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now, i have library for PNG import export, but maybe a simpler format would be better. any ideas ?

<eozl>

PGM

<DeepB>

btw, i haven't managed to understand how to play with graylevels, that'll be great

PGM ? i'm checking that

[19:50]

DeepB: graylevels of the LCD ?

[19:50]

<DeepB>

yeah, like the ones showing when a XI menu appears

[19:51]

it might be interesting. i might look into that

[19:51]

<DeepB>

i think it is capable of at least 16 levels, maybe 256

[19:56]

eozl: do you know if PGM can be opened with GIMP ?

[19:59]

<eozl>

yes, PGM is very common denominator

[19:59]

<eozl>

when i need to output image stuff in a bare environment, i just printf pgm ascii values and pipe it to a file

[20:00]

<Yono>

DeepB: you created the new design for the HD, so you know the most about it

[20:00]

<Yono>

how do you feel about the creation a wrapper around the neuros FW code that would allow one to compile it and run on on a PC for simulatory purposes

eozl: ok, then i'll probably use these instead of PNG. much simpler

<Yono>

the details are in the log, unknown_lamer and eozl knew more about it than me

<eozl>

nerochiaro: netpbm.sourceforge.net is the canonical doc

<DeepB>

Yono: err... what?

[20:02]

eozl: yeah, i googled that up some minutes ago

[20:02]

<Yono>

eozl: do you want to explain, or shall I make up gibberish?

[20:02]

<Yono>

or nero, you were here then too

[20:03]

<eozl>

well, I was wondering if you could write a small set of header and C files to provide rtos functionality to the firmware code, and simplify the IO to enable the whole app to be compiled and run on a PC

[20:04]

<eozl>

not just RTOS, but a lot of things like memory and hd reads and writes, textual output, etc., implemented as simple stdio functions/macros

[20:04]

<DeepB>

humm.. that seems unlikely

<DeepB>

or TI and DSP moard testing manufacturers would loss a lot of money

<DeepB>

if there was an easy path to it

<DeepB>

*board

<eozl>

no, this would simply be a small set of functions to simulate to the FW that it is running on a neuros

[20:06]

<eozl>

it's just running on a PC, you can debug it using gdb, etc.

[20:06]

<eozl>

once you get it working the way you like it, you cross your fingers, use the TI compiler and put it on your neuros to see

[20:07]

<DeepB>

well.. besides all those RTOS calls, there's a lot of specific ASM on the firmware

[20:08]

<eozl>

the existence of which i learnt about yesterday; those might be simulated or a PC library substituted for them

[20:08]

<eozl>

most of the assembly is for codecs?

[20:09]

<DeepB>

also for PCB and direct hardware interaction

[20:09]

<DeepB>

such as the LCD, keyboard etc...

[20:09]

<eozl>

those would be what you replace with printfs and scanfs

[20:10]

<eozl>

it's a pretty concept, probably a lot of problems with doing though

[20:10]

<eozl>

would make it easier to develop

[20:11]

<DeepB>

yeah, i can see the niceness, but the toughness also

[20:12]

<eozl>

i estimated 60 man-hours and a few tons of luck

[20:12]

<Yono>

unkown_lamer had a diff approach I believe

[20:12]

<DeepB>

did i told you something about being highly optimistic before?

[20:13]

eozl: you are indeed starting to get a reputation for being optimistic, i think. not that it's necessarily a bad thing, mind you

[20:14]

<eozl>

i have noticed that when i carry through with my plans, the estimates were fairly reasonable

[20:14]

<eozl>

i'd like to see if that trend holds when i finally do something for the neuros :P

[20:16]

<DeepB>

well, for your records and your estimation variables considerations... if they're affected at all.. i'm not more than a monkey with a C editor

[20:17]

<Yono>

if ur a monkey, what's everyone else?

[20:17]

<Yono>

i know I'm a roach :)

[20:18]

<DeepB>

now i wonder... do monkeys eat roaches?

[20:18]

* Yono runs!

[20:18]

probably

[20:20]

<DeepB>

anybody knows what's the best way to donate to the tsunami relief?

[20:20]

<Yono>

red cross

red cross would be a safe bet

<iswm>

www.google.com

<DeepB>

tommorow it's my birthday and i'm planning to give away all my gifts to them

<iswm>

Lists a bunch of organizations you can donate to.

