[00:01]	<eozl>	well then, i guess i'll go get my burrito now :P
[00:02]	<nerochiaro>	have a nice dinner, both of you
[00:29]	<GreatDay>	has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.66 [Mozilla rv:1.7.5/20041107]"]
[00:38]	<loglibrarybot>	has left #neuros []
[00:46]	<eozl>	omigod so cold and frozen
[00:47]	<NhJm>	lol....................
[01:24]	<nerochiaro>	has quit ["leaving"]
[01:42]	<AmericanTechpush>	has joined #neuros
[01:42]	<AmericanTechpush>	greets
[01:42]	<Yono>	hey AmericanTechpush
[01:43]	<Yono>	guys, do you think this is a good deal? jkontherun.blogs.com
[01:46]	<Yono>	also, keith, how beneficial is FLAC to most of your customers?
[01:47]	<Yono>	if you know, I was just wondering
[01:47]	<AmericanTechpush>	not very much
[01:47]	<AmericanTechpush>	only audio freaks
[01:47]	<Yono>	hmm alright
[01:47]	<AmericanTechpush>	really want it
[01:48]	<AmericanTechpush>	If you don't do recording
[01:48]	<Yono>	I just meant decoding, recording would be far in the future
[01:49]	<AmericanTechpush>	I think flac is coming regardless
[01:49]	<AmericanTechpush>	I rather is audio books first
[01:49]	<Yono>	I wouldn't count on it
[01:50]	<iswm>	has quit [Client Quit]
[01:50]	<Yono>	but who knows
[01:50]	<AmericanTechpush>	Im not
[01:50]	<AmericanTechpush>	overall
[01:51]	<AmericanTechpush>	The Neuros 3 is going to be so much better
[01:51]	<AmericanTechpush>	samller
[01:51]	<AmericanTechpush>	and easier to use
[01:51]	<Yono>	yes
[01:51]	<Yono>	but its still a ways off
[01:51]	<AmericanTechpush>	Yes, but summer will be here before you know it
[01:52]	<Yono>	true
[01:52]	<AmericanTechpush>	summer is a consertive time frame
[01:52]	<AmericanTechpush>	I think
[01:53]	<AmericanTechpush>	There are other products as you know coming this year as well
[01:53]	<Yono>	of course
[01:54]	<eozl>	the Neuros 3 will introduce new hardware?
[01:54]	<Yono>	yes
[01:54]	<eozl>	new processor?
[01:59]	<GarBage>	has survived from another Nighmare ...err Xmas Dinner
[02:00]	<NhJm>	lol........
[02:00]	<GarBage>	AmericanTechpush: regarding the question you've made me lately...
[02:01]	<GarBage>	my unit was kidnapped, lost, back and forth from Germany to Spain three times...
[02:01]	<GarBage>	kidnapped for three months
[02:01]	<NhJm>	:o
[02:01]	<GarBage>	and i had to pay about EUR. 50 when it arrived
[02:02]	<GarBage>	it seems like USPS is hiring companies overseas (like GLS in Europe)
[02:02]	<GarBage>	to deliver their parcels
[02:02]	<GarBage>	and those companies are incredibly stupid
[02:03]	<NhJm>	lol...
[02:03]	<GarBage>	they sent my a letter, on arrival, which i had to fill, sign and send back by fax
[02:04]	<GarBage>	i called them then, and they told me they got the fax
[02:04]	<GarBage>	that was on June ~22th
[02:05]	<GarBage>	they told me i will get my parcel in about a week or so
[02:05]	<GarBage>	since the unit hasn't arrived on that timeframe, i call them again
[02:06]	<GarBage>	and they told me the parcel was on his way back to you
[02:06]	<GarBage>	since they haven't received my fax
[02:06]	<GarBage>	so i resend it back again, and called for confirmation
[02:07]	<GarBage>	they told me again, 1-2 weeks, since the parcel was on their storages on Germany
[02:07]	<GarBage>	so i waited again
[02:07]	<GarBage>	called them every week since then
[02:08]	<GarBage>	three months since the first letter, i got my neuros
[02:08]	<GarBage>	and i had to pay those extra EUR. 50
[02:09]	<GarBage>	in the meantime i've watched the parcel tracking system
[02:10]	<GarBage>	nuff said, my neuros got more miles on its back that i do
[02:10]	<GarBage>	that's why i asked you to fill a complaint letter
[02:11]	<AmericanTechpush>	I did that sir
[02:11]	<GarBage>	since i've already done that on several local authorities here
[02:11]	<AmericanTechpush>	I doubt has any effect
[02:11]	<GarBage>	yeah, i doubt it too
[02:12]	<AmericanTechpush>	Spain is second most popular company we ship to
[02:12]	<GarBage>	err... you mean country, don't you?
