor
[05:56]	<ncterval>	neurosfaq.com will have the exact combination, I can check it for you real quick.
[05:57]	<ncterval>	Alright, unplug the power cable and have the Neuros off. Then press 1+5+PLAY
[05:58]	<ncterval>	It should boot into a screen with something like HDD and NAND as options, choose NAND. Then format NAND, and confirm. Then restart it.
[05:58]	<ivar>	cool
[05:59]	<ivar>	process will take several minutes.
[05:59]	<ivar>	heh
[05:59]	<ivar>	or not..
[05:59]	<ncterval>	Yah, it lies.
[05:59]	<ivar>	how do you turn it off ?
[05:59]	<ncterval>	Try holding play, or UP+PLAY.
[06:00]	<ivar>	yay
[06:00]	<ivar>	should I do that often ?
[06:00]	<ncterval>	It worked?
[06:01]	<ncterval>	Flashing the NAND is like penicillin for the Neuros, if it used to do something and no longer does, that seems to fix it.
[06:01]	<ivar>	cool.. too bad it wipes the disk
[06:01]	<ncterval>	Shoudln't have touched the HDD.
[06:01]	<ivar>	or not
[06:02]	<ivar>	yeah.. it said it was going to wipe the disk
[06:02]	<ncterval>	Did it?
[06:02]	<ivar>	no, just checked and it didnt
[06:02]	<ivar>	took a while to reboot though
[06:02]	<ncterval>	Yah, it has to rebuild the RAM you just wiped.
[06:03]	<ivar>	now, to avoid getting into this mess again, is there a proper sequence for mounting the neuros as a USB device ?
[06:03]	<ncterval>	Because it had been corrupted, which was causing you problems.
[06:03]	<ncterval>	I don't this was caused by anything you did. Did you get it to connect now?
[06:03]	<ivar>	cool.. so flash the NAND resets the RAM... gotcha
[06:04]	<ivar>	well. I'm in linux now, and have no idea where a mounted usb drive would show up.. lemme check ;)
[06:05]	<ncterval>	Yah, I personally haven't been able to get any FAT devices to mount on my Linux setup. Which is why I'm lurking.
[06:05]	<ivar>	it works
[06:05]	<ivar>	/media/sda1
[06:05]	<ivar>	sweet..
[06:05]	<ncterval>	Excellent
[06:05]	<ivar>	thank you SO much
[06:05]	<iswm>	ivar, dmesg | grep usb
[06:05]	<ivar>	ncterval, i really appreciate it
[06:05]	<iswm>	ivar, Quick little tip if you didn't know about it
[06:06]	<ncterval>	Sure
[06:06]	<ivar>	iswm, i didn't realize dmesg changed..
[06:06]	<ivar>	i thought it was only the kernel boot sequence ?
[06:06]	<ivar>	is outgeeked by the #neuros crowd...
[06:06]	<iswm>	Nah, it should spit out more information when it finds a usb device or such.
[06:07]	<ivar>	iswm, any chance you want to help debug my xf86config ?
[06:07]	<ivar>	(joke)
[06:08]	<ivar>	ok, here's a question.. now that I've mounted the neuros, it's got the synchronization animation going..
[06:08]	<ivar>	how do I terminate that ? unmount the drive ?
[06:08]	<ncterval>	Unless it says 'Do not unconnect', you can just unplug it.
[06:08]	<ncterval>	The animation means it's idle, unless it says that.
[06:08]	<ncterval>	If it does say that, make sure it's unmounted.
[06:09]	<ivar>	yeah, it's saying 'do not disconnect'
[06:10]	<ncterval>	Is it unmounted? The only other thing I could think of would be the usb-storage module abusing it.
[06:11]	<ncterval>	You can rmmod that if you don't have any other USB drives attached.
[06:11]	<ivar>	that's cool.. no it just took a few seconds after umounting
[06:12]	<ivar>	wow.. this is very cool
[06:12]	<ivar>	i had such high hopes for this.. now I'm back on the path of neuros awesomeness ;)
[06:13]	<ncterval>	Indeed. You said you were trying to update the firmware, did you succesfully?
[06:13]	<ivar>	not yet... I'm not sure which version to use.. apparently garbage is the best ?
[06:14]	<ncterval>	Haven't been brave enough to try the unnoficial ones. The official one is pretty sweet, after all.
[06:16]	<ivar>	are you familiar with myfi ?
[06:17]	<ivar>	there's a lot of conflicting information about how to boost the signal strength
[06:18]	<ncterval>	I've seen a lot of forum posts from people who've gotten their range up to something like 100 feet, but I haven't tried it.
[06:18]	<ivar>	yeah.. if I could broadcast 50ft it would be golden
[06:19]	<ivar>	i was wondering if unofficial firmware cna have an effect on broadcast range ...
[06:20]	<ncterval>	Not as far as I know, but I haven;t really been following it. I seem to remember DI saying they couldn't increase range with their firmware.
