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i'm just poking in from the office over an ssh connection passign thru an http proxy. not the fastest thing in the world. i type stuff and after 1 second it appears in the window.

[16:58]

sometimes even 2 seconds

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man - that's bad

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yep. and that's why i'm disconnecting and probably going home soon

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anyway - I was just sayin' hey cuz I saw you on.

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bye

[22:21]

Will I get a charge complete status on my Neuros or will it charge indefinitely?

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indefinitely

[22:22]

you see when it's at the top, but it stays in trickle charge mode until you plug it off (i hope it stays in trickle mode, at least)

[22:22]

blizzow: just keep it plugged in whenever possible and unlug when you need to

[22:22]

the lithium cell in the Neuros will be happy that way

[22:24]

i like the idea of me keeping a little lithium cell happy, for some strange reason

[22:24]

nerochiaro: it won't overcharge

[22:24]

i was almost sure of that. it would be utterly stupid otherwise

[22:25]

heheh - lithium cells are nice as long as you keep 2 things in mind: they're not NiCd's, and they won't last forever

[22:48]

<Yono>

nerochiaro: theres one thing that would be a nice addition to your icon editor

[22:49]

<Yono>

for the importing of files (PNG or DAT), could you have the bar at the bottom instead of always saying "All files" allow you to only view PNGs and/or DATs?

[22:50]

think there's a difference in the charging speed whether or not the Neuros is on and Synchronizing?

[22:50]

<Yono>

its not anything to important, just convienient

[22:50]

blizzow: YES

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<Yono>

yes blizzow

[22:50]

blizzow: The N can barely charge itself when on, esp when syncing

[22:50]

gotcha.

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(In fact, I'd swear the stock supply can't deliver enough current for syncing and the battery is helping)

[22:51]

<Yono>

could be

[22:54]

sorry yono, was away. i'll try and add your suggestion, it's not a bad idea

[23:25]

coming back to that charging discussion... maybe it can't charge when sync, but it does charge when playing, doesn't it ?

[23:27]

nerochiaro: Hi ! Haven't been around in a while..just wanted to thank you for the files way back when :)

[23:27]

<eozl>

so, networking via FM should be quite simple, in principle; baseband techniques should be explored using just regular PCs and then you can fiddle with FM transceiving

[23:28]

<eozl>

anybody know of PC equipment that can be fed raw sound data (internally, not over any cables) which it broadcasts via FM ?

[23:31]

GreatDay: so, you managed to look at these files, you said ?

[23:33]

I did .... unfortunately I had done the exact same thing. But whereas you extended the xtra menu by one option I replaced Recording qual;ity with a submenu and well, that still doens't work! Thanks for the files anyway...kinda makes me feel more confident that some areas are changed correctly!

[23:34]

maybe the problem is with "replaced"

[23:34]

try adding another, for starters

[23:34]

see if that works for you too

[23:35]

What's the ETA for a full charge after a complete discharge?

[23:35]

did that and worked fine... was essentially the same as you had done...then I proceeded to remove the one option and inserted a new submenu along the line of xtra ... and that's where things started going south!

[23:36]

blizzow: no idea, but i guess no more than 8 hours

[23:37]

GreatDay: so you added a new sub at the same level as xtra (that is, under settings), is this correct ?

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or at least tried to

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nerochiaro: correct

[23:38]

nerochiaro : well gee, thanks! :)

[23:39]

GreatDay: i'll try doing the same and i'll see if i can come up with something

[23:40]

Nerochiaro : Thanks ! I'd appreciate it....

[23:41]

GreatDay: no problem. it will be surely useful to me too

[23:49]

One other thing I was wondering about ..what is actually the hinderance for increasing the sampling rate or bit rate? Is it an AD or processor speed issue?

[23:51]

<Yono>

eozl, that's great news

[23:51]

<Yono>

I don't know of any offhand

[23:56]

GreatDay: the weight of decoding files is on the processor

[23:59]

nerochiaro: but in wave that should still be quite light...

