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GarBage/DeepB has done it, but when I do it the same way I get an error message when running the compiled program, it works, it just is kind of annoying

[20:13]

well, it's a start, if nothing else.

[20:14]

yeah...

[20:14]

I tried using perl2exe, but that was less successful

[20:14]

maybe I can convince DeepB to compile mine for me... (probably not)

[20:18]

why not ? i don't know how is compiling perl, but if it's like compiling any other language, it's a few minutes at most.

[20:18]

I guess it doesnt hurt to ask...

[20:18]

it takes less than a few mins.

[20:35]

DeepB: you dont happen to be around do you?

guess not...

hey everyone

hi

hi yono

<Yono>

hey nerochiaro

[21:02]

<Yono>

what's up

[21:02]

any linux users out there?

[21:03]

Yono: nothing much interesting, i have been quiet on the neuros hacking front for some days.

[21:03]

<Yono>

that's alright

[21:03]

sorune: plenty, but probably not any of them is online now

[21:04]

<Yono>

I'm trying to get my dlink pcmcia card working on my laptop in linux, but I'm missing a component

[21:04]

<Yono>

are any of you firmiliar with wireless-tools?

[21:04]

nope, all wired here

[21:04]

<Yono>

I still have FC2, so I have an old version of the wireless-tools

[21:05]

<Yono>

I'm considering upgrading, but I mighteswell try a different version

[21:05]

<Yono>

I find installation too much of a pain at this point on fedora

[21:05]

really? why?

[21:06]

<Yono>

I keep getting errors when I try to install the nessesary wireless-tools package

[21:06]

<Yono>

:(

[21:06]

I just installed that lol

[21:07]

<Yono>

really?

[21:07]

<Yono>

yay

[21:07]

yeah

[21:07]

does it bomb out, or just skip that package?

[21:07]

<Yono>

aborts

[21:07]

yikes, that's no good

[21:08]

<Yono>

I'll go boot up the laptop and get the error

[21:08]

<Yono>

I really should update to core 3 at some point...

[21:09]

yeah, it's pretty good

[21:09]

<Yono>

yeah, I've been busy lately though

[21:09]

redhat is finally usable again. :)

[21:09]

<Yono>

that can be helpful

[21:10]

justin: you on linux now?

[21:12]

I tried linux.. It was ok..

[21:12]

<Yono>

ok sorune, I have the error

[21:13]

<Yono>

Failed dependencies:

[21:13]

<Yono>

libc.so.6()(64bit) is needed by wireless-tools-26-0.1.fc2.dag

[21:14]

<Yono>

there's a list of 5, but that is the jist of it

[21:17]

<Yono>

anyone here?

[21:18]

just me

[21:18]

sorry, i'm back

[21:18]

<Yono>

ok

[21:18]

do you have yum installed

[21:18]

<Yono>

yeah

[21:18]

try installing the package with that

[21:18]

it will find and install all dependancies

[21:18]

<Yono>

yum -?

[21:19]

i figured you'd ask me that...

[21:19]

<Yono>

:)

[21:19]

i can't remember the syntax

[21:19]

<Yono>

ok, I'll run yum --help

[21:19]

<Yono>

thanks

[21:19]

or the manpage

[21:20]

<Yono>

hmm, I don't know how to get it to upgrade from an RPM instead of the servers

[21:20]

<Yono>

I'll keep trying

[21:21]

did you try "yum install <package>"

[21:22]

<Yono>

hmm, I'll do that after yum finishes whatever its doing

[21:24]

<Yono>

wow, lots of updating nesessary

[21:24]

<Yono>

I'm out of the loop :-P

[21:25]

:)

[21:25]

sorune: yeah I'm on linux

[21:26]

can you run a command for me and tell me the output?

oh, what distro?

gentoo

sure

pick any filesystem, neuros preferably and run "df -k <file system>"

[21:29]

so if your neuros is mounted a /mnt/neuros, run df -k /mnt/neuros

[21:29]

hang on let me mount my neuros

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<Yono>

that displays the status of disk space on file systems, right?

[21:30]

yep

[21:30]

/dev/sda1 19525440 9776848 9748592 51% /mnt/usb

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can I unmount it now?

[21:30]

yes, thanks!

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np

[21:31]

oops, did you run 'df -k /mnt/usb'?

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or just df -k and extract the /mnt/usb line?

[21:33]

i guess it doesn't matter, probably the same output...

[21:33]

I did df -k /mnt/usb

[21:33]

Just install windows 98se and be happy!

ok, thanks

eww Windows

and even worse 98

98se does not lead to nirvana for me

[21:34]

<Yono>

=-O yum update is STILL running

good grief

u on a p90?

:)

<Yono>

lol, no

[21:35]

<Yono>

I just haven't run it for....6 months I believe

[21:35]

lol

[21:35]

what distro?

