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Well, what do you use to tweak your own firmware? I'd like to get into doing that... After all, I am replacing some of the LED's in the unit, and putting some where they took them out under the preset buttons.. ;)

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Small surface mount LED's..

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The display is changable, but it won't be easy.

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humm.. the leds are under the display i think

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Tecchie: neuros-firmware.sourceforge.net

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Yes, you have to De-Solder them to get the display out first, and then work with it a little, I havn't pulled it yet, but I will when I buy another unit so I won't have any down time in case I break somthing.. ;)

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humm... xenon alike blueish leds would be soo cool ;)

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Yes, I was thinking that for the display, and some White ones to make the buttons look brighter.

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Did you see my post in the Neuros Forums about Batteries?

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nope, i haven't

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I found one by Samsung that has 2,400mAh, versus the 2,000 mAh that comes with it.. not sure how much longer battery you would get, but I am sure it's worth a few extra $$..

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hold on, I'll get the link.

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I've been WAY overly excited since I got my email about the schmetacis being released, I was waiting to really get into anything until I was able to get somthing like that.. Now I might start coding or looking for ways to tweak it.. :P

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excellent

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OH, and the battery this link goes to is the EXACT SAME ONE that's used in the Neuros HD Packs.

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www.samsungsdi.co.kr

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Site might be a tad slow though.

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It's in english.

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if you manage to add a fully working SD/IO slot to the small backpack, i'll lick your ass, and you can quote that

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LOL

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LOL @ GarBage

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Dude, if I did that, then I would feel on top of the world, but you would need to code the firmware to look at it as a third accessable device..

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On the other hand, if you are good with REALLY MICRO sized soldering, the Flash chip is a standard SanDisk Compact Flash chip.. I looked it up, had my neuros apart quite a few times since I got it about two months ago.. :P

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Also, you can use ANY OTHER LAPTOP DRIVE IN IT.... The unit will see it (so far only tested with Fat32) I don't have a IDE to Laptop adaptor so I can't re-partition a LT drive.. But working on that.

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yeah, i've seen it, i messed with the neuros guts some time ago, and replaced the hdd with a bigger one

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I took a HD 4.3GB from an old laptop that has WinME I installed, then LT died, stuck it in place of my 80GB and the neuros saw it perfectly.. :P

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What's the biggest LT drive out?

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And the Toshiba drive that's in mine uses somthing like 0.0009Watts/GB or somthing like that.. so it uses less than a watt when powered up and accesing.

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i think there are up to 100Gb LT drives

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but i would conform with a 60Gb 1.8" unit

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Man, I wish they would push it to like 200GB at least, I don't care if it's blazingly fast as long as it's got GREAT power ratings..

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4,200RPM is great, but the neuros don't need anything over like 3,200.

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too bad here on Spain we don't have much choice

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i had to stick a greedy hdd on it, and now my battery time sucks

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i get 6 hours on random playing on a 60Gb drive, no myfi

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6 hours? What mAh is your battery? I get a little over four and mine is new!. Maybe it's my 80GB.. not sure..

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And that's playing alot of higher-bitraate MP3's, and about medium to High quality OGG's.

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it used to play 8 hours with the older drive

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mAh? can't remember, it packs the stock one

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Vorbis sucks more juice, that's a fact

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hmm.. Must be the decoding, cause the DSP is pretty fast for such a simple little device..

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I looked up chip numbers about a week ago, I was bored, so I tore it apart, and started my hunt.. :P

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all right, openvpn is stable, statically linked, built from latest sources, working, and on a huge 1,5Mb executable

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What are you talking about GarBage?

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and i have a 2Mb flash chip....

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nah, i was busy lately trying to put this thing to work

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it works now, it's 2:34am here

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and i'm off to bed

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see ya

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What were you referring to?

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<Yono>

hey BrianHV

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hiya

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just scoping out the firmware source and saw the reference to this channel, so I thought I'd come lurk. ;)

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<Yono>

cool

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<Yono>

anything u plan to do with it?

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<Yono>

our main dev is currently sleeping, so not much u'll get from us

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well, I don't have a neuros yet, and I don't think I have a compiler capable of targeting it, so probably not anytime soon...