[00:00]	<nerochiaro>	Rug: i think you can overwrite them, but not deleting
[00:01]	<Rug>	Oh well.
[00:02]	<nerochiaro>	Rug: at least i never managed to figure out how to do that. and i even read the manual !
[00:03]	<Rug>	=)
[00:15]	<nerochiaro>	damn wiki ! i'm trying to upload the new editor, and it won't letme
[00:25]	<nerochiaro>	i can't believe it, i had to use internet explorer because it wouldn't work with firefox. this is quite outrageous
[00:25]	* eozl agrees
[00:27]	<nerochiaro>	i can't figure out what's wrong though, or i'd go and fix it
[00:34]	<nerochiaro>	ok, the new version have been uploaded and the wiki topic updated. any feedback is welcome, if anyone get to try it.
[01:13]	<MrKlaw>	I was wondering if someone might give me a hand building the firmware...
[01:14]	<MrKlaw>	i keep getting the error
[01:14]	<MrKlaw>	Neuros200.mak:645 *** missing separator Stop
[01:15]	<MrKlaw>	anyone know what might be causing that?
[01:16]	<MrKlaw>	is anyone even around?
[01:19]	<DeepB>	sup MrKlaw ?
[01:29]	<Yono>	I had that error before DeepB fixed me up
[01:30]	<Yono>	and with my compiler expired, I guess it doesn't matter
[01:41]	<Yono>	1.3 works well
[01:42]	<Yono>	nerochiaro and anyone who cares, I posted a sample export: img91.exs.cx
[02:03]	<DeepB>	nerochiaro: erase GEN_xdata.obj, then rebuild, or just touch the source file
[04:22]	<Elembis>	If I modify the firmware by giving some of the letters different widths, will it screw things up?
[06:30]	<Koron>	bravo on the icon editor
[16:28]	<JoshMalone>	hey again, nero
[16:51]	<nerochiaro>	josh, sorry for the half an hour delay ;) hi
[16:55]	<JoshMalone>	np :)
[16:57]	<nerochiaro>	i'm just poking in from the office over an ssh connection passign thru an http proxy. not the fastest thing in the world. i type stuff and after 1 second it appears in the window.
[16:58]	<nerochiaro>	sometimes even 2 seconds
[16:58]	<JoshMalone>	man - that's bad
[16:58]	<nerochiaro>	yep. and that's why i'm disconnecting and probably going home soon
[16:58]	<JoshMalone>	anyway - I was just sayin' hey cuz I saw you on.
[16:58]	<nerochiaro>	bye
[22:21]	<blizzow>	Will I get a charge complete status on my Neuros or will it charge indefinitely?
[22:21]	<nerochiaro>	indefinitely
[22:22]	<nerochiaro>	you see when it's at the top, but it stays in trickle charge mode until you plug it off (i hope it stays in trickle mode, at least)
[22:22]	<JoshMalone>	blizzow: just keep it plugged in whenever possible and unlug when you need to
[22:22]	<JoshMalone>	the lithium cell in the Neuros will be happy that way
[22:24]	<nerochiaro>	i like the idea of me keeping a little lithium cell happy, for some strange reason
[22:24]	<JoshMalone>	nerochiaro: it won't overcharge
[22:24]	<nerochiaro>	i was almost sure of that. it would be utterly stupid otherwise
[22:25]	<JoshMalone>	heheh - lithium cells are nice as long as you keep 2 things in mind: they're not NiCd's, and they won't last forever
[22:48]	<Yono>	nerochiaro: theres one thing that would be a nice addition to your icon editor
[22:49]	<Yono>	for the importing of files (PNG or DAT), could you have the bar at the bottom instead of always saying "All files" allow you to only view PNGs and/or DATs?
[22:50]	<blizzow>	think there's a difference in the charging speed whether or not the Neuros is on and Synchronizing?
[22:50]	<Yono>	its not anything to important, just convienient
[22:50]	<JoshMalone>	blizzow: YES
[22:50]	<Yono>	yes blizzow
[22:50]	<JoshMalone>	blizzow: The N can barely charge itself when on, esp when syncing
[22:50]	<blizzow>	gotcha.
[22:51]	<JoshMalone>	(In fact, I'd swear the stock supply can't deliver enough current for syncing and the battery is helping)
[22:51]	<Yono>	could be
[22:54]	<nerochiaro>	sorry yono, was away. i'll try and add your suggestion, it's not a bad idea
[23:25]	<nerochiaro>	coming back to that charging discussion... maybe it can't charge when sync, but it does charge when playing, doesn't it ?
[23:27]	<GreatDay>	nerochiaro: Hi ! Haven't been around in a while..just wanted to thank you for the files way back when :)
[23:27]	<eozl>	so, networking via FM should be quite simple, in principle; baseband techniques should be explored using just regular PCs and then you can fiddle with FM transceiving
[23:28]	<eozl>	anybody know of PC equipment that can be fed raw sound data (internally, not over any cables) which it broadcasts via FM ?
[23:31]	<nerochiaro>	GreatDay: so, you managed to look at these files, you said ?
[23:33]	<GreatDay>	I did .... unfortunately I had done the exact same thing. But whereas you extended the xtra menu by one option I replaced Recording qual;ity with a submenu and well, that still doens't work! Thanks for the files anyway...kinda makes me feel more confident that some areas are changed correctly!
[23:34]	<nerochiaro>	maybe the problem is with "replaced"
[23:34]	<nerochiaro>	try adding another, for starters
[23:34]	<nerochiaro>	see if that works for you too
[23:35]	<blizzow>	What's the ETA for a full charge after a complete discharge?
[23:35]	<GreatDay>	did that and worked fine... was essentially the same as you had done...then I proceeded to remove the one option and inserted a new submenu along the line of xtra ... and that's where things started going south!
[23:36]	<nerochiaro>	blizzow: no idea, but i guess no more than 8 hours
[23:37]	<nerochiaro>	GreatDay: so you added a new sub at the same level as xtra (that is, under settings), is this correct ?
[23:37]	<nerochiaro>	or at least tried to
[23:37]	<GreatDay>	nerochiaro: correct
[23:38]	<GreatDay>	nerochiaro : well gee, thanks! :)
[23:39]	<nerochiaro>	GreatDay: i'll try doing the same and i'll see if i can come up with something
[23:40]	<GreatDay>	Nerochiaro : Thanks ! I'd appreciate it....
[23:41]	<nerochiaro>	GreatDay: no problem. it will be surely useful to me too
[23:49]	<GreatDay>	One other thing I was wondering about ..what is actually the hinderance for increasing the sampling rate or bit rate? Is it an AD or processor speed issue?
[23:51]	<Yono>	eozl, that's great news
[23:51]	<Yono>	I don't know of any offhand
[23:56]	<nerochiaro>	GreatDay: the weight of decoding files is on the processor
[23:59]	<GreatDay>	nerochiaro: but in wave that should still be quite light...