Log from #neuros IRC channel

<noiz>

awesome, i think i got it working by trying a different usb port on my computer

hmn. ok

<noiz>

hub.c: new USB device 05:00.0-2, assigned address 2

<noiz>

scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices

<noiz>

Vendor: TOSHIBA Model: MK3021GAS Rev: GA12

<noiz>

Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02

<noiz>

Attached scsi disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0

<noiz>

SCSI device sda: 58605120 512-byte hdwr sectors (30006 MB)

<noiz>

/dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0: p1

<noiz>

WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured

<noiz>

USB Mass Storage device found at 2

<noiz>

thats dmesg

looks good

so now what if you try mounting /dev/sda ?

[04:26]

<noiz>

mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt/neuros

[04:26]

<noiz>

mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda,

[04:26]

<noiz>

or too many mounted file systems

are you able to mount other fat32 volumes?

<noiz>

dont have any other volumes

and also, try /dev/sda1

also try

cfdisk /dev/sda

(but don't make any changes)

<noiz>

the sda1 worked

<noiz>

now /mnt/neuros works

<noiz>

awesome

yeap

you will need a synchronization manager to load music onto it, but that should be straightforward

<noiz>

yeah, ive already got sorune and ndbm to work

<noiz>

thanks a lot

[04:29]

<noiz>

for helping me

[04:29]

no problem

[04:29]

<noiz>

and will that mount option allow a normal user to access the neuros?

[04:34]

<noiz>

so will "mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/neuros" as root allow other users to access the neuros?

[04:34]

you should put a line in /etc/fstab

[04:34]

something like:

/dev/neuros /mnt/neuros /vfat noauto,users,sync 0 0

be sure to mount it with the 'sync' option

so

mount -o sync -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/neuros

or include 'sync' in fstab

<noiz>

k

<noiz>

could you help me with one more thing?

<noiz>

compiling a perl module for sorune

i am here

which module?

<noiz>

perl tk module

sorune has the stuff it needs (besides perl-tk, i think) distributed with it

[05:09]

night all

[05:45]

<zack>

has there been any discussion of adding replaygain support to the neuros?

[11:38]

<erwan_taf>

hi all

[20:23]

<erwan_taf>

lo nerochiaro

[20:25]

hi

[20:25]

what's up ?

[20:27]

erwan_taf: did you try any open source build, yet ?

<erwan_taf>

nope :/

<erwan_taf>

I've been busy

<erwan_taf>

and still :)

<erwan_taf>

but this is on my todo asap list :)

[21:57]

mmmh, my neuros is taking approximately 15 seconds to recognize the hard disk. not good.

[22:17]

<Yono>

what VNC program do you guys suggest?

[22:17]

<Yono>

for windows

VNC client?

or server?

I use tightvnc

nerochiaro: chkdsk time?

[22:20]

<Yono>

server

[22:20]

<Yono>

this would be the computer I'd be controlling

[22:21]

is it fairly fast?

[22:27]

<Yono>

2.6 Ghz P4

[22:30]

JoshMalone: might be a good idea. but it's an intermittent problem

[22:31]

Yono, how can you use such a slow machine?

[22:31]

yono: tightvnc is great. especially the latest testing version coupled with the DFMirage hook driver

[22:31]

but it all depends on the speed of your connection, anyway

[22:32]

I've been using RealVNC for windows for years, works fine for me, even over slow connections

[22:32]

I haven't tried TightVNC yet

[22:33]

Xoring: tightvnc is based on realvnc, IIRC, plus some stuff (like the tight encoding)

[22:33]

<DeepB>

Yono: for windoze, UltraVNC

<DeepB>

wins hands down

DeepB: advantages ?

Nerochiaro: is it faster than RealVNC or just has more features?

<DeepB>

domain/local logon

<DeepB>

native driver a.l.a citrix or RDP

I've found tight to work well on fat machines (but it kills P-166)

... screw all this, Yono you want SSH

<DeepB>

tight compression optional

SSH is faster, more secure, and much much better

SSH is better than anything else

Xoring: hehe, but it's console based. not for everyone and everything

SSH doesn't support Windows DDI-forwarding :)

<DeepB>

Xoring: i kinda agree

<DeepB>

Xoring: www.nomachine.com

who cares about Widndows DDI-forwarding?

I use SSH all the time on Unix, though; X11 forwarding + agents rulez

<DeepB>

also, FreeNX rocks

SSH can do everything

I imagine Yono cares :)

[22:37]

<DeepB>

JoshMalone: try the X11 proxy in FreeNX

[22:37]

SSH alone > all of Windows

[22:38]

since there are experts of ssh here, i'll ask: is that normal that an ssh connection over adsl lines is so painfully slow that when i push a key it takes a noticeable delay (say, 0.25 seconds) to get to the other side ?

no

<zack>

absolutely not

never happens to me

<zack>

unless your isp sucks

not even when I have dialup on both ends

nerochiaro: SOunds like either 1) slow-ass machine on either end; or 2) high-latency ADSL

<zack>

i've definitely seen a 250ms delay with dialup

250ms is terrible even for dialup

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: you won't be able to online gaming, but tetris

maybe 250ms is too much, but i assure you it's damn noticeable

<DeepB>

*enjoy

[22:40]

that's like worse than 5GHz WAN

[22:40]

DeepB: I'll try it :)

[22:40]

<DeepB>

JoshMalone: that won't dissapoint you, i promise

[22:41]

<Yono>

ok back

[22:41]

my connection is not that bad, i can assure you, because when i use it directl (no ssh) like now, it's fast as it should be

[22:41]

<Yono>

sorry, no SSH, I need to control my windows box from my linux laptop and can't do all I need from a console

[22:42]

<DeepB>

Yono: try rdesktop

[22:42]

<DeepB>

it's a terminal services client

[22:42]

<DeepB>

and faster by far than any other VNC clone

DeepB: how to you turn on RDP for Windows XP, 2000 etc.