[06:20]	<ncterval>	The newer versions have MyFi Gain though, which lets you set the volume of the broadcast, I believe. Which makes it easier to hear wit ha weak signal.
[06:23]	<ivar>	ok, so that's something I might have to look into
[06:24]	<ivar>	maybe I'll experiement with alternative firmware later..
[06:26]	<ivar>	this is great.. my laptop's got a 30gb drive with two 15gb partitions between ubuntu and winXp.. my neuros has 80gb
[06:27]	<ivar>	woot
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[06:27]	<ivar>	oops
[06:27]	<ivar>	i , um, plugged in the power while it was synchronizing
[06:28]	<ivar>	i take it from the sudden stopping of everything that it was a bad idea.
[06:29]	<ncterval>	Wouldn't think that would matter.
[06:29]	<ncterval>	I applaud you for getting hte 80GB, though.
[06:30]	<ivar>	my intention was that this was my external HD
[06:32]	<ncterval>	I'm starting to regret getting a 20GB, running out of music space.
[06:32]	<ncterval>	Oooh, but my sync just finished.
[06:32]	<iswm>	I was going to get a 60gig, but they we're sold out. Bleh, so I had to settle for the 40GB/128MB bundle.
[06:33]	<ivar>	i don't actually own a computer.. this laptop is for work.. so it's important for me to have some place where I can dump my nonwork related stuff..
[06:33]	<ncterval>	No computer, but money for an 80GB Neuros, eh?
[06:34]	<ivar>	this work laptop will see me through
[06:34]	<ivar>	i figure it's best to save $ for a computer until it's really necessary
[06:38]	<ncterval>	I've been worried about Linux compatability on laptops, how's Ubuntu working for you?
[06:39]	<ivar>	ubuntu rocks
[06:39]	<ivar>	every 18 months I try out a desktop linux
[06:39]	<ivar>	and although I have a serious desire to see it work, it has never met all my needs
[06:39]	<ivar>	ubuntu is pretty close..
[06:40]	<ncterval>	My only beef with Debian has been the installer, which Ubutnu obviously adresses. The new Sarge one is pretty nice, though.
[06:40]	<ivar>	i used to used debian.. and still do on my server
[06:41]	<ivar>	but ubuntu's rapid release cycle and all the resources behind it are enticing
[06:41]	<ncterval>	Ubuntu is just a fancy Debian, right...
[06:41]	<ivar>	gentoo looks pretty cool too, but as I get older 'ease of use' becomes more of a priority
[06:41]	<ivar>	pretty much.
[06:41]	<ivar>	it's a finely polished debian
[06:41]	<ncterval>	In fact, Garbage was reccomending that I use the Ubuntu repositories with my Debian box. I forgot to look into that.
[06:43]	<ncterval>	The one thing I want to see in an apt based distro is a good hardware center, like Mandrake and SUSE have.
[06:43]	<ncterval>	I wish Novell would fully GPL YaST.
[06:43]	<ivar>	they did ! (i think...)
[06:44]	<ivar>	ubuntu's target platform is a lowend laptop.. land of the crappiest hardware
[06:44]	<ivar>	so if they can get that dialed, everything else will be a piece of cake
[06:44]	<ivar>	whoa.. synchronizing (even over usb2.0) is sllllooow
[06:45]	<ncterval>	Hardware center as in like a centralized GUI for managing partitions, USBm devices, etc.
[06:45]	<ivar>	track 17/760
[06:45]	<ivar>	oh
[06:45]	<ncterval>	How dare you complain! The sync I just finished was 8 hours, on USB 1,1.
[06:45]	<ivar>	usability is a ubuntu focus.. i know the network manager is very sweet
[06:45]	<ncterval>	What's the name of it?
[06:46]	<ivar>	'wireless link monitor' is what I'm thinking of..
[06:46]	<ivar>	err. maybe not.. i don't have my 802 card in right now
[06:47]	<ivar>	but getting hooked up with wireless was easier in ubuntu than XP.
[06:47]	<ivar>	i'm not sure that's saying much, but I was sure appreciative..
[06:48]	<ncterval>	Yes, I'd say networking is easier in modern Linux distros than in Windows.
[06:48]	<ncterval>	Unbelievable... that 8 hour sync didn't actually work. Jesus...
[06:48]	<ivar>	what to do, what to do.. i'm less than 10% of the way through sync.. but I really want to restart X to test a new config
[06:48]	<ivar>	ncterval, ooo.. that hurts
[06:48]	<ncterval>	Again, how dare you complain.
[06:49]	<ivar>	that's not a complaint... that's a quandry
[06:49]	<ivar>	:)
[06:51]	<ncterval>	Which sync manager are you using?
[06:54]	<ivar>	ndbm
[06:54]	<ivar>	nbdm
[06:55]	<ncterval>	Right the first time. Me too
[06:55]	<ncterval>	Having to use it in VMWare, though.
[06:55]	<ivar>	why ?
[06:55]	<ivar>	why vmware that is..
[06:55]	<ncterval>	Can't get FAT drives to mount for whatever reason.