[02:12]	<AmericanTechpush>	ack
[02:12]	<AmericanTechpush>	yes
[02:12]	<AmericanTechpush>	sorry
[02:13]	<AmericanTechpush>	5 conversations at once here
[02:14]	<GarBage>	ok, don't worry yourself, i just wanted you to know, and warn about standard USPS shipping to your customers (at least to deliveries here on Spain)
[02:15]	<AmericanTechpush>	I been sending eveything epress mail since
[02:15]	<AmericanTechpush>	It costs me more
[02:15]	<AmericanTechpush>	but
[02:15]	<AmericanTechpush>	The few dollars is worth it
[02:15]	<AmericanTechpush>	to insure it gets there in good amount of time
[02:16]	<GarBage>	sure
[02:16]	<AmericanTechpush>	I am asking everybody
[02:17]	<AmericanTechpush>	We are going to fixing our web site.. or making it better this year and I am looking for ideas
[02:17]	<AmericanTechpush>	Goal is to make it more inforative and more interactive
[02:18]	<AmericanTechpush>	I had the idea of hardcore Neuros forums.. maybye
[02:18]	<AmericanTechpush>	Any ideas
[02:18]	<GarBage>	humm, better get rid of black and dark colours
[02:18]	<AmericanTechpush>	you have I like to hear them
[02:18]	<Yono>	yay!
[02:18]	<Yono>	GarBage agrees with me
[02:18]	<AmericanTechpush>	The dark colore I like
[02:18]	<AmericanTechpush>	but
[02:18]	<AmericanTechpush>	ok
[02:18]	<AmericanTechpush>	Its a easy fic
[02:19]	<AmericanTechpush>	fix
[02:19]	<Yono>	how about instead of a hardcore forum, a simple forum with two boards
[02:19]	<Yono>	General and Support
[02:19]	<AmericanTechpush>	Yes!
[02:19]	<Yono>	:-D
[02:19]	<AmericanTechpush>	Thats what I been saying
[02:20]	<AmericanTechpush>	I been telling KAthyn and Joe that for months
[02:20]	<NhJm>	lol......
[02:20]	<AmericanTechpush>	To many areas
[02:20]	<AmericanTechpush>	I agree with that Yono 100 percent
[02:21]	<Yono>	especially stuff like positron, which should be changed to just General Linux
[02:21]	<AmericanTechpush>	I agree again
[02:22]	<AmericanTechpush>	any particluar fourm you like Vbulletn?
[02:23]	<Yono>	to tell you the truth, I don't actually mind the forum.snitz.com that neurosaudio.com uses, but it all depends on how much admin power you want
[02:23]	<Yono>	I think only 2 or 3 topics have ever been pinned, and none have been locked
[02:24]	<AmericanTechpush>	I never installed it,, I think ease of use..
[02:24]	<AmericanTechpush>	It most important
[02:24]	<AmericanTechpush>	to me
[02:24]	<AmericanTechpush>	on both ends
[02:26]	<iswm>	has joined #neuros
[02:27]	<AmericanTechpush>	I think we add a Fourm area
[02:27]	<AmericanTechpush>	to the site
[02:34]	<NhJm>	mmm, what site is this?
