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| [00:12] | <noiz> | hey |
| [00:14] | <GarBage> | hiya, anyone has seen nero lately? |
| [00:16] | <noiz> | did you hear mgao made tetris for the neuros? |
| [00:17] | <GarBage> | yes, i did, ivel should be happy |
| [00:17] | <noiz> | yeah, i hope its released soon |
| [00:17] | <noiz> | like before christmas |
| [00:18] | <noiz> | even though it probably wont :( |
| [00:18] | <SmrtJustin> | me too |
| [00:18] | <noiz> | have you been working on anything new with your branch of the firmware? |
| [00:19] | <GarBage> | not at all |
| [00:19] | <noiz> | well, it should soon have tetris, hopefully... |
| [00:20] | <noiz> | man, i suck at english :'( |
| [00:20] | <GarBage> | isn't tetris copyright protected or something? |
| [00:21] | <noiz> | i think as long as you have a different name its okay |
| [00:21] | <noiz> | i dunno though |
| [00:22] | <GarBage> | www.tetris.com |
| [00:23] | <GarBage> | yes, it is, both the name and the concept |
| [00:24] | <SmrtJustin> | you know how many tetris-like games there are though? |
| [00:24] | <GarBage> | i surely don't |
| [00:24] | <GarBage> | but i guess there should be a few |
| [00:26] | <GarBage> | www.ufoot.org |
| [00:27] | <SmrtJustin> | so just call it: Block Game |
| [00:39] | <Yono> | it already has a name |
| [00:39] | <Yono> | Michael made it and named it Neutris. |
| [00:39] | <Yono> | GarBage: I'm pretty sure that pong and pacman were copyrighted too :) |
| [00:40] | <GarBage> | Yono: i think he should change the name of it already |
| [00:41] | <Yono> | lol, I'm pretty sure it won't take too much tinkering in the player tmplt |
| [00:57] | <Yono> | hey GarBage, are you working on a file explorer? |
| [00:58] | <Yono> | well, I know your not working on anything, but was it on your to-do list at least? |
| [01:10] | <GarBage> | yes, it is |
| [01:11] | <GarBage> | anoyne knows of a good&stable OS X Panther alike theme for Firefox? |
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| [02:08] | <nerochiaro> | hi people, anyone still awake ? |
| [02:08] | <nerochiaro> | GarBage ? |
| [02:11] | <GarBage> | yes, i'm here |
| [02:11] | <GarBage> | got the memo? |
| [02:11] | <nerochiaro> | ah, good. i have seen your message in the wiki |
| [02:11] | <GarBage> | fine |
| [02:12] | <nerochiaro> | but i looked, briefly, at the dragon skin |
| [02:12] | <nerochiaro> | it's not all that customizable |
| [02:12] | <nerochiaro> | i mean, it allows you to change a couple of styles and headings, and that's it |
| [02:13] | <nerochiaro> | (at least for the few minutes i looked at it, i will look better tomorrow) |
| [02:13] | <nerochiaro> | did you look at the pages i added ? |
| [02:13] | <GarBage> | ok, do what you please, i was trying to save you some time and efforts |
| [02:13] | <GarBage> | yes, i did |
| [02:14] | <GarBage> | seems fine to me |
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| [02:14] | <nerochiaro> | i appreciate your suggestion. as i said i will look into it, but i'm not sure if it will be better than the current skin (apart of the IMHO better looks) |
| [02:15] | <GarBage> | humm.. was it called 'guest'? |
| [02:15] | <nerochiaro> | guestweb |
| [02:16] | <nerochiaro> | if you were asking about the name of the modified skin |
| [02:17] | <GarBage> | yes |
| [02:18] | <nerochiaro> | tack ?skin=guestweb to the query string to try it just for the current page |
| [02:19] | <GarBage> | ok, just did it |
| [02:19] | <GarBage> | few things to be mess with, more concise tough |
| [02:20] | <GarBage> | probably better for newcomers |
| [02:20] | <nerochiaro> | the idea is that the people who are not registered to the wiki don't need all the wiki commands clutter. |
