Log from #neuros IRC channel

<@edbgon>

id like to do that

<@edbgon>

but..

<@edbgon>

im in the stockholm airport

<DeepB>

leaving or on arrival?

<@edbgon>

departure

<@edbgon>

waiting for the flight to amsterdam

<@edbgon>

it is 1:20 now... flight leaves at 6:50

<@edbgon>

im having the time of my life

[01:20]

<DeepB>

nice

[01:20]

<DeepB>

it's 1:20 here also

[01:20]

ouf, my clock must be broken

[01:21]

<@edbgon>

im camping in the airport :-D

[01:21]

<@edbgon>

i found what i believe to be the only existing power outlet ;)

[01:23]

<DeepB>

got a cam with you?

[01:25]

<@edbgon>

yep

[01:25]

<@edbgon>

not webcam

[01:25]

<@edbgon>

regular digital camera

[01:26]

<DeepB>

send us some pics of those nordic women dude ;)

[01:26]

images.google.com

[01:28]

<DeepB>

nollidj: :(

[01:29]

<DeepB>

nollidj: the guy is bored, i'm telling him something to do

[01:29]

ahh, well

[01:30]

<DeepB>

tomorrow he'll be stoned to hell, so who cares

[01:30]

<DeepB>

;)

[01:31]

<@edbgon>

sorry no nordic women in sight

[01:31]

<@edbgon>

seems to be some mediterranean people

[01:32]

<@edbgon>

be back later, my bum hurts from this damn bench

[02:07]

* chreekat waves

[02:15]

So, some posts say the Neuros has a TMS320DA150 DSP, and others say it has a DSP from the TMS320C54X family. Can someone reconcile this for me?

[02:16]

I spoke with someone who knows something of embedded devices and he reasoned that "TMS320DA150" might be some specially-built version for Neuros Audio.

[02:16]

But, I thought I'd check that out.

[02:18]

it's a C54x decendant - possibly a custom-made one

[02:18]

(I know, cuz the compiler target is C54x)

<unknown_lamer>

It's optimized for audio

k

<unknown_lamer>

At least the TI press releases back in the day made it seem that way.

<unknown_lamer>

It's target was mp3 playing headunits and stuff.

[02:23]

that part says: DVC5416GGu

[02:24]

*sniffle* press releases are teh suck

[02:24]

<DeepB>

TMS3205416@120Mhz

[02:25]

there ya go :)

[02:27]

DeepB: where'd that info come from, out of curiosity?

[02:27]

<DeepB>

sorry, i missed a C somewhere

[02:28]

right, I caught that. :)

[02:28]

* JoshMalone puts his Neuros back together

[02:28]

haha

[02:29]

* chreekat was wondering about the statement "that part says..."

[02:30]

I pop my N open all the time

[02:30]

But it looks like a custom spin to me

[02:31]

"spin" sounds like jargon I'm not familiar with

[02:31]

<DeepB>

i bet it is a cheaper chip somewhat 'pirated' from the TI ones

[02:31]

"spin" - engineer jargon for "a smallish production run"

[02:32]

DeepB: agreed - it's the el-cheapo PBGA packaging; nothing that looks like what TI would use

So they're using a 'generic' chip?

perhaps not comepletely pirated; licensed perhaps

ah

but that's just a guess

[02:35]

You can see the chip in picture here lupavista.org

[02:35]

it's the smaller square one, above and to the left of the Xilinx

[02:37]

<DeepB>

it will be the third time i paste this, but you weren't on the channel, so it doesn't make me feel bad...

<DeepB>

DeepB: THAT RULEZ!

