[00:00]	<erwan_ho>	can't open file obj\audio.obj
[00:00]	<erwan_ho>	obviously the file is not built :/
[00:00]	<erwan_ho>	I'm looking for why
[00:00]	<erwan_ho>	I'm using garbage as you mention
[00:01]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: that's good to hear. it was meant as a constructive criticism, not as a way to say that you and your company are doing *everything* wrong
[00:01]	<Yono>	erwan_ho: make -f neuros200.mak
[00:01]	<erwan_ho>	northing appends
[00:01]	<erwan_ho>	it just shows me the version of make
[00:01]	<JoeBorn>	nerochiaro: I appreciate that, and understand it now.
[00:02]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: ok. so you were about explaining the reason for that sudden pull of the source ?
[00:02]	<JoeBorn>	I didn't want to post this on the site, since they are obviously monitoring it, and I don't want to create any ill will
[00:02]	<JoeBorn>	but TI's legal department contacted us.
[00:03]	<Yono>	that is what we had figured, or at least what DeepB thought
[00:03]	<JoeBorn>	I think it's a non issue. They weren't confrontational or anything, and I wanted to maintain that spirit of cooperation
[00:03]	<DeepB>	JoeBorn: actually we suspected it, we discussed this yesterday
[00:04]	<DeepB>	evening, btw
[00:04]	<JoeBorn>	so they asked us to temporarily take it down. It was december 24th or something like that and they said that the engineers wouldn't be
[00:04]	<JoeBorn>	back for a few days so they asked if we'd take it down in the meantime.
[00:05]	<JoeBorn>	we left some of the file headers on the files, and that's what they saw, but it should be clean.
[00:05]	<JoeBorn>	anyway, it's dragged on and we still haven't heard from them.
[00:05]	<DeepB>	so, you want us to remove the headers?
[00:06]	<JoeBorn>	yes, please do that if you could, that would be a big help.
[00:06]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: i see. so they basically don't know that the source is out on the sourceforge project too, right ?
[00:06]	<DeepB>	np, i'm doint it rite now
[00:06]	<JoeBorn>	they obviously don't even know about the existance of the source forge stuff
[00:07]	<JoeBorn>	as far as I know they've never even heard of sourceforge
[00:07]	<DeepB>	could anyone take care of the HEAD trunk?
[00:07]	<JoeBorn>	I did post something on OdNA and I will make an effort to make posts regularly there.
[00:08]	<nerochiaro>	that would go a long way in making odna feel a little less like "a ghost town of a site"
[00:09]	<DeepB>	now i'm happy for the SF project link on OdNA being almost unnoticeable ;)
[00:10]	<Yono>	Joe Born: yes, as I suggested, just an update once a month would be enough
[00:10]	<nerochiaro>	something like that, and also updates on important notices like this one
[00:11]	* erwan_ho  wonder why there is so much strange directory in the Neuros200* files
[00:11]	<erwan_ho>	d:\ti d:\MIS etc..
[00:11]	<erwan_ho>	should I fix all of them ?
[00:11]	<nerochiaro>	joe, one question out of curiosity: you had hired emmet plant to work in your staff. what happened of him ?
[00:13]	<JoeBorn>	Emmet's been gone for nearly two years.
[00:14]	<JoeBorn>	he's a great buy, I like Emmet a lot
[00:14]	<Yono>	Joe, one thing that would be a good addition to OdNA is if you have any old documents or abandoned research lying around, maybe uploading them
[00:15]	<JoeBorn>	it just didn't work out
[00:15]	<JoeBorn>	sure, what kind of stuff are you looking for?
[00:15]	<Yono>	I know that a few of us want to put point 18 of your patent to use ;)
[00:15]	<Yono>	18. The player of claim 11, which further includes means for transmitting and receiving digital data over short distances.
[00:16]	<JoeBorn>	we should release the source for the broadcasting stuff.
[00:16]	<JoeBorn>	let me talk to Michael about that.
[00:16]	<Yono>	yes, especially potentials like Linkit Ncast
[00:16]	<Yono>	whatever happened with that?
[00:17]	<JoeBorn>	that should be a pretty simple matter for you guys to enable that. I know it was allowed in a hidden mode
[00:17]	<JoeBorn>	it probably still is.
