Log from #neuros IRC channel

DeepB: once i restore the commandline functionality, you can convert in batch from .dat to .png and back. was it you that needed that functionality, or am i wrong ?

[00:28]

<DeepB>

i never asked for it, but it's nice indeed

[00:30]

DeepB: ah, for some strange reason i thought you had asked. my usual bad memory, i guess

[00:30]

my neuros keeps saying it's connecting..... but then the animation stops

[00:31]

so what is the neuros listed under in /dev?

[00:32]

<iswm>

yonkeltron, /dev/uda1 here.. Try doing an ls before, then one after.. See what gets added.

[00:32]

<DeepB>

yonkeltron: usually /dev/sd?1 check dmesg or tail -f kern.log or messages

[00:35]

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: dude, i've discovered this italian chick and i can't get her out of my head/ears

[00:35]

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: Cristina Scabbia from Lacuna Coil

[00:36]

<DeepB>

yummi....

[00:37]

damn thing looks like it's getting frozen when i try to mount it

[00:37]

<iswm>

yonkeltron, try doing a NAND format

[00:37]

<DeepB>

yonkeltron: mount /dev/sd?1 /mnt/neuros -t vfat -o sync,rw works for me

[00:38]

DeepB: she's pretty nice, indeed. plus the great voice. really, i can understand why you can't take her out of your head

[00:38]

iswm: how do i do that?

[00:38]

<iswm>

Turn it on with 1+5+play

[00:39]

iswm ok...what does that do?

[00:39]

<iswm>

It'll give you a menu that'll give you the option to format the NAND memory.

[00:40]

what is nand memory?

[00:40]

DeepB: you like her looks only, or also the music ?

[00:40]

DeepB: have a pic?

[00:40]

<iswm>

I'm not sure exactly why it helps, but as someone else put it, it's penicillin for the neuros.

[00:40]

<iswm>

It's the onboard flash memory I believe.

[00:40]

<DeepB>

yonkeltron: images.google.com

[00:40]

iswm: ok then...let me try to hook it up again..let's see if autofs catches it this time

[00:40]

yonkeltron: is the the flash

[00:41]

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: she reminds me a girlfriend of mine i had a long time ago, she used to whisper me short poems while i was bartending

[00:41]

iswm: just froze again! before i could even plug it in

[00:42]

how do i reset it?

[00:42]

<iswm>

yonkeltron, will it not turn off?

[00:42]

<DeepB>

i like her voice, got all their albums and a few vids, but she's hot indeed

[00:42]

iswm: no dude

[00:42]

nothing

[00:43]

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: so it's a good mix

[00:43]

<iswm>

yonkeltron, up+play will shut it down in that case

[00:43]

iswm: what does that do?

[00:43]

<iswm>

Hard shutdown

[00:44]

<iswm>

Like pressing the power button on your computer.

[00:44]

<iswm>

Don't do it unless you have to though, it's not exactly a great thing to do.

[00:45]

DeepB: besides, i have friends here in milan (she's is from here) that know her, and say that she remained a very nice and kind person even with all the success her band is having recently (especially in the USA)

[00:45]

<iswm>

yonkeltron, when you get it off, try turning it back on with 1+5+play and format the nand, hopefully that'll fix everything up.

[00:46]

iswm: i think that unless you do hard shutdown while the disk is spinning, you don't risk anything

[00:46]

<iswm>

nerochiaro, yeah, still a bad habbit to get into though.

[00:46]

iswm: it froze after the nand format..do another?

[00:46]

iswm: indeed. too bad is often necessary when hacking at the fw

[00:46]

listening to radio now

[00:47]

i just want to get my music onto the damn box!

[00:47]

let me try another hookup

[00:47]

take the brain out and hook it up

[00:48]

<iswm>

SmrtJustin, new one come in today?

[00:48]

iswm: no sadly

[00:48]

I really had my hopes up

[00:48]

<Rug>

yonkeltron: I guess it was busy when it froze?

[00:49]

SmrtJustin: take the brain out...and what?

[00:50]

yonkeltron: hook it to your computer

[00:50]

<iswm>

SmrtJustin, yeah, I would be really upset also. I had my hopes up as well, my neuros has met my expectations though, no problems with it yet. Such a shame other people are having these problems.