<Yono>

u can donate to them via amazon, which is as secure as u can get

[20:22]

<DeepB>

here's a lot of them, banks, cellphone companies, tv shit... but i don't trust em

[20:23]

<DeepB>

thank you all for the directions

[20:23]

<Yono>

you're not planning on working on FLAC anytime soon, right?

[20:24]

<DeepB>

nope, as long as the lib won't let me i won't try harder

[20:25]

<Yono>

alright, could I see a copy of what you have so far?

[20:25]

DeepB: sorry, what do you mean with "as long as the lib won't let me" ?

[20:25]

<DeepB>

josh has made a hard work though, but it is not finished yet

[20:27]

<DeepB>

Yono: i'm sorry you can't, it's mixed with indisclosable sources from NA, ask Joe and i will happily give it to you

[20:28]

<Yono>

ok, I'll ask him when he gets back from the CES

[20:29]

<Yono>

no FLAC is a bummer, but we still have MyWiFi ;)

[20:55]

DeepB: do you know what source file should i thouch to have the build process try to read again a modified icon ?

[21:49]

<Yono>

hey rug

[21:49]

<Yono>

still having checksum problems?

[22:09]

* SmrtJustin hopes he gets his neuros tomorrow

[22:10]

* nerochiaro wishes SmrtJustin good luck

[22:10]

thx

[22:15]

anyone here a good shell scripter?

[22:22]

* NhJm pees on shell script

[22:23]

<NhJm>

hehehehe

[22:23]

* eozl volunteers services

[22:28]

eozl, I have a ton of duplicate mp3s

[22:29]

is there a good way to go through dirs, and sub-dirs and find them by md5 sum, or just the ones that start with: ## - ?

[22:31]

<eozl>

the duplicates all start with "## - " ?

[22:31]

two numbers then a space, and a -

like for example: 05 - Artist - Title.mp3

<eozl>

and do you want to delete all of such files, or keep just one copy of them?

delete the ones that start with the numbers

<eozl>

huh

[22:33]

<Yono>

if file begins with a number, delete, else don't

[22:33]

yeah...

<Yono>

if-then-else saves the day once again!

<eozl>

i believe the gods of bash made if-ladders hard for a reason

<eozl>

find | grep "/[0-90-9]" will find your files

<eozl>

rm `find | grep "/[0-90-9]"` -f will delete them without asking

<eozl>

you probably want to look at the output of the find though first, make sure it's going to do exactly what you want it to do

yeah

that wont work

it finds anything that begins w/ a number

the copys are: ## space -

[22:36]

<eozl>

find | grep "/[0-9][0-9] -" | grep mp3$

[22:37]

<eozl>

(i stupidly forgot the ][ in the first one)

[22:37]

hmm that doesnt return anything

<eozl>

oh, that'll break (delete too much) if you have any subdirectories begining with "## -"

<eozl>

hm, it returns stuff here: ./Immediate Action #8/04 - fahrenheit fair enough (prefuse 73 bonus beats remix).mp3

if I take the / out before [0 it works

<eozl>

but that'll grab anything with "## -" in it

[22:39]

<eozl>

the / was to get the pattern in the beginning of the filename

[22:39]

hmm

[22:39]

doesnt like the space I guess

[22:40]

<eozl>

wierd, it's workin here

[22:40]

<eozl>

do something like, "touch 01\ -\ testing.mp3" and run the find

[22:40]

<eozl>

if it doesn't find that file, you know the gods are very angry today

[22:41]

nope didnt find it

[22:41]

<eozl>

how bizarre

yeah

<eozl>

try this: find | grep "/[0-9][0-9] -" | grep mp3

<eozl>

(without the $ for lines ending only in "mp3")

<eozl>

does "find" do what we think it does?

that works

[22:43]

I'll use that then

[22:43]

<eozl>

heh maybe your grep is aliased to something wierd like fgrep or egrep... (which should work..)

[22:43]

<eozl>

ok

[22:44]

problem though

[22:44]

rm has a problem with it cuz the files have spaces

[22:45]

<eozl>

ah right

[22:45]

<eozl>

let me make a copy and try this here

[22:45]

<NhJm>

........:/

[22:46]

<NhJm>

rm -f "`find | grep "^./[0-9][0-9] -" | grep mp3$`"

[22:46]

<NhJm>

mmkay?

[22:46]

<eozl>

find | grep "/[0-9][0-9] -" | grep mp3 | while read i; do rm "$i" -f; done

[22:47]

<eozl>

NhJm, that odesn't work cuz: rm: cannot lstat `./Immediate Action #8/04 - fahrenheit fair enough (prefuse 73 bonus beats remix).mp3\n./Immediate Action #8/02 - ttv , etc.