[00:17]	<Yono>	it still is
[00:17]	<Yono>	but its very buggy, I was wondering if the FCC made you give it up or something
[00:18]	<JoeBorn>	buggy, what do you mean?
[00:18]	<Yono>	it skips
[00:18]	<JoeBorn>	maybe I'm confused, what exactly do you mean by "Linkit Ncast?"
[00:18]	<Yono>	might just be my cord, but from my experience that is what seemed to happen
[00:19]	<Yono>	broadcasting an attached device
[00:19]	<Yono>	through the line-in port
[00:19]	<JoeBorn>	really, and that "skipped?"
[00:19]	<Yono>	yeah
[00:19]	<JoeBorn>	has anyone else experienced this skipping?
[00:20]	<JoeBorn>	on a completely different subject, I want to give you folks a heads up.
[00:20]	<JoeBorn>	We are going to be doing a Gamma Launch of the recorder in early Feb.
[00:21]	<JoeBorn>	we don't own the source for that device, but are working to get it released. it's based on the TI dsc25 chipset
[00:21]	<Yono>	I believe Keith said Mar 15 release, is that date still on?
[00:21]	<nerochiaro>	the mpeg recorder box, you mean ?
[00:21]	<JoeBorn>	which is a dual TI DSP and ARM7 processor
[00:22]	<JoeBorn>	yes, the mpeg recorder box. Yes the official launch will be Mar 15th, but the Gamma release will be early Feb.
[00:23]	<JoeBorn>	The Gamma release will be done on woot.com and will be a one time offer.
[00:23]	<JoeBorn>	then about a month later will start selling them regularly.
[00:24]	<JoeBorn>	This will be our first example of the power of the community and the open source stuff, so we're hoping it will serve as a good example
[00:24]	<Yono>	I guess you guys really trust woot now after they sold 500 of your old units in 5 hours :)
[00:25]	<JoeBorn>	well, it's a good outlet for creating a lot of awareness which is what we want to do with the Gamma launch.
[00:25]	<nerochiaro>	well, the *first* (speaking in the sense of time) example should really be the neuros firmware community ;)
[00:25]	<JoeBorn>	well, of course, I didn't really articulate that.
[00:26]	<nerochiaro>	np, i was just joking
[00:26]	<JoeBorn>	what I meant was the first example of working with another manufacturer and inducing someone else to release source code.
[00:26]	<JoeBorn>	then we want to parlay that example to induce others.
[00:26]	<Yono>	Joe, one more thing I wanted to ask you about, you asked me about a MythTV box a while ago, are you still considering that?
[00:26]	<nerochiaro>	that would be an important effort
[00:26]	<nerochiaro>	what's mythTV ?
[00:26]	<Yono>	it is very well open sourced and documented software
[00:27]	<Yono>	kind of like linux-tivo
[00:28]	<JoeBorn>	definately, I actually asked Paul Edwards to build me one. I bought him two sets of hardware, he keeps one and sends one back to us.
[00:28]	<erwan_ho>	freevo also exists
[00:28]	<Yono>	thats great news
[00:28]	<JoeBorn>	I'm embarrased to say that I've never used mythTV myself (although I don't watch much TV)
[00:29]	<JoeBorn>	if mythTV works as well as folks say, then we would definately port it.
[00:29]	<JoeBorn>	that's a no brainer.
[00:29]	<Yono>	now that would set a precident
[00:30]	<JoeBorn>	The first recorder will not have any kind of electronic programming guide and it obviously needs one.
[00:30]	<JoeBorn>	It would set a huge precident.
[00:30]	<Yono>	that could be added with software though, right?
[00:30]	<JoeBorn>	Now when I go to Asia, and promote open source concepts, everyone is very scared
[00:31]	<nerochiaro>	joe, another thing i wanted to ask you: any chance to get an answer on that idea i proposed of the USB 2.0 cable adapter ?
[00:31]	<JoeBorn>	but if we could show an example where we worked with Myth and piggybacked on their community, and actually embraced what they were doing
[00:32]	<JoeBorn>	and had this big sucess, it would speak loudly to the model.