[00:50]

SmrtJustin: how?

[00:50]

froze in diagnoses mode!

[00:50]

<Rug>

SmrtJustin: I forgot - what's wrong with yours?

[00:50]

yonkeltron: you dont have a USB2

[00:51]

Rug: it stopped noticing the backpack, then later it froze, and I couldnt get it to come back on

[00:51]

SmrtJustin: course i do

[00:51]

<Rug>

yonkeltron: Are you using unofficial firmware?

[00:51]

better go to sleep, see you all. and good luck to all having trouble with their bricks

[00:51]

yonkeltron: then take the brain off and hook the backpack to your computer...

[00:52]

SmrtJustin: gimme a sec

[00:53]

SmrtJustin: ok where to i plug this in?

[00:53]

the little usb port, and the usb port on your computer?

[00:53]

you have Neuros II right?

[00:54]

nite all

[00:54]

night

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SmrtJustin: should be what i have....just says neuros though

[00:54]

how would i check for sure?

[00:54]

the backpack and the brain have diff usb hookups!

[00:55]

yeah...

[00:55]

dont tell me you've been using the brain's hookup?

[00:55]

SmrtJustin: no

[00:55]

it was attached to the backpack

[00:55]

but i cannot attach it to the brain

[00:55]

yeah hook the cable to the backpack and the usb port on your computer

[00:55]

then you can get your music off it

[00:56]

wait....so u need the brain detached from the backpack in order to get it to work?

[00:56]

i cannot even get music on to it

[00:56]

no, but you'll get the music on/off faster w/out the brain

[00:58]

grr I cant find this one song's title...

[00:58]

SmrtJustin: autofs still does not recognize it

[00:58]

yonkeltron: are you using linux or windows?

[00:58]

cannot even figure out the device it's mounted on

[00:58]

SmrtJustin: linux

[00:58]

Where does sorune look for my Neuros device? I mounted /dev/sda1 on /mnt/neuros and sorune still says that it's not there.

[00:58]

use -t vfat

[00:58]

<iswm>

yonkeltron, before you attach your neuros, do a ls /dev, then attach it, then ls /dev again

[00:59]

mount: mount point /mnt/neuros does not exist

[00:59]

iswm: how am i going to know the difference?

[00:59]

blizzow: look for: lastlocation = in your .sorunerc

[00:59]

i have so many devices!

[00:59]

<iswm>

yonkeltron, see if anything like /dev/sd?1 or /dev/ud?1 shows up

[00:59]

yonkeltron: mkdir /mnt/neuros

[01:01]

ok wait...maybe that worked

[01:01]

so for ndbm i put /mnt/neuros for device path not /dev/sda1?

[01:01]

removed the # sign and added lastlocation = /mnt/neuros to .sorunerc and restarted it. Made sure to chmod +777 /mnt/neuros and it's still not seeing the neuros, even though I can list the contents of /mnt/neuros.

[01:02]

<iswm>

yonkeltron, yeah, after you've mounted /dev/sda1 to /mnt/neuros

[01:02]

blizzow: /mnt/neuros has sn.txt and version.txt right?

dinner time

bbl

yes.

sn.txt and version.txt are both there.

[01:04]

iswm: ok getting somewhere! ndbm recognized the neuros but was not able to create a new database

[01:04]

blizzow: getting somewhere also!

[01:04]

<iswm>

yonkeltron, ok, sounds like it may be a permission problem. Try running ndbm as root.

[01:04]

iswm: would a chmod help?

[01:05]

i made it all 777

[01:05]

<iswm>

yonkeltron, you may have to mount it differently. I made an fstab entry for mine.

[01:05]

<iswm>

/dev/uba1 /mnt/neuros vfat sync,user,noauto,umask=0 0 0

[01:05]

<iswm>

Then I just mount /mnt/neuros

[01:06]

<iswm>

And can access it as user

[01:06]

iswm: it is not giving me a permission error

[01:06]

some crap about a missing file and dir

[01:06]

should i create them?

[01:06]

/mnt/neuros/audio/audio.mdb is missing

[01:07]

<iswm>

Does it give you an option to create them?

[01:07]

chmod +777 /mnt/neuros isn't changing the directory permissions, any ideas?