<DeepB>

i know ;)

[02:40]

hehe

[02:41]

I wish we had one of those on our boards

[02:41]

(www.applieddata.net

[02:42]

<DeepB>

hehehe

<DeepB>

"... Microsoft's prestigious Embedded "Partner of the Year" ..."

yeah - whatever

I work for the Linux team

Has anyone ordered docs from TI? I wonder what costs are involved

[02:48]

that minty is quite a piece of work

[02:48]

too complicated for me, though

[02:49]

I'll just continue with my home stereo mp3 deck

[02:49]

<DeepB>

humm... my soldering skills won't stand a chance either

[02:50]

<DeepB>

but it's sooo cool :)

[02:51]

I know - I've moved SMT resisters before, but not a whole IC

[02:52]

our rework woman at the main office could do it....wonder if she'd let me use the station? :)

[02:52]

<DeepB>

humm.. you could trade it for sex

[02:52]

<DeepB>

;)

[02:54]

LOL

[02:54]

I don't think so....no

[02:56]

<DeepB>

i'm gone

[02:56]

<DeepB>

bye

l8r

<unknown_lamer>

?

<unknown_lamer>

It's my cell phone.

[05:32]

<wacky_>

hey guys :) what's going on with this open source firmware since it first started ?

[05:32]

<wacky_>

did any user benefit from it being open source ?

<wacky_>

I own an iRiver H-120.. and soon there may be an open source firmware for it, the Rockbox (rockbox.org)

yes... try out neuros-firmware.sourceforge.net

<wacky_>

I was wondering what you guys think about all this ?

there is work under way to let gcc compile to the neuros

[05:34]

and the open firmware exists and is good

[05:34]

<wacky_>

how is it compiled right now, if gcc can't do it ?

[05:34]

<wacky_>

some proprietary compilers ?

yeah, texas instruments has a compiler

you can get a free trial version, but it is windows-only and will expire

<wacky_>

Where's a list of features the open firmware has ?

night all

it's in the wiki. look for the changelog

wacky_: your gonna have to read the whole changelog sadly

<wacky_>

GarBageChangelog ?

yep

[05:36]

<wacky_>

what do you guys think about the Rockbox ? do you know it a little ?

[05:37]

I just looked at the features, seems nice

i am not really familiar with it, except people have mentioned it on the neuros forums...

<wacky_>

do you think it was a good move from Neuros, open sourcing their firmware ?

i do, yes

<wacky_>

and did they do it in a respectful manner ? or did they just throw everything there.. without support ?

they are pretty good about interacting with the community on the forums at www.neurosaudio.com

[05:39]

i basically lurked around there waiting for the features of the neuros to match what i wanted in a music player, and now i've bought a unit and am no longer lurking

[05:39]

well night

[05:39]

goodnight

[06:37]

in the NSM, what is the "Sequence" column?

[07:47]

well... anyone awake?

[07:50]

barely

ah

you got any information on nesting submenus on the neuros?

fraid not

ah well

i'll keep trying to put it together

[09:47]

<nero_on_java>

god, this java IRC gateway sucks

[21:12]

good evening, anyone around ?

[21:24]

<DeepB>

evening, nero

[21:24]

hi

[21:25]

DeepB: the UP+PLAY and DOWN+PLAY key combos are implemented into the bootloader, in your opinion, or into the main app ?

[21:25]

or elsewhere ?

[21:26]

<DeepB>

bootloader, my guess

[21:26]

my too, but then, what would happen if one redefines them in the main app ?

[21:26]

if that's even possible

[21:27]

<DeepB>

dunno

[21:27]

down+play seems to be already defined there, if the main app is running

[21:29]

mmmh, i was wondering these things, because if these 2 functions are always available, one can be quite sure in the sick experimental things that can be done to the firmware.

[21:29]

i mean, with the 2 combos, there's always a way out

[21:30]

well, i'll find out soon enough

[21:30]

<DeepB>

i think HiSi + Down (or smthing like that) saved me a while ago

[21:30]

what does that do ?

<DeepB>

wakes up with the 2nd bootloader

<DeepB>

a backup one

you have lost me there, is there a second one ?

<DeepB>

yeah

am i safe in trying that ?