[02:35]	<AmericanTechpush>	www.americantechpushers.com
[02:46]	<SmrtJustin>	I think snitz is nice
[02:47]	<SmrtJustin>	I also like phpBB
[02:49]	<AmericanTechpush>	snitz
[02:49]	<AmericanTechpush>	is at the top
[02:49]	<AmericanTechpush>	phpbb
[02:49]	<AmericanTechpush>	is ok
[02:49]	<AmericanTechpush>	snitz or vbutlletion
[02:49]	<AmericanTechpush>	will be the likly two
[02:51]	<GarBage>	forums are nice, but it's you who take the risk of trolling, so i'd think of it carefully
[02:51]	<Sottilde>	has joined #neuros
[02:52]	<Sottilde>	Hey, anyone around? I've got quite a problem.
[02:52]	<Yono>	I heard
[02:52]	<Sottilde>	:)
[02:52]	<Yono>	dead neuros ouch
[02:52]	<Sottilde>	I don't know if it's dead or not
[02:52]	<Sottilde>	I got a few hours out of it
[02:53]	<Sottilde>	it'll only start up though if I take the player out, put it back in with the power cord... and it'll start up, drive will spin up, then the lcd goes dim and eventually turns off and I hear the HD lose power
[02:53]	<Sottilde>	seems like a battery issue
[02:53]	<GarBage>	Sottilde: oh, really? you're doomed
[02:53]	<Sottilde>	thanks for the encouragement.
[02:53]	<Sottilde>	:p
[02:53]	<GarBage>	loves to scare people even when not on Halloween
[02:53]	<GarBage>	;)
[02:53]	<Sottilde>	I'm hoping that leaving it plugged in for about 12 hours will do the trick
[02:54]	<Sottilde>	*sigh* and it was so nice when it was working
[02:54]	<GarBage>	detach the backpack, and leave it charging evernight
[02:54]	<Sottilde>	yeah, i've had it doing that for about an hour now
[02:54]	<Sottilde>	are any lights supposed to flash?
[02:54]	<Yono>	actually, if I remember right, thats not what you said earlier
[02:54]	<Sottilde>	it's not, yono?
[02:55]	<Yono>	I think the neuros is cursing you for cursing its album artist system
[02:55]	<Sottilde>	haha, yeah I don't like that :P
[02:55]	<Yono>	Posted - 12/24/2004 :  12:45:04 PM
[02:55]	<Yono>	<hr>
[02:55]	<Yono>	I just got my Neuros and this interface is annoying me to death.
[02:55]	<Sottilde>	yeah... well it was still cool!
[02:55]	<GarBage>	Yono loves quoting
[02:55]	<Sottilde>	just took more clicks.
[02:56]	<Sottilde>	Seems that way.
[02:56]	<Sottilde>	But while it's charging, are there supposed to be any signs of life from the thing?
[02:56]	<Sottilde>	I think I got it once to show a charging animation when the player was hooked up, but was never that lucky again
[02:56]	<Sottilde>	And the LED used to flash but... doesn't anymore
[02:56]	<Yono>	does love to quote!
[02:56]	<GarBage>	Sottilde: yeah, flahing lights on the backpack and a animation on the unit if attached
[02:56]	<Sottilde>	eek.
[02:57]	<Yono>	that's weird
[02:57]	<Sottilde>	it definitely knows it's hooked up though
[02:57]	<Yono>	the battery should be dead from the shipping if the battery doesn't hold a charge
[02:57]	<Sottilde>	it won't start up when I put in the player unless the cable's hooked up
[02:57]	<Sottilde>	Should I try a different AC adapter?... I have a few here... but they have to be above 800 mA, right?
[02:58]	<loglibrarybot>	has joined #neuros
[02:59]	<GarBage>	Sottilde: where are you from?
[02:59]	<Sottilde>	... Lol, what an answer... Wisconsin
[02:59]	<Sottilde>	:)
[03:00]	<GarBage>	ok, disregard that, we europeans can't use the bundled ac adaptor
[03:00]	<Sottilde>	Ohh, alright.
[03:00]	<AmericanTechpush>	I dont understand your point Garbage? trolling? In a fourm that I created?
[03:00]	<AmericanTechpush>	or will create
[03:00]	<Sottilde>	I wonder... what would happen if the AC adapter I used was below 800 mA... just out of curiosity
[03:01]	<SmrtJustin>	probably take a long time to charge?
