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jamessan_: are you just building the CVS or have you customized it somehow already ?

<jamessan_>

just building CVS

Hey GarBage?

Got a question for you.

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shoot, then

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<jamessan_>

interested in playing around with some of the changes that have already been made. might start poking around with the source if I get some spare time

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Why is it when you plug in the charging cable the unit comes on with the charging screen when using the USB 2.0 HD pack, BUT not the regular Battery Pack?

seen that happen too, so i second the question

And, I can't get the USB 1.1 connector to do anything, and the Backpack doesn't show up (HD one) in windows when the Neuros is on the pack.

Tecchie1: humm.. lemme check

ok

getting food brb.. :P

hummm... mine wakes up fully on both backpacks, no charging animation at all

Mine doesn't wakt up to anything when I have the regular pack on..

Just stays off.

Also.... umm..

mine sometimes does the charging screen, and sometimes come on fully. i have seen both happen.

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when I have the PLAYER on the HD pack (80GB) and plug in the USB 2.0 cable, the unit powers on, but I get nothing in windows as far as it normally seeing the drive.

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i am talking about the USB2 backpack

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Everything worked before like it should have before I flashed to that recent firmware.. :P

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Well, ONLY the charging screen is supposed to come on when you have the keys locked, if it's not locked, then the unit will fully power up.

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GarBage: I just recompiled latest CVS, then checked again for that carmode bug. can't seem to repro it now, so maybe it's really gone with the default value fix.

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And Yes, I did do a NAND format... I even wiped my 80GB pack cause I needed to clear it, getting full of junk and fragmented sectors (my own fault) so I used the unit to format it, since the HD backpack doesn't fully support the INT 13h or whatever it is that's needed to partition and format.

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i can't test the backpack usb right now (no cable), but the brain's one wfm

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hmm..

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You have the USB 1.1 cable, right?

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yeah, and it works

and i usually sync the hdd with no brain, as it is considerably faster

Why is it when I have my HD pack on and use the USB 1.1 cable, I can't access the Neuros?

It just makes it power up.

badly need sleep. five minutes and i'll be gone

yeah, me too.. I also use mine to transport Data..

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Tecchie1: restore defaults, and see it that helps

ok, goodnight everyone

Doesn't even show up in the device manager...

Restored defaults, unplugging USB cable and re plugging.

gnite, nero

neuros-firmware.sourceforge.net

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v 2.26-os.16.0137 is what I am running in it right now.

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I have the Neuros II 128MB player with 80GB pack.

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humm... 2.26-os.17.0137 is the latest one, it seems to have helped people with USB issues and get it working back again

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Okay.. well the latest when I checked last (earlier last week I think) was the newest..

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read the USB topic

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Yeah, I plug in the regular backpack, and I can't even access my Neuros Flash drive.. hmm..

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ok

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umm.. I go to properties on my neuros when put on the battery pack, and it gives me a shorter version number, what's up with that?

it's....

2.26.os.16

lol

What's the 0137 for? the HD?

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the .0137 is added on usb 2.0 backpacks

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oohhh...

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Oh yeah, one more thing you might know.. Why is it that it takes the Neuros a long time to read the database files when they're not that big to read? The little dick icon sits there and blinks for a goot 20 seconds or more.

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yeah, it has to read the databases, and put them on cache

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usually it has to do that on every swap|rebuild

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and the nand memory is slow when it comes to writing

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Well, I was thinking on using a high speed USB memory stick from Sandisk, since the CHIPS are physically the same (I don't care if it shortens battery life) But do you think that if I put a faster and higher capacity flash chip in there, it would speed things up a bit? or is the serial interface or whatever for the installed chip the bottleneck?

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(btw, I got specs on that chip, it's a regular flash chip... :P )

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humm.. actually it uses 256 bytes transfer cycles

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so it is indeed slow

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a faster chip could help, but i don't think it will be a helluva performance boost

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So, no way to speed it up? Change a chip out or what-not? I don't mind doing that kind of work.. I am already going to mod this palyer, it's my project one..

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I'm gonna put white LED's under the buttons, and the preset buttons since none exist under there.

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Any readon why the firmware is so large and why the unit can't just use a CMOS type chip, or flash to keep the firmware loaded? Or why it'snot compressed? lol Too many questions, I know, but don't get an opportunity to pick someones brain that often.. heh

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i'm not an expert on electronics, so don't take my words as a real advice

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Yes, I know, I Was just asking your opinion... guy to guy... I'm not gonna hold anyone responsible for my stupidity, if I did it and I broke it, it's my own stupid fault.... haha

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BTW, what's a "leafnode" ?

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humm

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And if you didn't already know, most cars cigarette lighter sockets still produce power as they are hooked into the fuse block which is hooked directly to the battery, so how would car mode really work?

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the latest node in a graph who does not have child nodes

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And the node would be? lol

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Little new to the terminology, sorry.. I know my computer stuff, I'm a hardware guy, but software (programming anyways) is a bit over my head.. :P

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Tecchie1: yes, i'm aware of that car issue, but can't do a thing about that

humm

a node is a node...

say on your computer

you have several drives

LOL @ GarBage *updating firmware, please plug in power cable* LOL on a full charge no less.. That's funny... Redundancy though, it's a must.

Yeah?

each one of them is a node

Gotcha..

and there are folders on that drive

nodes too

Weird, but okay..?