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<Yono>

bummer

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at this point it's more of an investigation into how easy it would be to do stuff if I wanted to

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<Yono>

Would upcoming FLAC and MPC support change your mind?

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btw, are there any non-proprietary (read: free) compilers that target the neuros?

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well, I asked for the neuros for xmas on the promise of impending flac support

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<Yono>

we just dl the compiler and use a makefile

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<Yono>

no dealing with the compiler itself

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<Yono>

and I *think* its working on linux now

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oh, is there a binary free-beer compiler?

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<Yono>

no

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<Yono>

but 90 day trial till GCC target works

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aah, cool

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<Yono>

anyone planning to do anything with the HW schematics?

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<iswm>

May try and build one myself at school.

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<Yono>

lol

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has there been any serious attempt at a gcc backend?

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<Yono>

we brought it to the attention of the CTO

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well i saw the project on sf (with empty cvs heheh), and a note from someone there who said it would be too expensive to contract to cygnus

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<Yono>

oh, ok

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I got the Schematics, and I already requested from one of the hardware engineers about the surface mount LED's, as I wanted to change the color, don't care for the orange much, and was going to put the LED's back in under the Preset buttons (1 - 5) since there are solder points for them, but no LED's... And changing the display ones is going to be a challenge, but was thinking on some shade of blue for the display, but WHITE

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does the firmware support gapless yet?

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ooooh

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gets a perverse idea to use a neuros as a tuner

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umm.. Neuros has a tuner in it already dude.

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goes to bed, will return around 4pm PST (5pm MST (MT) )

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<unknown_lamer>

Tecchie: it has an FM tuner ...

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<unknown_lamer>

Tecchie: But not a music tuner

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hello?

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anyone here know what the status is regarding musepack support?

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What do you mean Music Tuner?

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woohoo - DI, prepare to be slashdotted :)

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damn slashdot's posting time limit

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<ivel|Work>

time limit?

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2 minutes between postings

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<unknown_lamer>

Oo, hardware specs!

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yupperz :)

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<unknown_lamer>

DI has a lot of bandwidth (still holding up and it's article #3 on the slashdot frontpage)

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not bad :)

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all I can say about all the Neuros info releases is ... Wow

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I am really glad I bought one now

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too bad I missed out on the 1.1 to 2.0 upgrade

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:(

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<LoRez>

so, the ram could be upgraded to 256k?

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no.. the usb 1.1 to 2.0 interface upgrade

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btw.. can I use a 1.1 model cpu with a 2.0 backpack?

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or does the whole thing need to be replaced

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<LoRez>

that was just a general question. from the schematics it looks like they might've wired the board to handle 256k of SRAM but only populated it with 128k

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<@edbgon>

hmm, neuros got slashdotted

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dunno about backpack compatibility....I think you can do it, though

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Since they sell USB2.0 backbacks as upgrades for us 1.1 owners

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JoshMalone: would be nice

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JoshMalone: I own a 1.1

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where are the upgrades listed?

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Tenkawa: me, too

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<LoRez>

looks like they intended the antenna port to be connected as well

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edbgon: seems to be ok to me

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I do have to say I havent seen many sites survive slashdot though

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yeah - I think DI was ready for it, since they knew they'd get 'dotted

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<LoRez>

open.neurosaudio.com seems fine to me

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LoRez: yeah, I think they did; but the FCC said 'Bad dog - no license'

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<LoRez>

maybe if they'd used a different connector?

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LoRez: its the transmission power argument I think

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You can't get part-15 type acceptance if you're able to exceed the output limits for an "intentional radiator"

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<LoRez>

yeah, probably pretty close to the same as on access points

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<Seed>

Tenkawa: I know many sites who did

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<@edbgon>

seems to be good comments so far

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<Seed>

Tenkawa: and even my own private home connection did.. you just need to know how to load-balance and use software properly

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Access points are a bit different since they run in the 2.4GHx ISM band which is license-free

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ah hhaaa.. found upgrades

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Seed: there is such a thing as network congestion limitations

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<@edbgon>

some complaints of flakyness

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I dont care how good "software" you think you run.. theres only so much electrical/network bandwidth in a connection