| [02:20] | <nerochiaro> | they can't use them unless they register, so what's the point of showing them ? |
| [02:21] | <GarBage> | dunno? encourage them to register themselves? confuse them? |
| [02:21] | <GarBage> | i'm not an expert on accesibility :( |
| [02:22] | <nerochiaro> | me, neither |
| [02:22] | <nerochiaro> | but i tried to go with the KISS principle in doing this |
| [02:22] | <GarBage> | as long as it renders properly on lynx/links/w3m i'm happy |
| [02:23] | <nerochiaro> | not sure, if you can try that, please tell me if it works |
| [02:23] | <nerochiaro> | but it should be fine, if the original was fine too |
| [02:24] | <nerochiaro> | anyway, what's your position on the NeurosI/II.png images ? |
| [02:25] | <GarBage> | dunno, i've made it so that every new topic gets one, it helps on filling that annoying and scaring blank area on them |
| [02:25] | <GarBage> | it's undoable, though |
| [02:26] | <GarBage> | that's why i brought those div styles |
| [02:27] | <nerochiaro> | I currently hide them via CSS |
| [02:27] | <GarBage> | i nuked them on the dragon one, even if they're there |
| [02:27] | <nerochiaro> | that's what i did too |
| [02:28] | <nerochiaro> | but my opionio is that it would be better to purge them completely |
| [02:28] | <nerochiaro> | less useless markup |
| [02:28] | <GarBage> | you rule, dude, do as you please |
| [02:28] | <nerochiaro> | right man, i like this kind of way of doing things :) |
| [02:29] | <nerochiaro> | if in a couple days no one objects, i'll go ahead with the plan |
| [02:29] | <GarBage> | sounds good to me |
| [02:30] | <GarBage> | but i'll keep my custom skin, just for me ;) |
| [02:30] | <GarBage> | don't worry if you change anything as we can always come back |
| [02:31] | <nerochiaro> | indeed. i keep forgetting that. what is your custom skin ? |
| [02:31] | <GarBage> | btw, i've added conditional rendering, and some more nifty things |
| [02:32] | <nerochiaro> | conditional rendering using a plugin or in some other way ? |
| [02:32] | <GarBage> | neuros-firmware.sourceforge.net |
| [02:32] | <nerochiaro> | I had installed the ConditionalPlugin yesterday, then uninstalled it. |
| [02:33] | <nerochiaro> | I can't seem to use it do anything but trivial things if used in templates. Did you manage to use it to do something nifty ? |
| [02:34] | <nerochiaro> | In the pages, it work like a charm, but in templates work differently, and in strange ways. |
| [02:34] | <GarBage> | not at all, just installed it, not even checked permissions |
| [02:34] | <nerochiaro> | Btw, you can do conditional rendering also using the SpreadsheetPlugin |
| [02:35] | <GarBage> | wft? a embbeded spreadsheet? |
| [02:36] | <nerochiaro> | Also checkout another plugin i installed, the macro plugin |
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| [02:36] | <GarBage> | i love those Twiki guys... |
| [02:37] | <nerochiaro> | mmh, i don't very much, but still twiki is useful |
| [02:37] | <nerochiaro> | won't build my site with it, however |
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| [02:38] | <GarBage> | is amazing what you can do with plain perl... no database backend, faste rendering, plugabble modules, skinnable... |
| [02:39] | <nerochiaro> | perl is a quite powerful language indeed, but a lot of times it's a write-only language, at least for me |
| [02:40] | <GarBage> | indeed |
| [02:41] | <Yono> | Gar or nero, I'm currently viewing my page with the dragon skin, is it possible to edit the Links for YoNo box? |
| [02:42] | <nerochiaro> | GarBage: last thing before i go to bed: is this normal for you on the firmware ?: play an album, after a couple songs shut down, turn on and automatically go back playing the last song. after it reaches end of album, plays again from the first song ? |