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and files on folders, those are leaf nodes

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every node has 1 parent node, and 0 or more child nodes

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got it?

Yep.. thanks..

umm.. do you know of an error 0x0849?

you tried to enter car mode setting?

LOL

yep.

That's a bug I take it, not fully worked out?

reset your defaults, and see if that helps

it is a known bug, fixed on CVS

read the link i gave you before

Do I need to power off and back on again after restoring defaults?

i don't think so

For anyone who has a second to spare: The TI compiler seems to be an entire development suite ...is just the compiler available?! ( I don't have enough space on my notebook!!!)

Got a link to the CVS?

You don't have 300+MB free?

it claims it needs 800+

neuros-firmware.sourceforge.net

Burn it to a CD.. Might need space for Swap File.

GarBage, the restore Defaults did the trick.. hmm.. Also, the car mode when it's "off" that means it poweres the unit off when no power, correct?

GreatDay: it takes 546 MB here

well I want to keep a little bit available (work computer ,.not mine) but I guess I'll just have to strip away - thanks anyhow!

Tecchie1: nope, exactly the opposite

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So, when I leave the option off, the car mode is technically "disabled" ?

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that is correct

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Thanks... Hey, might I make a suggestion or two?

<unknown_lamer>

GarBage: any reason for killing all the animations in your last firmware update?

i'll appreciate it if you put in on the wiki also

unknown_lamer: i hate badly drawn, dancing icons?

Where would I post exactly, I havn't been to the site in awhile. But I Am registered..

<unknown_lamer>

GarBage: K. That's a good reason :)

<Yono>

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Badly drawn, I second that.

<unknown_lamer>

I'd offer to draw new ones but they would suck even more :)

err.. suck memory, or suck literally?

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GarBage: Would there be any way to code a "transfer rate" like analyser piece into the unit when you have the head unit on, say, the USB 2.0 HD pack? Or is that nearly impossible.. Also, I wouldn't mind if the firmware was huge (needing to take up NAND space or HD space)

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<unknown_lamer>

GarBage: in terms of quality

unknown_lamer: got it the first time ;)

<unknown_lamer>

GarBage: any reason for using 7zip instead of bzip2?

Tecchie1: i even though of displaying file names on the wire ;)

oh yeah??? ::P

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unknown_lamer: compression ratio

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<unknown_lamer>

GarBage: is it really better? I have found bzip2 --best to be amazing.

unknown_lamer: 1,64Mb original woid.hex

488Kb Bzip2

<unknown_lamer>

with --best ?

357Kb 7Zip

<unknown_lamer>

Wow.

<unknown_lamer>

That's ... not right,.

It's just a bunch of numbers in a huge text file, compression takes out similar bytes, puts a headder into the compressed file which tells it what it took out and where.. it's pretty simple actually.

<unknown_lamer>

Tecchie1: shut up

<unknown_lamer>

I was referring to how 7zip beat bzip2.

-rw-rw---- 1 pgrande disk 366550 2004-12-11 00:57 woid-2.26-os-17.7z

-rw-rw---- 1 pgrande disk 1721123 2004-12-17 23:26 woid.hex

-rw-rw---- 1 pgrande disk 500079 2004-12-18 02:43 woid.hex.bz2

<unknown_lamer>

And you just described RLE which sucks.

<unknown_lamer>

Well, not so much RLE

<unknown_lamer>

because my brain just farted

<unknown_lamer>

I meant a simple code book.

unknown_lamer: using bzip2 --best already

<unknown_lamer>

Which falls on its ass when you have non-repetetive data which is the usual.

<unknown_lamer>

GarBage: Just making sure.

<unknown_lamer>

7zip looks neat.

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yeah, it uses LZMA

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it works great (NSIS installers, and the ones used by the Mozilla guys), and it is LGPL

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unknown_lamer: There was no need for that, I was making a point why one is better than the other, and even on specific files, so no need for the rudeness, it's just how much time the coder(s) put into refining their compression algorithims..

<unknown_lamer>

Tecchie1: There are technical limits to how much compression you can get.

<unknown_lamer>

Tecchie1: bzip2 is one of the best block compressors.

<unknown_lamer>

It would take a very clever algorithm to beat it.

LZMA beats it, hand down and it is faster from what i've heard

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but it could be a great memory hog

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GarBage, how do I post to a suggestions posts? I forgot where to go, it's been a few weeks since I Was in anything of the Wiki, and umm. I've been working my ass off lately, and I spaced everything... sorry.

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Well, do they make those compressors for windows?

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Tecchie1: www.7-zip.org

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Tecchie1: put in on whatever place you see that fits, don't worry

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GarBage: No, I mean, there is' t a reply button or anything...

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GarBage: Thanks.

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err would it be "attach" ? lol

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Tecchie1: neuros-firmware.sourceforge.net

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ty

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This is a tad frustrating, "how do I post" to that suggestion board???

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What do I click on, etc..?

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There isn't even a Login link....

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<eozl>

dude, it's a wiki, click the edit link/button on the bottom

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Tecchie1: would you mind to read those StartingPoints?

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I did already...... *sigh*

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hummm.. all of them? you're pretty quick!

Yes, and there is nothing regarding loggin into your own account or changing anything about your account..

<eozl>

it's a wiki, it's set up to be freely editable by anyone, so click the edit link on any page and type away

To edit topics, you need to have a TWiki account.