[22:47]

<NhJm>

i know i just realized that

[22:47]

<Rug>

Yono: No, no more checksum problems. The GarBage changelog links to an incompletely-uploaded 2.26.1.7, so I browsed the CVS until I found what I wanted.

eozl: that did it thx

<Yono>

ok

<Rug>

... and I am _quite_ happy with the GarBage firmware. Quite happy indeed.

<NhJm>

lol....

<eozl>

SmrtJustin: excellent

"quite" ?

<Rug>

Yeah. Thrilled, even.

[22:49]

what makes you so thrilled?

[22:49]

eozl: that saved me a ton of time

[22:49]

I had been manually doing it for like 30mins, and I was only in the Ts

[22:50]

<eozl>

what do i say about menial labor? it's reserved for windows, not unix

[22:50]

yeah, but you have to have the knowledge to tell the computer what to do

[22:50]

eozl: not necessarily. even in windows you can script like a maniac. not so easily, though

<Rug>

The numeric battery meter, more control over NeurosCast, a 24-hour time display, the ability to show song titles in big text (rather than artist names), a HiSi button that doesn't interrupt songs...

<eozl>

though over the summer ifound an entire gnu toolkit to run on windows, and used it like mad

<Yono>

numeric meter was always there

<Rug>

Scroll wrap is also nice, and the ability to adjust the FM tuner/transmitter in .2 increments (instead of .1) saves time.

<Yono>

I agree

<Rug>

Yono: Yeah, but I didn't know about it. Also, did you have to enable it every time you turned the Neuros on?

<Yono>

I wish my my compiler hadn't expired :'(

I should try GarBage's fw, but I dont really want to do anything that may make my 3rd neuros die

<Yono>

Rug: no

<Rug>

SmrtJustin: I've changed firmware about a dozen times in the last 12 hours, and had no problems whatsoever.

from linux or windows?

<Rug>

(Back and forth between older and buggy GarBage versions.)

<Rug>

From Windows, but it shouldn't matter.

*shouldn't* is the key

<Rug>

Just make a "firmware" folder on the Neuros, drop a file in it, unplug, shut down, and turn on while holding "Down".

so you guys think my two neuroses had nothing to do with the fw?

<Rug>

All the OS does is transfer a file.

I will try the fw before my 90day warranty is up though

<Rug>

... and the Neuros does a checksum on the new firmware before it updates.

does it?

<Rug>

Yes.

<eozl>

SmrtJustin, u umount the drive before unplugging the neuros?

yep

<Rug>

That's how I found out I was downloading an incomplete version of the latest GarBage firmware - the Neuros refused to update to it.

my second one ran for two days before I had problems

[22:56]

<Rug>

Oh, and GarBage also reduces the scroll delay. You only have to hold a button for a half-second now (roughly), and it's a second or more with the regular firmware.

[22:56]

I might use Bernards, cuz I kinda like the animations

Rug: it's too fast for me, a tad

<Rug>

You can even listen with headphones while broadcasting, if you're interesting.

but the quality is crap

of the audio in headphones when myfi is on

<eozl>

what?? why?

<Rug>

All I can tell is that it's softer. Otherwise, it sounds about the same.

<Yono>

really?

<Yono>

I don't remember that

does the sleep timer work for you guys?

the one time I tried it (when my neuros was sick) it froze on the shutting down window

<Rug>

SmrtJustin: You mean auto-off?

no, theres a sleep timer

<Yono>

up+lock

<Yono>

yea, I never got into using that

I'd use it, but I dont know if it works

<Rug>

What does it do?

<Rug>

Turns off in 15 minutes?

shuts it off after the set amount of time

<Rug>

Okay.

Yono, Rug: yes, the audio in mine when using myfi + headphones is softer, much softer, and also slightly scratching (like an old vinyl, kind of)

<Yono>

interesting

<NhJm>

:/

<Yono>

DeepB: you know of this?

<Rug>

nerochiaro: Using GarBage?

[23:02]

yes, but not latest, a previous one on which i am running all my little useless experiments. and using that also because the carmode in the latest would trigger strange bugs even when set to off.

[23:03]

<Rug>

Hmm.