<DeepB>

i won't answer that dude ;)

well, ok. i tried, but nothing happened

<DeepB>

i was told to do that by mgao when i screwed mine

<DeepB>

but maybe it was a completely different combo

[21:33]

<DeepB>

i could search my inbox if you're really interested

[21:33]

yeah, if you can do that, i'd appreciate it

[21:34]

got to take the potatos away from the pot. be back in a minute

[21:35]

<DeepB>

mgao said:

[21:35]

<DeepB>

Reconnect backpack, try HiSi+DOWN and see if the second copy of bootloader is still available....

[21:36]

mmh, then in my case it probably means it isn't

[21:36]

anyone know how the neuros gets the length of the time? is that in the DB, or does it read the file?

<DeepB>

SmrtJustin: File -> SyncManager -> DB -> Neuros

gets the length of the song*

DeepB: ?

so its the syncmanager that puts the song length in the DB

?

<DeepB>

you got it

so if I rebuild my DB will that fix my time problems?

DeepB: ah, i managed to do it. it was just a matter of pressing DOWN before HiSi. nice to know there's another escape route

my times are off

my one song said it was 7 hours.

quite a bit off, indeed

just one case, or more than one ?

yeah, some are less than 10 secs, but others are hours off

quite a few are off

Other than that my neuros is working very well

If it stays working another week I may try the opensource firmware...

SmrtJustin: have you tried a different sync manager ?

but I'm kind of afraid to

nerochiaro: I've been using ndbm

v. 1.48

SmrtJustin: well, give a shot to sorune, it might be worth the trouble if your db gets fixed, no '

?

<DeepB>

SmrtJustin: i've updated my sources and binaries of sorune, it now does that "The" thing

I dont like how sorune does my menus and organizes the files on the disk though...

DeepB: cool, but will it turn my menus spanish?

DeepB: can you edit it to put the files in a certain place?

<DeepB>

look for the config file, and rename them as you wish

like: music/"Artist"/"Album"/"Songs"

<DeepB>

or do a diff against official sources and build one to your liking

DeepB: where can I get your version?

<DeepB>

SmrtJustin: on the same place where you got it last time

DeepB: i knew you were going to give him the geek's answer, sooner or later :)

DeepB: "rebuild your own"

modifying its probably over my head...

neuros-firmware.sourceforge.net

<DeepB>

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: i like the sound of it :)

[21:45]

brb

[21:45]

DeepB: it wasn't meant as a negative comment. i often give that answer myself

<DeepB>

;)

back

<DeepB>

don't worry, i know

whats unix program to extract those...

[21:47]

whats the*

[21:47]

damn, i must have some kind of curse on myself that makes me fail all my tries to find and use a decent C cross-reference program

[21:48]

<DeepB>

SmrtJustin: follow the white rabbit... err.. orange links

[21:48]

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: what's wrong with ctags?

[21:49]

DeepB: i like it, but chokes badly on macros

[21:49]

can't backtrace to a macro definition even if i threaten it with a loaded gun

[21:49]

<DeepB>

hehe

[21:50]

<DeepB>

i've found UltraEdit + CTAGS + Search in Project, a killer combo for win32 source editing

[21:50]

7z, I forgot what the command was

<DeepB>

also like SciTE

DeepB: that's my setup exactly :) and it's the best i could find so far.

scite is nice

a little bit too barebones for my taste thoug

<DeepB>

i just can't live without 'Column mode'

<DeepB>

;)

oh another thing I dont like about sorune, it wont find the new songs and just copy them over

ever tried sourcenav ? it seems promising, but somehow chokes on unix/win32 newlines, opens up all the files in a sick way

but I know that doesnt affect you because you use rsync

DeepB: column mode is the best thing after sex

DeepB: well, more or less

[21:54]

<DeepB>

nero: could i quote you on that? ;)

[21:54]

<DeepB>

*may

[21:54]

anyone use positron?

[21:55]

DeepB: sure, with the "more or less" in, though ;)

[21:55]

<DeepB>

dl'ing sourcenav...

maybe I should try using positron to rebuild my db

checking again my dinner for well-cooking. be back later

cya

<DeepB>

l8r

[22:05]

<DeepB>

funny...