| [02:42] | <Yono> | yep, that was a bugzilla bug at one point |
| [02:42] | <Yono> | I remember it |
| [02:43] | <nerochiaro> | Yono: still does that for me, with GarBage latest |
| [02:43] | <Yono> | except I believe it spoke of playlists, but it might have applied to albums too |
| [02:43] | <Yono> | also, where did the save changes button go on the edit page? |
| [02:43] | <GarBage> | Yono: * Set DS_QUICKLINKS = <ul><li>make a bulleted list</li></ul> |
| [02:43] | <GarBage> | Yono: on your user topic |
| [02:44] | <Yono> | thanks |
| [02:44] | <GarBage> | nerochiaro: certainly not |
| [02:45] | <nerochiaro> | GarBage: so it does not behave in that way for you ? |
| [02:45] | <GarBage> | nerochiaro: absolutely not |
| [02:45] | <nerochiaro> | Yono: what was the link you sent me in private message some minutes ago ? |
| [02:45] | <Yono> | what? |
| [02:46] | <nerochiaro> | GarBage: i'll have to double check that then, but i'm quite sure it does that |
| [02:46] | <GarBage> | i have mine playing about 20 hours a day, and haven't noticed that |
| [02:47] | <nerochiaro> | mmmh, but maybe you don't shutdown often |
| [02:48] | <GarBage> | could be, my computers won't give any problems until i shutdown'em |
| [02:49] | <GarBage> | so i hardly do that |
| [02:50] | <nerochiaro> | well, i'll try to investigate better on this one |
| [02:50] | <nerochiaro> | maybe it's just me imagining things |
| [02:51] | <GarBage> | on our new year's eve party my neuros will be powering four 500W boomboxes, so i hope it won't start playing funny things on that day |
| [02:52] | <nerochiaro> | heh cool. ah, but you already know that carmode shuts down the player even when it's not supposed to, right ? just so, in the middle of a song witout reason |
| [02:52] | <GarBage> | i do not use car mode, even in a car |
| [02:53] | <GarBage> | ;) |
| [02:53] | <nerochiaro> | no, even with carmode = OFF |
| [02:53] | <nerochiaro> | i have never turned that on, ever. and still get that problem. never had it with previous version of fw w/out carmode |
| [02:53] | <GarBage> | huh? i haven't noticed that |
| [02:54] | <GarBage> | plugged or unplugged? |
| [02:55] | <nerochiaro> | unplugged |
| [02:55] | <nerochiaro> | i plug it in only to recharge it, or when compiling and testing my fw hacks |
| [02:56] | <GarBage> | strange, i use it unplugged most of the time |
| [02:57] | <GarBage> | i'm still waiting for a cop to fine me for hiding the earbuds under the helmet :) |
| [02:57] | <nerochiaro> | happened to me 3 times in the last week. each time turning on the player would make it work again for hours, so it's not the battery that's faulty |
| [02:57] | <nerochiaro> | GarBage: i hear you man, today i was driving my car with the earbuds on, in plain sight |
| [02:59] | <nerochiaro> | i haven't a car stereo yet, and traffic here is crazy in the city, so i have to have music with me |
| [03:00] | <GarBage> | yeah, i'm constantly tapping with mi finger while on traffic lights, and shaking my head in a funny way |
| [03:00] | <GarBage> | *my |
| [03:01] | <nerochiaro> | let's hope we don't get arrested, then |
| [03:02] | <GarBage> | i've developed an amazing way of sneaking the earbuds while taking my helmet off, just in case |
| [03:04] | <nerochiaro> | :) - when i have the feeling a police car is going to pass near my car, i'll flip one hand over the earbud at the side, just to cover it in case they bother to notice me. and if they see the cable, and just one earbud, it could be just the cellphone earpiece and that's legal |