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<Seed>

Tenkawa: sure.. but there are serious slashdotting cases and mild ones too.. not every story urges a huge amount of visitors to browse the links in it

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anything "can" be saturated

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exactly

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thats my thought

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this is more of a fringe story

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I shouldve qualified my statement with popular articles

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my bad

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<Seed>

and with all due respect, Xiph's handled much more traffic than the Neuros one today, I can assure you of that

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<Seed>

*Xiph's site

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ok I'm really confused which upgrade i need to buy

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Tenkawa: I think you can get away with just the USB2.0 backpack (and not upgrading the "brain")

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nod

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<@edbgon>

yes, the new brain is just a black one with a little better fm reception

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just noticed that

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<LoRez>

Tenkawa: when in doubt, call 'em

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only thing that looks diff is the myfi cap

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ability

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ok good

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going to be a bummer losing this drive but I guess its a 20 gig laptop drive I can use in something else

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heh

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<@edbgon>

leave the music on it and make a mini mp3 server

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<@edbgon>

;)

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very good idea

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I can hook it up to my mini-itx box

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:)

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mmm...miniITX goodness :)

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ouch.. only 20$ less than what I paid for the whole 1.1 unit :(

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I wonder if I can still get 40$ for sending an old one in

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Ten: I know - that's what's keeping me from upgrading, too

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course, I only paid $200 for my HD only unit (got it on fire-sale)

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I paid 189

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hrmm....

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could I use this and transfer all the parts?

fdoh no

thats the flash one

<@edbgon>

i won one of the first mini itx boards from VIA :)

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<@edbgon>

havent used it yet :(

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edbgon: I picked up a v10000 just for curiosity

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edbgon: which one you get?

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I'm trying to decide on miniITX or Soekris board for my home MP# player

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<@edbgon>

cant remember the model number, its a 500mhz board :)

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ahh

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oh well. I can live with 1.1

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<@edbgon>

im gonna slap gentoo on it with a notebook hdd and make an mp3 server

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if I get desperate enough I can just attach it straight ide and transfer stuff

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heheheheh

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<@edbgon>

once i move back to the states that is

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heh

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I hope the guys working on flac get it working

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<@edbgon>

yeah definitely

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ogg is nice but I definitely hear better thjings about flac

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one thing _I'd_ like to still see is double byte fonts

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heck - Im still using MP3; on a portable, it sounds fine tome

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JoshMalone: size

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<@edbgon>

i use whatever format its in when i download it

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<@edbgon>

and if i rip from cd, its high quality ogg

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yeah - but I still have 5GB free on my unit

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heheheh

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well if I hadnt bought a external usb hard drive I'd still be using my neuros to backup data too

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now that I dont need to store debian iso's on it thats goin to free up quite a bit

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I store just a bit of data on my Neuros (putty, NDBM, etc.)

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putty!!!

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the one windows app you cant be without

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yeah - I now have a flash drive for putty, too

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heheh

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my USB flash drive "utility belt": putty, tera-term pro, firefox, F-prot, and my subversion/CVS repository

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and the Linux bootable business card in my wallet :)

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<@edbgon>

hehe

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heheh - good nick

heh

humm... is the NA site slashdotted yet?

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<Seed>

Hi GarBage

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hi there

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<Seed>

slashdotted, yes.. and up.. and it's nice

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<Seed>

considering it runs on Windows

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quite impressive

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<ivel|Work>

Tenkawa: you around?

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<ivel|Work>

Grey Brain on USB 2 backpack works fine. i bought one off from ebay and use it all the time.

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ya

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thanks :)

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ick - Windows sites :(

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<unknown_lamer>

Yes - Close to the Edge / Amon Amarth - The Fate of Norns

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hi

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hi people

GarBage: when you come around, as long as i'm in the channel please give me a shout.

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thanks

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<Seed>

hi nerochiaro

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hey seed

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<Seed>

he puts the nero back in chiaro

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so you finally you got a joke even for me, eh ?

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like it, btw

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<Seed>

well, we can't laugh at Ahead anymore

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<Seed>

they are now called Nero

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<Seed>

so I had to direct my joke at you instead

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well, it was good. i was beginning to get annoyed at the fact you had jokes only for Yono

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heheh

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Seed: is that true that ahead changed name ?