<DeepB>

lol

eww positron is slow...

[22:23]

DeepB: anyway to make your sorune do error messages in english?

[22:23]

* DeepB is rolling back history

[22:24]

<DeepB>

or do a diff against official sources and build one to your liking

[22:24]

I'm not real good with diff

[22:24]

how do I use it: diff file1 file2 ?

[22:25]

<DeepB>

yeah, that's a way

[22:25]

<DeepB>

man should tell you more

[22:25]

<DeepB>

are you on *nix?

[22:26]

yeah

[22:26]

oh crap, you have it add numbers to the song tags...

[22:26]

<DeepB>

yeah, i do

[22:27]

but its a ndbm problem with the song lengths because sorune doesnt do it

[22:28]

<DeepB>

you could try kdiff3 or kompare if you're on KDE, dunno of any gnome replicas

[22:28]

but theres a lot of differances because your version is written in spanish

[22:28]

no, I dont have kde or gnome installed

[22:29]

<DeepB>

well imediff2 uses ncurses, then

[22:29]

I figured out diff

[22:30]

what files do I want to diff, mainlib.pm?

[22:30]

<DeepB>

all of them

[22:30]

<DeepB>

some changed, some did not

[22:31]

this isnt going to work, are versions are pretty differant since yours is spanish

[22:31]

our*

[22:32]

I find it odd that my neuros charged in 2 hours...

[22:33]

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: sourcenav is insultingly fast ... i'm amazed

[22:39]

hmm yeah its a bug in ndbm

[22:44]

good shabbos!

[22:44]

DeepB: sourcenav is indeed fast as hell. but does it work fine for you, regarding that newline problem i mentioned

[22:44]

?

[22:48]

<DeepB>

i've set it that to auto

[22:48]

<DeepB>

and no problems so far

[22:49]

before parsing the files

[22:49]

?

[22:52]

i have tried everything, and still the files, when i open them inside sourcenav appear with each newline replaced by a double newline

[22:52]

so when i jump to a symbol, it lands off-base of line/2

[22:53]

newline mode set to "auto", or "unix"... same thing

[22:54]

DeepB: what do you use when you're on windows to do checkouts ?

[22:55]

DeepB: ok I'm messing with my sorune source, and it looks like you added this: $tag =~ s/^(the)(\ +)(.+)/\3,\2\1/i;

[22:55]

what exactly does that do, for I dont know perl at all

it's a regex, it puts "the" at the end of whatever comes after it

<eozl>

SmrtJustin, enjoy www.itlab.musc.edu

alright cool, but for some reason after adding that my sorune now puts the numbers in front line DeepB's.

that to my*

<iswm>

SmrtJustin, so everything's been going ok with this one?

iswm: so far so good

<iswm>

Lucky number 3 heh.

except it came w/ corrupted fw, but once I fixed that its been OK

[22:58]

I'm kind of afraid to change the fw now since its working so good.

[22:59]

SmrtJustin: you're afraid, but you shouldn't. you had hardware problems so far, changing the firmware is another matter

[22:59]

Think I should wait another week? just to be safe.

[23:00]

<iswm>

SmrtJustin, yeah, might as well wait and see if the hardware will hold up for a few more days; but changing firmware should really be a non-issue.

[23:00]

alright

[23:01]

SmrtJustin: of course, wait a while until you know you're on the safe side hardware-wise

[23:02]

i'll be away. later.

[23:09]

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: before indeed

[23:11]

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: sourcenav is rad.. it just need scintilla as the embedded source editor

[23:12]

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: and if you're talking about CVS checkouts, i'm using TortoiseCVS

[23:20]

<Yono>

DeepB: do you still have the doxygen files online?

<DeepB>

yeah

<DeepB>

www.elmundo.es

<Yono>

thanks

<DeepB>

that's just historic