[00:32]	<JoeBorn>	the USB 2.0 host idea?
[00:32]	<JoeBorn>	which idea?
[00:32]	<Yono>	Myth already seems to having a large community, if the device were easy enough for them to play around with, people definitely buy it to get started with MythTV
[00:33]	<Yono>	and in the long run it would be cheaper than tivo services and end up doing more
[00:33]	<nerochiaro>	no, not usb 2.0 host. the fact that since you use a proprietary cable it would be nice to have adapters that could allow us to use any standard cable to connect our neuros too
[00:34]	<JoeBorn>	oh, sorry I didn't see that.
[00:34]	<nerochiaro>	i posted something in the forums, i'm searching for the exact link to give you.
[00:34]	<Yono>	you won't keep a proprietary cable in future devices, will you?
[00:35]	<JoeBorn>	I can imagine no force on the planet earth that could ever cause me to use a proprietary cable during my lifetime
[00:36]	<JoeBorn>	I'm sure we'll make other mistakes, but we'll never make that one again.
[00:36]	<nerochiaro>	joe: read this: www.neurosaudio.com
[00:37]	<Yono>	are you guys allowed to release any more codec info?
[00:37]	<Yono>	I know DeepB (GarBage) has permission to it, but it would make new codecs easier to add if the community could see some of it
[00:41]	<JoeBorn>	I believe we can release the Ogg codec. I'm pretty sure we own that one. I need to check with the xiph folks.
[00:42]	<JoeBorn>	mp3 is probably more doubtful, and WMA is probably hopeless.
[00:43]	<Yono>	I don't think WMA would do us much good anyway ;)
[00:44]	<Yono>	eozl: I think I have found info to help MyWiFi if you are avaliable
[00:44]	<Yono>	www.radiotronix.com
[00:44]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: so, did you read that post on the USB cable ?
[00:45]	<JoeBorn>	yes "rivers of bad karma"
[00:46]	<nerochiaro>	:)
[00:46]	<JoeBorn>	has anyone looked at just replacing that connector on the board? I know it won't easily fit, but maybe it could be crammed in there?
[00:47]	<nerochiaro>	it's an idea. but i'm not really an hardware person, that's why i was asking for a less "intrusive" solution
[00:47]	<Yono>	actually, I think I'm the only one here with a surface mounted usb backpack
[00:47]	<Yono>	so it would be harder to desolder the newer models
[00:48]	<DeepB>	my branch is now clean, Starkey, patch yours
[00:48]	<JoeBorn>	what?
[00:48]	<Yono>	the USB on the gamma backpacks was mounted differently than the official, I know only because I tried to compare and got different results
[00:49]	<JoeBorn>	oh, gotcha.
[00:50]	<JoeBorn>	I wonder if cool4u2view would be interested in such a project.
[00:50]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: well, all i am asking is that you or an engineer take 2 minutes and see if the company that sold you the cable also sells (or makes) adpters like i mentioned. if it's hopeless, just tell me so and i'll shut up :)
[00:51]	<JoeBorn>	There's tons of extra space in the backpack, there's plenty of places to mount it.
[00:51]	<nerochiaro>	something like that
[00:51]	<JoeBorn>	that's definately hopeless, that company is a joke.
[00:51]	<Yono>	now if only you guys supplied empty backpacks so what we could add in CF slots and other fun stuff
[00:52]	<JoeBorn>	you want just the plastic housings?
[00:52]	<Yono>	but I don't think the demand is high enough that it would be worth it
[00:52]	<Koron>	Joe: I was asking around earlier about this: do you know if neutris infringes on the copyright of tetris in any way? I can remember other tetris-clones being threated with lawsuits by the owner of tetris.
[00:53]	<nerochiaro>	damn ;( i see. at least i tried.
[00:54]	<Koron>	apparently it isn't at all clear; reference: www.abednarz.net
[00:54]	<JoeBorn>	well, we're not using any of the original code, are you sure they were threatened with copyright violations?
[00:54]	<Koron>	they may just be overstepping their bounds because of the lucrative tetris licensing programs they have
[00:55]	<Koron>	there are all kinds of official tetris games for things such as cell phones
[00:55]	<JoeBorn>	my guess is that if they have something, they'll contact us for a licensing fee. That's typically they way these things work.