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seed ?

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<Seed>

yes

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<Seed>

it happened yesterday, I think

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<Seed>

bloated piece of Windows shit

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<Seed>

*cough*.. I'll be polite from now on ;)

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well, you're right about the bloated part. but for the rest, what's wrong with it ?

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<Seed>

the rest of what?

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the rest of the program (assuming you were referring to Nero with your "bloated piece of windows shite" comment)

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<Seed>

the whole suite is bloated, yes.. but the actual part that burns to CDs is buggy and fails with weird errors many times.. to many

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really ? never had a problem with it. but i'm hardly an heavy cd burner, so my opinion doesn't really count

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and what are you suggesting as your favorite alternative then ?

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<Seed>

I really didn't look for one

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<Seed>

I barely burn, just like you

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cdrecord (linux)

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But Nero does rule, for windows

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JoshMalone: cdrecord is linux only ?

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<Seed>

Nero are the AAC mobsters

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seed: isn't that apple ?

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<Seed>

hmm. damn, I'm tired

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<Seed>

and you're right

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<Seed>

they are more than Nero

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<Seed>

but Nero assimilate programmers

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nerochiaro: well, it's for unix (other unicies supported, too)

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seed: european ones, i think. they're germany based no ?

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<Seed>

yes

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JoshMalone: but i guess it won't work in cygwin

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<Seed>

nerochiaro: they have half the administrators of hydrogenaudio :)

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<Seed>

and still, AAC loses badly in that forum's polls :)

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nerochiaro: hmmm...never thought to try it

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nerochiaro: was the "jump to" feature what you were looking for?

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Seed: mmh, i won't run around screaming "conspiracy", though

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<Seed>

nerochiaro: hmm. no.. but even one of them admitted the site is quite biased

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gernika: beg your pardon ?

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JoshMalone: did you create that dialogue yesterday?

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seed: nonsense, it's a public forum, how can that be biased ?

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nerochiaro: On the channel pages there is now a form that you just type the date you want to go to to start browsing

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what dialogue?

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<Seed>

nerochiaro: ouch, nonsense? :)

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JoshMalone: www.loglibrary.com

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<Seed>

nerochiaro: surely you're aware of the many ways a forum's admin can plug certain products.. or move certain news items to the top of the news section.. not to mention that they added the video section (totally unecessary, IMO) just when Nero announced their own video-related product

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<Seed>

nerochiaro: how convenient :)

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gernika: ah, that. yes, it's quite like i needed. it's already good as it is, but having also a combo with the dates of the last, say, six days would make me scream with joy (or something thereabouts)

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dunno what a dialogue is...I'm confused

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gernika: i'm lazy, you know

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JoshMalone: www.loglibrary.com

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Seed: that thing of the video section is fishy indeed. (it's a lot i'm not going there, so i have missed out a lot of the politics behind the scenes)

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JoshMalone: I guess it was someone else :)

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Oh - okay; no, I didn't do it (I'm too stoopid :) )

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heheh

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gernika: ah, another thing, about the dialogues. not sure if the feature is indeed useful, but still, i am instead sure that having both title and description is redundantly redundant

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nerochiaro: I agree with you there.

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gernika: good. and do you agree also on the combo box with a week's worth of precompiled dates ?

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Nerochiaro: yeah, I could do that or I could just use some javascript datepicker and show a whole month...

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gernika: both would be cool for me, just if you go JS ensure compatibility.

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gernika: oh, and another thing too. it seems to me you set the preferences cookie as a session cookie. not the wisest choice if you ask me

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gernika: at least, since it goes away everytime i close the browser i suppose it's a session cookie

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Yes. It goes away every time you close the browser.

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is that intended ?

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It is a compromise: do I make you log in? or do I use sessions.

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I hate logging in, creating accounts, etc... and I don't frequently close my browser, so I chose sessions.

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login might not be all that bad, as long as it's optional

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my browser stays closed most of the time, instead :)

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nerochiaro: logins are coming. I could make preferences for logged in users permanent quite easily.