[03:01]	<Sottilde>	Oh... i thought I remembered a post saying it would damage it
[03:01]	<GarBage>	AmericanTechpush: yeah, say i hate you, or i'm a competitor of yours, i could troll your boards to death, so that potential customers won't buy from you
[03:01]	<AmericanTechpush>	Ok
[03:01]	<Yono>	Keith has actual competitors?
[03:02]	<Yono>	actually, I have a good example of that from the neuros forums
[03:02]	<Yono>	if only I could find it
[03:02]	<Sottilde>	Does anyone know?
[03:02]	<AmericanTechpush>	Well thats why there is tools built into the fourm software to blok ip address and moderators will help with that sort of nonsensense
[03:02]	<AmericanTechpush>	damm
[03:02]	<Sottilde>	Sorry I'm probably being pushy but this thing is bothering me quite a bit :)
[03:02]	<AmericanTechpush>	typing bad today
[03:03]	<AmericanTechpush>	show me the example Yono
[03:03]	<Yono>	I wish I could Keith, its from a long time ago
[03:03]	<Yono>	I don't even remember which forum
[03:03]	<AmericanTechpush>	NP
[03:03]	<AmericanTechpush>	I dont recall
[03:03]	<AmericanTechpush>	either
[03:03]	<Yono>	actually, it was b4 you were a reseller
[03:04]	<AmericanTechpush>	I remerber
[03:04]	<Sottilde>	Oh well. I'll just keep it in tonight and see what happens tomorrow. Thanks for the suggestions.
[03:04]	<AmericanTechpush>	There was
[03:04]	<AmericanTechpush>	one in Joe
[03:04]	<AmericanTechpush>	Corner
[03:04]	<Sottilde>	See you guys..
[03:04]	<GarBage>	Sottilde: just make sure your adaptor is, at least, equal or above the recommended amperage, or you could ruin your batteries
[03:04]	<Yono>	thats right
[03:04]	<Sottilde>	It would ruin them, really?
[03:04]	<Yono>	I think it was joes corner
[03:04]	<AmericanTechpush>	I can't remeber the product
[03:04]	<Yono>	thanks
[03:05]	<AmericanTechpush>	remember
[03:07]	<AmericanTechpush>	I am going over what the Topic areas to have..
[03:07]	<GarBage>	humm.. i haven't noticed till now, i have a perfect "100 posts" score on the neuros forums, i won't post again, ever
[03:07]	<AmericanTechpush>	lol
[03:07]	<Sottilde>	Well... i'm going to get going then.
[03:08]	<AmericanTechpush>	latter scott
[03:08]	<Sottilde>	Lol, later.
[03:08]	<AmericanTechpush>	lol
[03:08]	<Yono>	lol go GarBage
[03:08]	<[Chameleon]>	has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
[03:08]	<Yono>	you have about a 1000 on the wiki
[03:08]	<Sottilde>	has quit []
[03:09]	<GarBage>	do i? sheesh...
[03:10]	<SmrtJustin>	I have a score of: 0.
[03:10]	<SmrtJustin>	w00t
[03:11]	<Yono>	if they were listed
[03:11]	<AmericanTechpush>	snitz is looking good..
[03:11]	<AmericanTechpush>	lot has improved since a last looked at the features
[03:11]	<Yono>	go look at the web statistics for each month so far
[03:11]	<[Chameleon]>	has joined #neuros
[03:12]	<GarBage>	errr.. that scares me... you have more knowledge of the wiki that i have!
[03:12]	<Yono>	neuros-firmware.sourceforge.net
[03:13]	<AmericanTechpush>	Hi Chameleon
[03:13]	<Yono>	GarBage, its my job to collect knowledge :)
[03:14]	<Yono>	how'd the upgrade go [Chameleon]?
[03:15]	<Yono>	hey Keith, would ATP possibly be looking into sponsoring firmware bounties as a promotional thing?