[00:55]	<Koron>	just wanted to make sure you were aware they are an overly litigous company
[00:56]	<Yono>	I doubt that they would really care anyway
[00:56]	<Yono>	I don't think Apple is paying for putting the brick game on the ipod :-P
[00:57]	<Koron>	I would love to see the neutris source though
[00:57]	<JoeBorn>	I don't know, apple pays a lot in licensing fees.
[00:57]	<Koron>	there are tons of improvements that I can think of, I'm sure everyone else has too
[00:57]	<Koron>	saving the current game state being number one on the list
[00:57]	<JoeBorn>	michael will definately send it your way. I'll ask him about that.
[00:58]	<Yono>	Actually I believe the file browser would be much more beneficial
[00:58]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: once the trouble with TI is set (hopefully), the source for the file browser+tetris firmware will be released too ?
[00:58]	<Koron>	I mean in terms of neutris itself :-p
[00:58]	<JoeBorn>	I would like to wait until the TI issue dies down first.
[00:58]	<nerochiaro>	of course
[00:58]	<nerochiaro>	but please keep us posted
[00:59]	<JoeBorn>	yes, NeuroCast, neutris and file browser.
[00:59]	<DeepB>	forget neutris, i want candy
[00:59]	<nerochiaro>	candy ?
[00:59]	<nerochiaro>	it's a brand of washing machines here in italy ;)
[01:00]	<DeepB>	yeah, like the one mentioned on my wiki topic
[01:00]	<Yono>	i want candy is/was a bad pop song in america
[01:02]	<nerochiaro>	DeepB: what wiki topic ?
[01:02]	<Yono>	sveasoft?
[01:03]	<DeepB>	neuros-firmware.sourceforge.net
[01:03]	<DeepB>	that topic
[01:03]	<DeepB>	under ToDo
[01:03]	* unknown_lamer  demands super breakout
[01:04]	<Yono>	lol, you have so much todo, it'll be pretty hard to find
[01:04]	<nerochiaro>	i don't see any "candy"
[01:05]	<DeepB>	candy == "sweet things"
[01:05]	<JoeBorn>	I just realized I left my car in a tow zone. can anyone give me a ride to the city pound?
[01:05]	<Yono>	heh
[01:05]	<JoeBorn>	I'll stay in better touch going forward, I promise and I'll keep you posted on the TI situation.
[01:06]	<JoeBorn>	ttyl
[01:06]	<nerochiaro>	thank you joe, and good luck for your car
[01:06]	<Yono>	later Joe
[01:07]	<DeepB>	cya
[01:07]	<JoeBorn>	what a pain. ttyl.
[01:07]	<Yono>	DeepB: what are you refering to?
[01:08]	<nerochiaro>	candy as in all the nice things he wants to do. sweet things. right ?
[01:08]	<DeepB>	yeah
[01:09]	<Yono>	are you working on any of them yet?
[01:09]	<DeepB>	but sometimes it tastes better when someone else's bakes them
[01:09]	<nerochiaro>	today i tried putting some trace calls into the startup message loop of the neuros. it started with a lit screen, but completly blank except for the battery indicator. thrilling.
[01:12]	<nerochiaro>	DeepB: do you know how the hell one can write bytes to the disk instead of 16 bit words with the FAT api ?
[01:12]	<DeepB>	oh.. crap... i'll have to doxygen it all again...
[01:12]	<Yono>	plz don't
[01:13]	<Yono>	I'm already having trouble figuring out the current stuff :-P
[01:13]	<DeepB>	nerochiaro: nope, haven't tried that
[01:14]	<nerochiaro>	DeepB: it irks me, becuse my nice trace files are all littered with either padding chars or 0x00 bytes on the upper side of words
[01:17]	<DeepB>	humm... you could flush buffers by two bytes at a time
[01:17]	<DeepB>	can't you write 256b or 512b buffers directly?
[01:19]	<nerochiaro>	the fat write function takes a pointer to a buffer of words, any size if fine as long as it's a multiple of sizeof(WORD)
[01:20]	<DeepB>	oh, i see
[01:21]	<DeepB>	what's the name for the lowest level function?