[01:07]

blizzow: looks like we are making an fstab entry

[01:08]

iswm: been awhile since i did this...a lil help here?

[01:08]

<iswm>

yonkeltron, just edit /etc/fstab as root.

[01:08]

iswm got it

[01:08]

<iswm>

Adding a line similar to the one I pasted.. Except it would be /dev/sda1 in your case.

[01:10]

iswm: if i change noauto to auto will autofs mount it on site?

[01:10]

<iswm>

Not sure, haven't tried.

[01:11]

iswm: i'll look it up first

[01:11]

iswm: ok fstab updated. what now?

[01:12]

<iswm>

yonkeltron, mount /mnt/neuros

[01:12]

will my neuros always display do not disconnect if my neuros is mounted?

[01:12]

iswm: should i umoint first?

[01:12]

<iswm>

yonkeltron, yeah

[01:12]

<iswm>

blizzow, yes

[01:13]

iswm: device is busy

[01:14]

<iswm>

yonkeltron, when you umount /dev/sda1?

[01:14]

iswm: got it!

[01:14]

iswm: restarting ndbm

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<iswm>

Ok, cool

[01:15]

iswm: worked this time

[01:15]

iswm: ok off to a better start now

[01:15]

<iswm>

Right on

[01:15]

<Rug>

In Windows 2000, my Neuros can be connected via USB and still let me disconnect it. After a period of inactivity, the "Do not disconnect" warning disappears.

[01:15]

blizzow: how u makin out? i just got things working aight

[01:18]

iswm: ok so i have a directory with alot of music in it....if i include that as a dir to be synced...will it only sync the supported files or everything in there?

[01:20]

<iswm>

Supported files

[01:20]

iswm: good. otherwise i'd find myself with alot of video and even more text!

[01:20]

iswm: i keep my ebook library and my music and my movies together

[01:20]

easy backup

[01:21]

<iswm>

*.mp3, *.ogg, and *.wma, and *.wav is what it will transfer.

[01:22]

good. no html or .sxw or whatever...ok

[01:22]

so how do i identify the songs in my library without tags?

[01:23]

<iswm>

If it can't find tags it shows up on the neuros as its file name.

[01:24]

and then u hit the handprint button (is that hisi?) and it tries to figure it out next time

[01:24]

?

[01:25]

<iswm>

HiSi is defunct at the moment, but what it used to do was get a "footprint" of a song, a 30 second recording, then it would connect to a database and try and identify the clip.

[01:26]

<iswm>

But the partner company split or something, so that's not working currently.

[01:39]

how do I do a manual if it won't power up. It just locked on the charging screen

[01:43]

do a manual shut down?

[01:43]

manual reset, that is.

[01:43]

yeah, I guess. I'm not getting any activity on my screen.

[01:44]

Now it's just blank after pulling it off the backpack

[01:44]

so it wont turn back on?

[01:44]

correct.

[01:44]

uh oh

[01:44]

try pressing: 1+5+HiSi

[01:46]

any other suggestions?

[01:46]

tried up + play

[01:46]

anyone else around?

[01:47]

plug it in and see if it'll turn on

[01:49]

no dice

[01:51]

hmm

[01:51]

when I had this problem I had to send mine back

[01:52]

but wait till someone comes around that knows more than me

[02:02]

iswm: that sucks...i want hisi!

[02:03]

I heard it didnt work that good anyways

[02:11]

umm if i pushed cancel in the middle of a transfer...is that bad?

[02:16]

SmrtJustin: good call with taking the brain out

[02:16]

iswm: so can u give me a little help with ndbm?

[02:18]

<iswm>

Yeah, what do you need?

[02:18]

iswm: well firstly..is there a way to arrange diff tracks before u sync with neuros?

[02:19]

<iswm>

What do you mean exactly?

[02:19]

nvm....ok what about playlists...is there a way to create playlists in the ndbm?

[02:20]

and then put them on the neuros?

[02:22]

<iswm>

Pretty sure you can, not exactly sure how.

[02:23]

iswm

[02:23]

<iswm>

I'm not really a playlist sort of person.

[02:23]

is playlist creation easy on the neuros? anyone?