[21:35]

<Yono>

fedora core 2

[21:35]

<Yono>

laugh it up

[21:35]

oh, if you let gentoo go that long, it would probably take a day

[21:36]

<Yono>

lol

[21:36]

does gentoo come with a base install now

[21:36]

or do you still have to compile everything?

[21:36]

theres a base install

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its called a stage 3

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i might have to give that a try

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I love gentoo

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i've heard good things about it

[21:37]

its great

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<Yono>

sorune, what are you using now?

[21:37]

and if you dont like compiling everything, my brother uses arch, and its pretty nice

[21:37]

at this very moment, i'm on a mandrake box

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I like mandrake...

[21:37]

<jbn>

Has anyone tried plugging a Neuros HD-based device into a system running Ubuntu or Fedora Core 3? If so, did the Neuros come up as a mounted volume in GNOME without having to tweak any config files or issue commands from the command line? I'm asking because I work at a local radio station and I'd like to record some shows to 44.1kHz WAV files using a Neuros device (I'm not sure which one yet) which has line-in.

[21:38]

<jbn>

I'd like the WAV file download to be as simple as possible for the users at the radio station.

[21:38]

<Yono>

wait

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goin to the store guys... ttyl

[21:39]

<Yono>

u want it to be a simple file download, but ur using linux at the station?

[21:39]

sj: l8r

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<Yono>

damnit!, no upgrades available for wireless-tools

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* Yono sighs

[21:40]

<jbn>

Yono: Some users are using GNU/Linux (Fedora Core 3 and Ubuntu, specifically) and they find it quite easy to use. But plugging in USB HDs and memory sticks only recently became very easy to do.

[21:41]

<Yono>

true

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<jbn>

Therefore, I'd like to know if plugging in a Neuros HD-based device is as easy as other devices I've dealt with (my USB HD case, my Cruzer memory stick, etc.).

[21:41]

there's tools to do automounting of usb drives, but i don't think fc3 comes that way by default

[21:42]

<jbn>

sorune: it does. FC3 will show them on the desktop and in the "Computer" Nautilus window.

[21:43]

cool!

[21:43]

<jbn>

sorune: but you might have to turn on a preference (Preferences->Removable storage) to get more than that just by plugging something in.

[21:44]

<jbn>

sorune: Turning on the preference is as simple as clicking a checkbox. It's a simple one-time operation. Right now I'm downloading to my USB HD (actually a general-purpose USB external case with an old FAT32-formatted 20GB HD in it).

[21:44]

<Yono>

hmm

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<Yono>

well, I found wireless_tools.tar.gz online

[21:44]

<Yono>

extracted it, ran make and make install, and and going to hope it worked

[21:45]

yono: i'm surprised yum couldn't install it, maybe it's database is messed up

[21:46]

<Yono>

could be

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<jbn>

So, anyone here have any practical experience using a Neuros HD-based device with FC3 or Ubuntu?

[21:46]

<Yono>

but w/e

[21:46]

<Yono>

Usb 1.1 or 2.0?

[21:46]

<Yono>

USB 2.0 works exactly like a portable HD

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jbn: are you trying to do the record and see the file with your computer at the same time?

[21:47]

<Yono>

AmericanTechpush: congrats on accepting credit cards

[21:47]

<jbn>

If the USB 2.0 Neuros devices are mass storage devices, I'll focus on getting one of those. That would be great.

[21:47]

<Yono>

any chance you ship to puerto rico?

[21:47]

<Yono>

I have a friend there that wants a neuros badly

[21:48]

<Yono>

but doesn't trust most shippers

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<jbn>

sorune: No, recording the show with the Neuros not plugged into any computer (just a line-level stereo audio connection and possibly AC power). Then, after the show is done, I'll unplug the Neuros from the audio connection and plug it into a computer with USB (preferably USB 2.0), download the show, encode it, post it online.

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jbn: that shouldn't be a problem

[21:49]

Hi Yono

[21:49]

<jbn>

sorune: Do I understand correctly that the Neuros can record 44.1kHz stereo WAV files (uncompressed audio)? I don't want to record to MP3.

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<Yono>

hey Keith

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<Yono>

jbn: set it under settings

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jbn: yes it can

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Well only for select internional places

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<jbn>

sorune: fantastic.

[21:51]

<jbn>

Yono: okay, noted. The docs aren't quite as clear as I would like for those of us who have never used the Neuros before.

[21:52]

AmericanTechpush: i asked this to you the other day, but you didn't answer me, so i'll retry: do you sell the USB 2.0 cables for the neuros ?

[21:53]

<jbn>

Can the input volume level be manually adjusted and is there some kind of indicator to know how much I'll need to lower or raise the recording volume level?

[21:53]

<jbn>

And can I do this during recording, or just before I start the recording?

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jbn: gain can be adjusted during recording

yes

we can get them

Did you lose yours?