[01:22]	<nerochiaro>	one sec, i'm looking
[01:23]	<DeepB>	humm.. do you send to FAT_fwrite the correct len ?
[01:24]	<nerochiaro>	i use that, yes
[01:24]	<nerochiaro>	yes, the len is correct i think
[01:29]	<nerochiaro>	DeepB: there's a function called GEN_strPack
[01:30]	<nerochiaro>	that packs stuff, and i use it, but of course when the stuff to pack is un-even there's still the odd 0x00
[01:30]	<gernika>	new feature on loglibrarybot: if you don't want a comment to be logged type [off] at the beginning of the line.
[01:31]	<SmrtJustin>	Anyone know why last night when I tried using the GarbageBranch firmware, and I pressed Play w/ Artists , Songs, etc. highlighted it would pick a random Artist, the track was Unknown, the rest was blank, and it would play the same song, even if I pressed >> same song, new artist
[01:31]	<nerochiaro>	gernika: you're really privacy-minded. nice.
[01:31]	<SmrtJustin>	and then I was getting some wierd menu lag
[01:31]	<nerochiaro>	SmrtJustin: database corrupt, probably
[01:31]	* erwan_ho  thanks nerochiaro for it helps
[01:31]	<gernika>	well, I just asked if I could log another channel and they denied me because I didn't have that feature. So I implemented it in like five minutes and they still denied me :(
[01:31]	<nerochiaro>	SmrtJustin: tried rebuilding it from scratch
[01:31]	<erwan_ho>	my first firmware is built
[01:31]	<SmrtJustin>	nerochiaro: but when I went back to bernard's it was ok
[01:31]	<SmrtJustin>	it was really wierd
[01:31]	<erwan_ho>	from the lastest grabage cvsq
[01:31]	<DeepB>	gernika: switch that to ! at the begining, please
[01:32]	<nerochiaro>	erwan_ho: that's great :)
[01:32]	<SmrtJustin>	and I dont think my nand format worked, for it still had all my settings after it
[01:32]	<gernika>	I'll add that too
[01:32]	* erwan_ho  go taking its neuros back to upload this firmware
[01:33]	<gernika>	DeepB, however, often bot commands are issued with a leading !...
[01:33]	<nerochiaro>	erwan_ho: good luck
[01:33]	<gernika>	DeepB, is there another punctuation mark you would like me to use?
[01:33]	<DeepB>	gernika: that's exactly what i asked for it
[01:33]	<nerochiaro>	gernika: i was thinking the same thing. what about "||"
[01:33]	<gernika>	ahh, I gotcha
[01:34]	<Yono>	yeah, I agree with nerochiaro
[01:35]	<SmrtJustin>	hmm when I did a database rebuild w/ sorune I got this:
[01:35]	<SmrtJustin>	Argument "2.26-os.17" isn't numeric in numeric ge (>=) at ndblib.pm line 80.
[01:36]	<DeepB>	gernika: maybe a !log\!nolog command for blocks of text would help too
[01:36]	<nerochiaro>	my god, the snow outside it still piling. it's all so white. i think it's a good occasion to get a flu and stay at home a week to hack on the firmware
[01:37]	<DeepB>	gernika: but i know that won't be as cheap as a single line bypass
[01:37]	<gernika>	DeepB, I agree. That will take me a little while though, just to let you know.
[01:37]	<SmrtJustin>	The nicest thing about the opensource fw (I think) has to be the ability to have the neuros' backlight now work differently when its plugged in
[01:37]	<SmrtJustin>	now = not*
[01:39]	<nerochiaro>	gernika: picked up my bug report on conversation source link ?
[01:40]	<DeepB>	damn you... i thought i was the only one who submitted bugs the that wiki ;)
[01:40]	<DeepB>	*to
[01:41]	<gernika>	nerochiaro: haven't checked it for a few hours.
[01:41]	<nerochiaro>	DeepB: i think we're two. three at most
[01:41]	<nerochiaro>	gernika: i submitted it this morning
[01:41]	<gernika>	nerochiaro: yeah, I didn't see it at the bottom of the page there :)
[01:42]	<gernika>	nerochiaro: I already knew about the bug. I think it happens when you use preview. Working on it...