[07:09]	<ivar>	brb.. restarting X (and no, the sync wasn't finished)
[07:10]	<ncterval>	S'aight, I'm going to bed. 1:08 AM here...
[07:11]	<iswm>	ivar, you might want to look into screen
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[07:11]	<iswm>	Er, too late.
[07:11]	<ncterval>	Heh
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[07:17]	<ivar>	woot ! things are working and looking up !
[07:18]	<iswm>	ivar, you might want to look into screen
[07:19]	<iswm>	ivar, so you can restart X and whatnot without having to worry about killing a sync.
[07:19]	<iswm>	Hmm, actually that may not work.
[07:20]	<ivar>	iswm, i use screen regularly.. :)
[07:20]	<ivar>	i asked a friend about restarting X without killing the apps, and he mentioned it was possible, but was nasty and involved using a proxy
[07:22]	<iswm>	Yeah, it dawned on me that the sync manager probably isn't text or curses based right after I mentioned it.
[07:23]	<ivar>	i wonder if the python one is ...
[07:27]	<ivar>	neat.. I dropped the .jar file onto the neuros and created a start shortcut that links to the mounted media..
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[08:00]	<ivar>	i'm off.. thanks for the pointers
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[14:04]	<edbgon>	hallo all
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[16:25]	<JoshMalone>	yay - USB1.1 sync works in Garbage's latest release
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[20:04]	<edbgon>	hello there
[20:05]	<mode/#neuros>	by ChanServ
[20:32]	<@edbgon>	just noticed hardware schematics on open.neurosaudio.com
[20:33]	<@edbgon>	nice to look at
[20:48]	<JoshMalone>	ooo - schematics; I'll have to check it out :)
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[22:13]	<Yon1>	hello all
[22:14]	<Seed>	!peer
[22:14]	<Yono>	!peer
[22:14]	<@edbgon>	hi
[22:14]	<@edbgon>	!peer
[22:14]	<@edbgon>	heh
[22:15]	<Yono>	edbgon hogs all the operator glory
[22:15]	<mode/#neuros>	by ChanServ
[22:15]	<@Yono>	yay
[22:15]	<@edbgon>	haha
[22:15]	<@Yono>	!peer
[22:15]	<@Yono>	hmm what is it supposed to do?
[22:15]	<@edbgon>	i think it was a mistake
[22:15]	<@edbgon>	i just had to type it
[22:15]	<@edbgon>	its like pushing the big red button
[22:17]	<@Yono>	lol
[22:17]	<@Yono>	shinyy
[22:17]	<K-Man666>	what does the !peer command do ?
[22:18]	<@edbgon>	nothing as far as i know
[22:18]	<@edbgon>	unless theres a bot in here reacting to something
[22:19]	<@Yono>	hmm
[22:19]	<@Yono>	we should set up a greet bot
[22:19]	<@Yono>	yes!
[22:19]	<@edbgon>	haha
[22:19]	<@Yono>	Seed is the greet bot for #MPC
[22:19]	<GarBage>	!pee
[22:19]	<@Yono>	he pretends to be human, but I know better
[22:19]	<GarBage>	uhh.. sorry for sprinkling
[22:20]	<@Yono>	lol
[22:20]	<@Yono>	sup GarBage?
[22:20]	<K-Man666>	I like garbage's one better ;-)
[22:20]	<@edbgon>	wow... theres... people... here
[22:21]	<GarBage>	trying to get an embedded openvpn up and working, it segfaults all the time, that's it
[22:21]	<@edbgon>	bummer
[22:21]	<@Yono>	cool, I'm trying to figure out the ? operator
[22:21]	<@Yono>	stupid boolean
[22:23]	<GarBage>	abbreviated ifs?
[22:23]	<@Yono>	yep
[22:24]	<GarBage>	they're pretty easy to understand, (condition) ? action if true : action if false;
[22:27]	<@Yono>	hey GarBage, what's up with u messing with the Scrollwrap and Car Mode menu order?
[22:28]	<@Yono>	just kind of curious, it didn't seem like something worth messing with
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[22:28]	<@edbgon>	there's always a greater mission behind his madness
[22:32]	<GarBage>	hrm... eeproms are soo slow...
[22:32]	<GarBage>	i bet they are retarded
[22:42]	<LoRez>	GarBage: car mode does odd things sometimes. occasionally on power up it'll just go into charge mode, then when you remove the power, it starts playing. when it does this, it loses its place in what it was playing when last turned off.
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[22:48]	<GarBage>	LoRez: yeah, i guess i have to check its sleep state
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[22:57]	<GarBage>	LoRez: have you fixed the error 0x04whatever issues?
[22:57]	<LoRez>	nope
[22:58]	<GarBage>	so you're getting it *every* time you get onto that menu, right?
[22:59]	<GarBage>	i hate this... Floating point exception
[22:59]	<GarBage>	openvpn keeps crashing
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[23:55]	<LoRez>	yeah, every time
[23:56]	<LoRez>	what do the numbers instead of the battery represent?