AmericanTechpush: no, but a replacement cable might come in handy when i'm not at home. for one or two of these cables, how much would it be to ship them to italy ?

[21:59]

About 16 dollars

[22:00]

its more then the damm cable

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AmericanTechpush: yes, it's really painful. i think i will live with just one cable for the moment, and get one when i really need it. nice to know your prices, anyway. thanks

[22:01]

Np

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<jbn>

sorune: thanks. Is there a gain indicator that is updated as the recording happens? It would be unfortunate to have to go through a cycle of (record, listen, adjust gain) to try and get things right (or approximately right).

[22:03]

jbn: yes, you can go from -20 to 20 I believe

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jbn: i don't do recording, but from previous exchanges here in chat about that topic, it seems that the controls for recording are not really something very professional and comfortable to use

[22:04]

jbn: i don't know what the scale is in terms of db

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jbn: read this log, might be interesting to you: www.loglibrary.com

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jbn: it goes on for a few pages after that

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AmericanTechpush.... how come the site doesnt have puerto rico in the STATE menu in the order form?

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marcos: are you a friend of Yono ?

yes

To be honest

I forgot to add it

oh

lol can u add it? i wanna order a neuros 2 soon

[22:09]

<jbn>

nerochiaro: thanks! I'll read that.

Ya give me a sec

jbn: no problem

marcos

is added

refresh the page

thnx

u dont sell any 128mb/20GB bundle anymore?

discontinued

there are no more

oh

word is that the 20gb will going next

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i better get one before they disappear :S

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If the 20gb is what you want

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the 30gb is still a much better value

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wow...it holds 7,000 :o...i think it holds more if they are OGG :P

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marcos: it all depends from the bitrate

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i always have em at 128k

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the benfit of ogg is that lower bit rates sound just as good or better then mp3 recorded at higher bitrates

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marcos: the mp3 or the vorbis ?

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the vorbis

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vorbis

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ah, ok. because a bitrate of 128 for mp3 is not that great

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for OGG it is ;D

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<DeepB>

hi, someone knows of such a gadget?

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<DeepB>

www.neurosaudio.com

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<DeepB>

??

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ogg is what most my songs are encoded at

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in

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DeepB: no idea, sorry

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DeepB: but i think it's hard to find one, usually the mpeg decoder boxes have their own disks

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DeepB: or read cd/dvd disks

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<eozl_>

i've often wanted something like this, i always would up deciding i needed a little computer there to do that

[22:44]

Is anybody excited about the mpeg recorder?

[22:44]

<eozl_>

mpeg recorder?

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<Yono>

DeepB: I think ivel|z has one

[22:45]

mpeg4 recorder that is coming out soon

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www.neurosaudio.com

[22:51]

will the next neuros have color screen for pic viewing?

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<eozl_>

what about a phasor for klingon-zapping

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At this momment there is plan for a color screen on the N mini (5gb) but nothing in stone and no details

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AmericanTechpush: the N mini you mentioned, will be still HD based i guess

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mini as in space or mini is in the neuros psysically?

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yes

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5gb

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and anyway, calling it "Neuros Mini" is somehow a kind of bowing down to king iPod to me

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not a smart move, IMHO

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we will see

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AmericanTechpush: HD based, ok, but with the small form factor hard disks i guess (smaller than the one used in the neuros currently)

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that would be smart indeed

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yes smaller form factor

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<jbn>

what form factor HD is used in HD Neuros devices now?

[23:02]

3.5 inches if i recall correctly

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2.5, sorry

[23:15]

DeepB: are you still around ?

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<DeepB>

yes?

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DeepB: i was poking in the help files for CCS, and i stumbled into an interesting read: docs/hlp/cc_c54xcgt.hlp

[23:34]

DeepB: there's docs about the format of the linker files

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DeepB: might help solve some of my problems. maybe it is of interest to you too

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nerochiaro-- did you get my memo?

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DeepB: would you mind doing me a favor?

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gernika: yep i got it

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gernika: but forgot about it until now

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gernika: tell me what format you need and i'll convert them to that format

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ok. what chat client do you use?

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<DeepB>

nerochiaro: thanks, i'll read it at some point

[23:42]

<DeepB>

SmrtJustin: shoot

[23:43]

would you compile my sorune source? I cant get mine to compile so I dont get the error message when I run it.

[23:44]

nerochiaro -- just use xchat format

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<DeepB>

SmrtJustin: put it somewhere where i can dl it, then

[23:44]

gernika: xchat format ? ok, i'll look at it tomorrow, and when i'm done i'll send them to you

[23:45]

smrtjustin.ath.cx

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DeepB: you want a ftp account so you can upload it when your done?

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nerochiaro -- ok deal

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DeepB: is it more work for you to include the GUI?

[23:49]

well bbl, I have dinner...

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<DeepB>

SmrtJustin: where do i put it?

[23:49]

hang on let me set you up an account on my server