[02:24]

<iswm>

Oh

[02:25]

<iswm>

In NDBM there is an "add tracks to playlist" button

[02:25]

ummm i just unplugged the neuros from my comp and it made a noise

[02:25]

didn't sound too hot

[02:25]

<iswm>

Did you unmount it first?

[02:25]

iswm

[02:26]

indeed i did

[02:26]

SmrtJustin: did they ship your replacement Neuros next day air?

[02:26]

<iswm>

Did you add a bunch of songs to it?

[02:26]

iswm yeah

[02:27]

OMG! the sound is sick! it's amazing

[02:27]

<iswm>

yonkeltron, yeah, it's probably just thinking.. Same thing happens with mine. It makes a bunch of hard drive noise and the little circle next to the battery icon blinks.

[02:28]

hehe

[02:28]

lol

[02:28]

well i dunno about that

[02:28]

have the brain out during transfer

[02:29]

SmrtJustin was right that is works better and saves time

[02:29]

crap dude...I LOVE IT@

[02:29]

i'm hooked

[02:30]

i'm sold!

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<eozl>

yonkeltron, what happened?

[02:31]

eozl: i bought a 40gb

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and i love it

[02:31]

it's working so well now

[02:31]

<eozl>

nice :)

[02:34]

having trouble using the joystick thing

[02:34]

pushing straght in is ok?

[02:35]

<iswm>

Well, you shouldn't really need to push straight in..

iswm: oh...

i get it!

wow

it's damn simple to use

[02:36]

<iswm>

Yeah

[02:38]

out of curiosity, what is the status of revamping/changing menu navigation in the beta freewares?

[02:38]

<iswm>

It's a great little device, probably the best buy I made in 2004.

[02:39]

<iswm>

nollidj, It's the same as the official stable version as far as I can tell really, just a few new things added to the main menu.

[02:40]

<Rug>

I didn't even know you _could_ push the joystick straight in.

[02:41]

hm

[02:41]

<Yono>

eozl: any luck finding PC equipment that feeds raw sound data?

[02:41]

<Rug>

nollidj: The only change in the GarBage firmware from the official 2.25 is an extra menu in Settings at the very bottom.

[02:41]

okay. thanks

[02:42]

i'm just hoping that at some point i can navigate through music on the unit in menus that are a little better than what is now available

[02:42]

this little thing is the shit!

[02:43]

<Rug>

Oh, and one other thing: NeuroCast Mode has three choices: Off, Auto Detect, and On. The last one is new.

[02:43]

<Rug>

yonkeltron: No kidding.

[02:43]

<iswm>

yonkeltron, glad you like it. =)

[02:43]

Rug: couldn't seem to find "on" for myfi

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<Yono>

GarBage: you work in the field of networking I believe, am I slightly correct?

[02:44]

<Rug>

yonkeltron: What firmware are you running?

[02:44]

uhhhh

[02:44]

Rug: how do i find that out?

[02:44]

<Rug>

Settings > Properties

[02:44]

<Rug>

If you don't know, it's probably 2.25, the last stable official one.

[02:45]

Rug: yeah 2.25.0137

[02:46]

so, how do people generally organize the tags for their music?

[02:46]

<Rug>

Okay. There's no "On" for MyFi in that version. The closest you can come is Auto Detect, because they would be violating FCC regulations if they let you broadcast with the headphones in.

[02:46]

lol

[02:46]

so the new version violates the FCC?

[02:46]

<Rug>

nollidj: Album, Artist, Date (4-digit year), Title, and Track Number (e.g. "4/12") tags, for me.

[02:47]

never liked powell's kid anyhow

[02:47]

<Rug>

yonkeltron: Yeah. Don't tell anyone.

[02:47]

Rug: slick!

[02:47]

<Rug>

=)

[02:47]

Rug: u have to have windows to update firmware?

[02:47]

hm. are there any solutions that people have for using more complex tagging schemes with the neuros? i'm still looking through sorune to see what it can do...

[02:47]

<eozl>

anyone know the reasoning behind not allowing broadcast+headphone?

[02:48]

<Yono>

FCC

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<Rug>

yonkeltron: Nope. The Neuros does the updating, the OS just transfers the firmware over.

[02:48]

<iswm>

Silly FCC, why don't they allow headphones + broadcasting?