[23:04]

strange bugs"

[23:04]

is defined as shutting down unexpectedly (which i can tolerate)

[23:04]

and also not turning on unless the power cord is plugged (which i can't tolerate, especially at the start of a long coding day at the office)

[23:05]

<Yono>

what useless expiriments?

[23:06]

<Yono>

:-P I really want my compiler unexpired

[23:06]

Yono: nothing that would pique your interest, i assure you. mostly because a lot of them are failures

[23:06]

<Yono>

what kind of failures?'

[23:07]

<NhJm>

pique?

[23:07]

Yono: you're persistent, aren't you ? examples: changing the memory layout, menus (something on this front worked, after much work), mucking about with the LCD code

[23:08]

NhJm: mmh, bad english mode kicking in, i guess.

[23:08]

<NhJm>

pique, n.: a transient feeling of wounded vanity

[23:08]

<NhJm>

lol

[23:09]

<Yono>

pique: feeling of sharp anger or resentment

[23:10]

pique: to provoke, arouse

[23:10]

esample "The portrait piqued her curiosity."

[23:10]

<NhJm>

peaked.

[23:11]

it's from the french, i guess.

[23:11]

that's where i found that definition: dictionary.reference.com

<NhJm>

i know

<NhJm>

i saw

<NhJm>

because I CAN READ YOUR MIND!

<NhJm>

ooo eee oooo

that was scary

<NhJm>

i know :)

especially the final random vocal strings

<NhJm>

thank you

[23:13]

you're welcome

[23:13]

<NhJm>

:)

[23:13]

* SmrtJustin goes back and forth in his mind on whether to touch his fw or not.

on other news: Neuros icon editor with full support for font glyphs and import/export to PNG is coming soon

<Rug>

What are font glyphys?

<NhJm>

touch it...

Rug: in a bitmap font, each single letter

Rug: or number, or symbol

<Rug>

SmrtJustin: If you're considering the latest GarBage version, you should know that there's one bug - recordings work, but they aren't added to the "Recordings" menu.

<NhJm>

mmmmmmmmm

<Rug>

nerochiaro: Nice... will that be slower?

Rug: not a problem, because I dont record lol

<Rug>

Heh, okay.

<NhJm>

i noticed that too rug!

when did the latest GarBage come out?

Rug: slower if compared to what ?

<Rug>

December 11.

<Rug>

nerochiaro: Compared to however the Neuros does fonts right now.

oh ok, then Bernards is the same

it was merged w/ garbages on the 18th

<Rug>

Bernard?

theres another branch

Bernard Cafarelli does the other

he leaves in the animations

[23:17]

and does a few other small things

[23:17]

Rug: it's not a change in the firmware, i was talking about a program i wrote, that you run on your PC

[23:18]

<Rug>

SmrtJustin: I see... I'm reading his page now.

[23:18]

<Rug>

nerochiaro: But it lets you change the fonts on the Neuros?

[23:19]

Rug: yes it does, but you have to rebuild your firmware to use them

[23:19]

see neuros-firmware.sourceforge.net

<Rug>

Downloading... thanks.

the current version allows you to change the icons only, fonts will be in the next, which will out shortly

*be out

<Rug>

"Could not find the main class."

<Yono>

nerochiaro!

* Yono has a lightbulb above his head

Rug: read the instructions on the page, i cover there much possibile errors

<Rug>

I need to update Java. =)

Rug: see ?

<Rug>

nerochiaro: Yeah, sorry. I missed that part on the page.

Yono: spit it out

<Yono>

how about a simple rename file ability for file explorer

<Yono>

two fws

Rug: no problem, a true geek never reads instructions (at first) ;)

<Yono>

woid.hex, woid1.hex

<Rug>

You got it. =)

<Yono>

switch the names between the two, they'll already be in the right folder

<Yono>

and you can have as many as you want

I should try it out, but I need to d/l the new java

and I'm kinda lazy

lol

[23:23]

Yono: i already thought about that. i was thinking about tinkering with that idea soon

[23:23]

<Rug>

Perhaps you could upload the firmware versions with different filenames (Garbage22617.hex, Official227beta.hex, etc), and the Neuros would name the selected one to woid.hex.

[23:23]

<Yono>

hmm, new wiki topic

SmrtJustin: yeah, i feel your pain. but i wanted to try out the new features of the new release, and so i thought "what better occasion than this new project ?". couldn't resist, sorry.

lol

<NhJm>

you bastard nerochiaro :P

<Rug>

But really, how many people need to switch between firmware versions unless they've just downloaded one?

Rug: yeah, something like that