[03:16]	<AmericanTechpush>	Anything is possible my young freind
[03:16]	<GarBage>	me largo a echar una partidilla al Prince of Persia, hermanos
[03:16]	<GarBage>	ciao
[03:16]	<Yono>	I mean, it would look good to support the open source community
[03:17]	<Yono>	later GarBage
[03:17]	<AmericanTechpush>	General Questions
[03:17]	<AmericanTechpush>	Product Support
[03:17]	<AmericanTechpush>	Linux support
[03:17]	<AmericanTechpush>	Neuros Firmware discussion
[03:18]	<Yono>	very nice
[03:18]	<Yono>	and to think that I just thought of you guys as image hosters :)
[03:18]	<AmericanTechpush>	We sold alot this year my friend
[03:19]	<AmericanTechpush>	So much we got a better deal from Neuros
[03:19]	<AmericanTechpush>	which allow us to do so much more
[03:23]	<Yono>	thats great
[03:23]	<Yono>	however woot.com got the best deal
[03:24]	<Yono>	$150 for a Neuros USB1.1 30GB
[03:24]	<Yono>	sold about 500 in 9 hours
[03:24]	<AmericanTechpush>	Wel it was USB 1.
[03:24]	<AmericanTechpush>	1.
[03:24]	<AmericanTechpush>	and
[03:24]	<Yono>	but it was 30GB!
[03:25]	<AmericanTechpush>	that is just god awful
[03:25]	<Yono>	its true
[03:25]	<AmericanTechpush>	I think
[03:25]	<AmericanTechpush>	Am not postve
[03:25]	<AmericanTechpush>	they bought the remaing stock
[03:25]	<Yono>	?
[03:25]	<AmericanTechpush>	from Neuros
[03:25]	<Yono>	yea, they did
[03:26]	<AmericanTechpush>	It was a great deal
[03:26]	<Yono>	yes it was
[03:27]	<Yono>	wow, I'm glad I bought the N2 128 flash when I did
[03:27]	<AmericanTechpush>	why so?
[03:27]	<Yono>	all gone
[03:28]	<Yono>	look the the neuros site
[03:28]	<AmericanTechpush>	It was going the way of the dodo
[03:28]	<AmericanTechpush>	months ago
[03:28]	<Yono>	I know, but it was cheaper
[03:28]	<AmericanTechpush>	Yes
[03:28]	<Yono>	by about $40
[03:28]	<Yono>	which is why I got it when I did :)
[03:29]	<AmericanTechpush>	256 is not the bad of a price
[03:29]	<AmericanTechpush>	144
[03:30]	<AmericanTechpush>	total
[03:30]	<AmericanTechpush>	which is still good
[03:30]	<Yono>	and 128 for 99
[03:30]	<Yono>	which is better
[03:31]	<Yono>	40 bux for 128 more is a rip compared to many other storage comparisons
[03:31]	<AmericanTechpush>	it was 79
[03:31]	<AmericanTechpush>	so it was higher then that
[03:32]	<Yono>	89 after shipping + 5 or so for state tax I believe
[03:32]	<AmericanTechpush>	79 was our price
[03:32]	<AmericanTechpush>	and the shippping
[03:32]	<AmericanTechpush>	87
[03:34]	<AmericanTechpush>	you have to remember that the 128MB was planned to end so the price was marked down to sell them relatively fast
[03:34]	<Yono>	true
[03:46]	<eozl>	exactly how much does doubling the flash save on battery?
[03:46]	<eozl>	(if you never plan to store music on it)
[03:58]	<[Chameleon]>	Yono: upgrade went well
[03:58]	<[Chameleon]>	AmericanTechpush: hi, I was actually away making cookies.
[03:58]	<[Chameleon]>	SysInfo: Linux 2.6.9-1.681_FC3 | AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+ 2210.246 MHz | Bogomips: 4374.52 | Mem: 781/1011M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 19.62G Free: 3.41G | Procs: 105 | Uptime: 19 hrs 24 mins 30 secs | Load: 0.08 0.11 0.03 | Vpenis: 50.7 cm | Screen: unknown @ 1280x1024 (24 bpp) | eth0: In: 428.89M Out: 22.65M
[03:59]	<AmericanTechpush>	thats cool
[03:59]	<[Chameleon]>	the Diskspace is not right, I actually have 120 GB
[03:59]	<AmericanTechpush>	merry xmas
[03:59]	<[Chameleon]>	thanks
[03:59]	<[Chameleon]>	merry Christmas to you all
[03:59]	<AmericanTechpush>	just me left
[03:59]	<[Chameleon]>	more cookies are done... last batch.