| [03:05] | <GarBage> | humm.. here it not legal |
| [03:05] | <GarBage> | we have to use handsfree toolkits |
| [03:05] | <GarBage> | and positively no earbuds |
| [03:07] | <nerochiaro> | i might be wrong, but just one earbud is ok |
| [03:07] | <nerochiaro> | oh, well, i'll get a car stereo in the next months, so this will be meaningless |
| [03:09] | <nerochiaro> | i'll go to bed now, it's 3AM and i have a backload of sleep to clear. |
| [03:09] | <nerochiaro> | bye ! |
| [03:09] | <GarBage> | c ya |
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| [05:26] | <Yono> | iswm: wake up |
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| [06:22] | <SmrtJustin> | anyone awake? |
| [06:23] | <noiz> | i am |
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| [06:24] | <Yono> | SmrtJustin: I am |
| [06:24] | <SmrtJustin> | Yono: cool lol |
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| [16:32] | <GreatDay_> | Question: After making some changes in the code everything compiles well but at the end of the build I get a windows error Image.exe has to close. Any ideas? |
| [16:36] | <GreatDay_> | Also, when I install the new firmware on the player I get a checksum proplem. |
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| [19:26] | <Yono> | hi |
| [19:28] | <GreatDay> | Hey Yono! |
| [19:28] | <Yono> | hey greatday |
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| [21:08] | <eozl> | GarBage, twiki isn't that fast unless you have a dual xeon with 2gb ram running it i've found |
| [21:10] | <GarBage> | eozl: humm.. could be, i'm on a dual palomino with exactly 2Gb RAM |
| [21:11] | <eozl> | bum heh, i tried it on a 666mhz p3 |
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| [22:04] | <Yono> | hey nerochiaro |
| [22:13] | <chreekat> | Hey, does CrowTRobo (from the forums) ever hang out here? Does anyone know how he's coming with the lcc port? All I know about him is what I've read in the forum discussion Wishlist/Firmware/"Possible solution for open firmware problem" |
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| [22:35] | <SmrtJustin> | in ndbm, whats the PC Library Tree for? |
| [22:36] | <Yono> | SmrtJustin, one sec I'll go check |
| [22:37] | <SmrtJustin> | Yono: k |
| [22:49] | <Yono> | hmm |
| [22:50] | <SmrtJustin> | ? |
| [22:52] | <SmrtJustin> | Yono, I gotta go, I'll ttyl, post if you figure it out lol |
| [22:52] | <Yono> | ok |
| [23:03] | <SmrtJustin> | back |
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| [23:07] | <SmrtJustin> | I just dont get what or how you use PC Library |
| [23:08] | <Yono> | its a menu |
| [23:08] | <Yono> | that you use on ur neuros to choose what songs u want to add on the next sync |
| [23:08] | <Yono> | from the neuros |
| [23:12] | <SmrtJustin> | ...? |
| [23:12] | <SmrtJustin> | shouldnt all the songs that are in my sync dir be in there? |
| [23:14] | <Yono> | no |
| [23:14] | <Yono> | it was meant for NSM, I haven't used the feature with NDBM |
| [23:15] | <SmrtJustin> | oh, so its not that important? |
| [23:15] | <Yono> | u'd have to ask Starkey, who isn't around right now |
| [23:15] | <Yono> | nah |
| [23:17] | <SmrtJustin> | another thing I dont get is how to delete songs? |
| [23:17] | <SmrtJustin> | I marked them to be deleted and they turn red, but nothing ever happens |
| [23:21] | <SmrtJustin> | oh I got it, you have to sync first |
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| [23:38] | <gernika> | hey nerochiaro -- I finally changed preferences to be stored in a cookie for all eternity. |
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| [23:52] | <NhJm> | *yawn*; sup? |
| [23:55] | <NhJm> | mmm, is there a way to broadcast the line-in with myfi? |