[01:42]	<nerochiaro>	gernika: ok. should i put them on top of the others, then ?
[01:42]	<nerochiaro>	holy christ! it's already 1:40 AM ??? time to go to sleep
[01:43]	<gernika>	Yeah, I just didn't notice it down there.
[01:43]	<gernika>	DeepB, so it's been you submitting all those bugs! Well, thanks.
[01:45]	<nerochiaro>	good night people, i'll leave
[01:45]	<DeepB>	gernika: actually, i think 'all those' were only two, but i'm happy to help ;)
[01:48]	<DeepB>	gernika: btw, provide RSS feeds, and you'll have a killer app
[01:53]	<erwan_ho>	my first woid.hex :)
[01:53]	<DeepB>	congrats, erwan_ho
[01:54]	<GarBage>	i'm gone, nite all
[01:55]	<erwan_ho>	GarBage: thx
[01:55]	<erwan_ho>	GarBage: my first garbage cvs build :)
[01:55]	<erwan_ho>	GarBage: good night
[01:55]	<erwan_ho>	it works !
[01:57]	<erwan_ho>	next step
[01:57]	<erwan_ho>	hacking & contributing
[01:57]	<erwan_ho>	:b
[01:57]	<erwan_ho>	but now sleeeeeeeeeeping
[01:58]	<GarBage>	my last words, geek pr0n, enjoy it
[01:58]	<GarBage>	zootropo.f2o.org
[01:59]	<erwan_ho>	:))
[01:59]	<gernika>	DeepB, Yes, I agree. Good idea.
[02:02]	<Yono>	post up a link when you do it, loglibrary is one of the few sites I visit that I don't have a feed of
[02:06]	<erwan_ho>	If you like some funnt things :
[02:06]	<erwan_ho>	www.konilope.com
[02:06]	<erwan_ho>	see you
[02:06]	<erwan_ho>	Have a nice night
[02:09]	<gernika>	loglibrarybot: you bastard.
[02:09]	<loglibrarybot>	I come from www.loglibrary.com. I accept these commands:
[02:09]	<loglibrarybot>	[off] turns off logging for the line it precedes.
[02:09]	<loglibrarybot>	|| turns off logging for the line it precedes.
[02:26]	<Ciaran>	Hi.
[02:43]	<SmrtJustin>	I'm working with a modified bashpodder, and it makes a playlist of the stuff its downloaded, how do I make/modify the playlist so it'll work on the neuros?
[06:18]	<unknown_lamer>	Hrm
[06:18]	<unknown_lamer>	So, are Garbage's cleanup going to go into the official neuros firmware?
[06:43]	<inkedmn>	hey all
[06:43]	<inkedmn>	i'm trying to get NSM 1.54 to read my neuros db, but it isn't
[06:45]	<inkedmn>	i hit "synchronize" and it works for a few seconds, then doesn't show any of the tracks or anything
[06:46]	<inkedmn>	do i have to rebuild or something?
[09:22]	<Xoring>	haha, there is a remote-shell exploit for iTunes on OS X
[09:22]	<Xoring>	www.packetstormsecurity.org
[10:56]	<erwan_taf>	hi all
[11:47]	<erwan_taf>	nerochiaro: \o/
[11:48]	<erwan_taf>	nerochiaro: my firmware works !
[11:48]	<erwan_taf>	nerochiaro: the build wasn't complete, I've finished it yesterday night :b
[11:48]	<erwan_taf>	nerochiaro: thx again
[11:51]	<erwan_taf>	today I'll begin to hack :)
[12:12]	<nerochiaro>	that's great to hear
[12:13]	<nerochiaro>	good luck with the hacking, then. one more helping hand is always welcome
[12:14]	<erwan_taf>	nerochiaro: do you have a wiki access ?