[03:59]	<AmericanTechpush>	I think
[03:59]	<[Chameleon]>	ah
[03:59]	<AmericanTechpush>	working on ideas
[03:59]	<[Chameleon]>	is away: Cookies
[04:00]	<AmericanTechpush>	later
[04:17]	<Yono>	alright AmericanTechpush, I think I'm out too, good luck with the forums, I'll probably be on here after 1/5 if you want to catch me
[04:37]	<NhJm>	mmm, why is logo3.gif stretched out?
[04:37]	<NhJm>	pokes AmericanTechpush
[05:13]	<Yono-Away>	has quit ["Download Gaim: gaim.sourceforge.net
[05:26]	<Sottilde>	has joined #neuros
[05:26]	<Sottilde>	*yawn* hey guys
[05:30]	<Sottilde>	has quit [Client Quit]
[05:38]	<NhJm>	lol......
[05:45]	<SmrtJustin>	has quit [""< M2Ys4U> Windows, reboot. Linux, be root. :)""]
[06:08]	<AmericanTechpush>	has quit ["Leaving"]
[06:47]	<AmericanTechpush>	has joined #neuros
[07:03]	<Koron>	has joined #neuros
[07:04]	<AmericanTechpush>	Hi Koron
[07:09]	<NhJm>	yawns; happy monkey day
[07:17]	<[Chameleon]>	is back (gone 03:17:17)
[07:18]	<[Chameleon]>	NhJm: Monkeys would be cool
[07:18]	<[Chameleon]>	NhJm: I have rupert the monkey on top of my monitor
[07:19]	<[Chameleon]>	Rupert has his own movie
[07:19]	<[Chameleon]>	chameleon.homelinux.net
[07:19]	<[Chameleon]>	user/pass: guest/guest
[07:20]	<AmericanTechpush>	welcome back
[07:27]	<AmericanTechpush>	funny
[07:40]	<unknown_lamer>	Hrm
[07:41]	<NhJm>	lol, too lazy to click
[07:41]	<unknown_lamer>	Today is December 25th.
[07:41]	<unknown_lamer>	Today is the last day I will have any peace at home.
[07:41]	<unknown_lamer>	Tomorrow I shall tell my aunt and uncle I am leaving.
[07:41]	<unknown_lamer>	My life will then be Hell until I actually leave.
[07:41]	<unknown_lamer>	Grrr.
[07:43]	<NhJm>	:/
[07:58]	<AmericanTechpush>	lol
[07:58]	<AmericanTechpush>	they will wish you well
[07:58]	<AmericanTechpush>	can't stay home forever
[07:58]	<AmericanTechpush>	tho it would be nice
[08:11]	<chreekat>	Hey, if I start working on porting a compiler, what mailing lists do you guys recommend I pay attention to?
[08:11]	<chreekat>	I think i've signed up for firmware-help, or something
[08:11]	<chreekat>	but I know there's a bunch of em
[10:32]	<[Chameleon]>	www.stickpage.com
[12:02]	<AmericanTechpush>	has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
[15:52]	<eozl>	is the onboard 256meg flash on the neuros volatile? how is it used for caching if it's rom?
[15:53]	<AmericanTechpush>	has joined #neuros
[16:00]	<SmrtJustin>	has joined #neuros
[16:03]	<eozl>	and does anyone have any clue why there's no onboard debugger for the firmware yet?
[16:03]	<eozl>	is it io? getting to know the rtos to write a capable threading and breaking program?
[16:10]	<SmrtJustin>	I started it with Preset 1 and 5, and Play
[16:10]	<SmrtJustin>	to format the NAND
[16:10]	<SmrtJustin>	but now i cant shut it off
[16:12]	<SmrtJustin>	ndbm isnt liking my neuros
[16:19]	<SmrtJustin>	why does everything on my neuros end with: ~1?
[16:28]	<SmrtJustin>	is anyone around?
[16:28]	<eozl>	is packing like mad
[16:29]	<SmrtJustin>	...
[16:29]