[02:49]

Rug: so us linux folks are totally supported?

[02:49]

<Rug>

yonkeltron: You bet.

[02:50]

iswm the dj cotnrols are really nice....to get the most out of em i bet u need headphones

[02:50]

Rug: Neuros r0x0r

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<Rug>

eozl: I think it's because the hardware is designed to use the headphones as antenna to help FM listening. Since it's designed that way, they're also used as antenna for FM broadcasting.

[02:50]

<Rug>

... so the transmitter is calibrated to be legal without headphones, and unusable with them.

[02:50]

<eozl>

NA did good by releasing the firmware

[02:50]

<Yono>

yes indeed

[02:50]

<Rug>

That is, until the firmware was released.

[02:50]

<Rug>

Yes, they did. I love them for it.

[02:50]

Rug: that doesn't make a whole lot of sense...i have done some radio work in my day. the FCC is very tight on it only because they have had the chance to

[02:50]

<eozl>

man, now all they need to do is use a chipset that we can run on open-source OSes and compilers X(

[02:50]

<Yono>

no comment

[02:51]

<Rug>

yonkeltron: Then maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. +)

[02:51]

<Rug>

=), rather.

[02:51]

look at tv...although regulated to death tv is less done over than radio is. radio has been around longer and because of it, unlce sam has more to say about it

[02:51]

<iswm>

eozl, yeah.. gcc would be nice. I was going to do some firmware hacing myself, but having to go into windows to do it is a huge turn off.

[02:51]

<iswm>

hacking*

[02:52]

<eozl>

I've decided to go part way: start with what interests me most (FM networking) and build PC simulations for baseband encoding and decoding, then hook it into an FM transceiver, and then get a neruos

[02:54]

<Yono>

lol

[02:54]

<Yono>

...and THEN get a neuros :-P

[02:54]

<iswm>

I got forced into windows for development at school also.. I had setup linux on a bunch of NICE new computers we just got, then we got our 8051 development boards in, and only windows based development tools were provided.

[02:55]

<eozl>

iswm, i feel your pain, we're rebuilding an SUV for hybridization, and all available core processing environments run windows only

umm it frose again

oh wait

nvm

<eozl>

we could build a micro-itx box but all the pcmcia and usb devices have only windows drivers

[02:56]

does it normally freeze for a sec when u use my-mix?

[02:59]

<Rug>

You mean the DJ controls?

[02:59]

<Rug>

No, that's not what you mean.

[02:59]

* Rug looks up MyMix

[03:00]

<Rug>

I've never used it, obviously.

[03:14]

ok, my neuros is acting really wierd. How do I do a hard reset while it's on?

[03:17]

ah

[03:18]

some revision of garbage's firmware has yes, no, and auto as options for myfi

[03:18]

for those wondering

[03:23]

<Rug>

blizzow: Up-Play.

[03:26]

<Yono>

iswm

[03:26]

<Rug>

nollidj: Yep. That's been in since 2.26.1.4 (October 16).

[03:26]

<Yono>

its not as bad as u made it seem

[03:27]

<Yono>

you can doo all the coding in linux, then copy it over to windows and run the makefile and ur done on windows

[03:27]

<Rug>

Yono: How'd your experiments with clock speeds go?

[03:28]

<Yono>

I'd tell you, but I can't do the constant compiling nessesary to test

[03:28]

<Yono>

my compiler expired :(

[03:28]

<Rug>

Oh yeah. =(

[03:29]

<Yono>

the worst part of eval software

[03:29]

<Rug>

I know.

[03:34]

hmm... does the compiler work at all under (some fork of) wine?

[03:37]

<Rug>

I think GarBage is working on it, but hasn't made it to work yet.

[03:47]

<Rug>

Does anybody know where I can download the source? NeurosAudio.com took it down for some reason, and I'm not about to browse through the CVS tree of the Neuros Firmware project.

[03:47]

<Rug>

Firmware source, that is. Any version will do.

[03:49]

Rug: JUst do a cvs checkout of which ever version you want .. I would guess that'll be the simplest way

[03:50]

<Rug>

What CVS software would you recommend (for Windows)?

[03:53]

Rug: I just use the one that comes with cygwin,.. sorry but I've never used any other ones...

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<Rug>