[12:14]	<nerochiaro>	sure
[12:14]	<erwan_taf>	it could be cool to fixup section 4 of howto compile
[12:15]	<nerochiaro>	you can register too, and fix it. it's a wiki, it's open to everyone
[12:15]	<erwan_taf>	k
[12:15]	<erwan_taf>	i'll add the tips i've found
[12:15]	<nerochiaro>	that would be good
[12:15]	<nerochiaro>	thank you
[12:15]	<nerochiaro>	i have to go back to work, i'll check back later
[12:21]	<erwan_taf>	nerochiaro: what was the tool you've told me to use ?
[12:24]	<erwan_taf>	d2u :)
[12:34]	<erwan_taf>	nerochiaro: I've added my tips
[13:02]	<nerochiaro>	erwan_taf: well done. you might want to add your signature too at the bottom, then
[13:03]	<erwan_taf>	:)
[13:03]	<erwan_taf>	I thought it was automatic
[13:15]	<nerochiaro>	nope, but you can always add it
[16:37]	<ghavenga>	testing
[16:39]	<ghavenga>	Just curious - is everybody still using the TI demo tools, or has lcc or gcc gotten off the ground?
[16:39]	<JoshMalone>	TI tools, I'm pretty sure; no GCC target work yet I don't think
[16:59]	<ghavenga>	I wish I had some more time - I'd be on it in a second.
[16:59]	<ghavenga>	I don't think it would be spectacularly hard, it just takes someone with
[16:59]	<ghavenga>	an embedded background to get some time.
[17:00]	<ghavenga>	Same thing with the source - I want to do some mods for supporting "car mode", and try
[17:00]	<ghavenga>	to figure out some remote control stuff - maybe an IR receiver that plugs into one
[17:00]	<ghavenga>	of the ports on the neuros.
[17:01]	<JoshMalone>	sounds cool
[17:01]	<ghavenga>	Also, I haven't looked at the schematics close enough to tell if there is an unused serial port
[17:01]	<JoshMalone>	I work on embedded systems, but not that small ones
[17:01]	<ghavenga>	Those are always handy.
[17:02]	<ghavenga>	I work mostly in embedded stuff (right now, a high end scientific camera with a 1394 interface), and windows drivers.
[17:02]	<ghavenga>	What kind of stuff do you do? Embedded Linux/Windoze?
[17:02]	<JoshMalone>	cool - I work on ARM-linux
[17:02]	<JoshMalone>	www.applieddata.net
[17:02]	<JoshMalone>	I'm working on a video capture driver for one of our higher-end boards
[17:02]	<ghavenga>	Man, that's an area I've been wanting to get into for some time now.
[17:03]	<GarBage>	i dig holes
[17:03]	<GarBage>	then bury myself on them
[17:03]	<GarBage>	;)
[17:04]	<ghavenga>	Speaking of video capture, I'm not happy with NVidia's Linux support for the personal cinema line of video cards.
[17:04]	<ghavenga>	but I digress.
[17:04]	<ghavenga>	GarBage, I know how you feel. You just described my life.
[17:04]	<GarBage>	ghavenga: nice to see you're willing to help
[17:04]	<JoshMalone>	LOL
[17:05]	<ghavenga>	Yeah, I've been wanting to work on this thing for months! I even was talking to Joe about doing a firewire interface.
[17:05]	<JoshMalone>	firewire would RULE!
[17:06]	<ghavenga>	But then I looked at the schematics and it was plain that basically the ENTIRE backpack would have to be redone.
[17:06]	<ghavenga>	No wonder USB 2.0 took so long.
[17:06]	<erwan_taf>	one on my friend is a gcc guy :)
[17:06]	<erwan_taf>	I'm trying to convince him to help
[17:06]	<ghavenga>	I kind of understand the division they made, but with the number of pins on the backpack connector, I kind of had higher hopes
[17:07]	<ghavenga>	go erwan_taf!
[17:07]	<ghavenga>	Well, I gotta run, it's late here, and I need to get to work - maybe I'll monitor things from there.
[17:07]	<GarBage>	the backpack has room enough for a small ie3994 pcb, me thinks
[17:08]	<JoshMalone>	just a 1394<->IDE bridge
[17:08]	<ghavenga>	GarBage, actually, what I was thinking of was a "fake brain box" that plugged into the backpack that gave you a firewire interface.
[17:09]	<GarBage>	ghavenga: hum... that is smarter, indeed