(for non-Server editions)

<DeepB>

you can't on 2k pro

dammit

<Yono>

DeepB: would I need to change my server to use that?

[22:44]

<DeepB>

nope, XP has it

[22:44]

<Yono>

ok, so UltraVNC server, rdesktop client?

[22:44]

<DeepB>

Yono: nope, turn on RDP on XP, i dunno exactly what's the label for it

<DeepB>

but it should be on the properties tab of My PC

DeepB: isn't that remote assistance, or something like that ?

<Yono>

yeah

<Yono>

that's checked already

<Yono>

would someone mind seeing if my comp still works with VNC?

<Yono>

I messed around with the router a lot over the weekend

Yono: IP?

* JoshMalone cackles

<Yono>

69-169-170-252

<Yono>

-=.

<DeepB>

Yono: didn't work here

<Yono>

:(

no ping-age :(

<Yono>

ok, back to the router cp

[22:50]

<Yono>

ohh, my port forwarding config has been reset :-P

so no one has any clue as what i could do to improve my ssh experience ?

<Yono>

I do!

<Yono>

pick me!

* nerochiaro picks Yono

[22:52]

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: and traceroute said?

[22:53]

nerochiaro: what's the systems on both ends?

on my end xp on the other i tried xp and win2003

nerochiaro: switch ISP, check ssh config, use linux

SSH into windows?

<Yon1>

sorry, did you get my message?

JoshMalone: yes, sshd in cygwin

that may be why

maybe the cygwin DLL is running slow :(

I always SSH into real *nix boxes

well, that might be the reason, then. not good

that would be like useing RealVNC through Wine... you could, but there are better native options

Xoring: native alternative to shh ? like ?

[22:56]

telnet

Xoring: nice joke

I think there are encrypted telnet daemons for windows

<Yon1>

how about now guys?

I've seen 'em but never used 'em

Yon1 I see you

<Yon1>

so you can get to the password input?

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: do you have a public RSA/DSA key?

nerochiaro: what does SSH do that an encrypted telnet daemon + ftp server couldn't do?

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: if you have one, paste it, and i'll let you in, to try this server

Yon1, what pssword input?

DeepB: i don't think i have one

<Yon1>

did you just ping me and thats it?

yea

[23:00]

Xoring: i didn't know that there were encrypted telnet demons. that's why my "nice joke" comment.

[23:01]

Nerochiaro: I know they exist, I don't now how secure they are compared to SSH

[23:02]

in a windows environment, you could create a secure VPN and use Windows telnet even

[23:02]

Xoring: i don't need extreme security for now, just an hard to snoop connection.

[23:03]

Xoring: so i will search for some of these encrypted telnet daemons

[23:23]

shit, my computer hard reset itself all of a sudden

[23:24]

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: blame the cat, you know it's his fault

<Yono>

did you get a chance to check your email?

Yono: one second, i was rebooting :(

<Yono>

its ok

DeepB: damn creature, i'll go thrash it

[23:26]

<Yono>

ok, I'll get something to eat then and be back in a little while

[23:28]

yono

[23:28]

you still there ?

[23:30]

<erwan_ho>

re

[23:31]

<erwan_ho>

nerochiaro: I'm making my first compilation

[23:32]

i'm crossing fingers for you

[23:32]

<erwan_ho>

first error :b

[23:32]

you have the howto on the wiki in front of you, yes ?

[23:33]

<erwan_ho>

yes

[23:34]

<erwan_ho>

reading each step carefuly

[23:35]

erwan_ho: and that doesn't solve the problem ?

[23:39]

<erwan_ho>

I wonder in the path from the makefile (OBJ_DIR) msut be absolute/relative from where ? cygwin ? current dir ? the whomle system ?

[23:40]

<erwan_ho>

from the whole system seems to be better :)

[23:54]

<erwan_ho>

I have a lot a F:/PROJECT/ ... in my the Neuros.paf & pjt

[23:54]

<erwan_ho>

is it usual ?

[23:55]

already there from the CVS sources, you mean ?

[23:56]

hi joe

[23:56]

hello everyone.

[23:56]

<Yono>

hey Joe, glad to see you made it

[23:57]

I came by for a group hug since I was feeling quite blue :)

[23:57]

actually, I figured I owed you all an explanation for yanking the source code.

[23:57]

sorry for the lack of communication on that

[23:58]

<erwan_ho>

nerochiaro: yes

[23:58]

JoeBorn: if you're feeling blue for the tone of my post, please excuse its harshness. i wasn't maybe unnecessarily rude

[23:58]

<erwan_ho>

nerochiaro: and the pjt is containing some wrong path .. i've changed it

<erwan_ho>

but after I run make-d.bat this file are messed !

no, that's ok. Yono communicated the intent of your post and I can't disagree with any of your points

<erwan_ho>

the CR\LF is no more good

<erwan_ho>

the last line I have is