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<Miker__>

might try to restart some service L

oh well

udevd is responsible for detecting the printer, and restarting that is Bad News

<Miker__>

hehe

but otherwise... yeah

<Miker__>

udev is not that old is it ? Might be some bug

[14:41]

<Miker__>

there's nothing in dmesg which points to a possible cause ?

[14:41]

it might be... it could be an issue with my printer cable or usb controller or something, too

or the printer

<Miker__>

usb cable is easily detectede, if it's the printer other people should have it too, I say: google the day away :)

that's what i'm doing

and making entreaties in #gentoo

[14:43]

<Miker__>

maybe try with the udev people ? Maybe they can advise some debugging switches

agm dnesg gas

i mean

ah, dmesg has an error

<Miker__>

that's good, in a way :)

[14:48]

well, i will keep working on it

[15:52]

Hello

[16:33]

<Yono>

hello

[16:33]

Hi yono

[16:33]

<Yono>

hey keith

The mini look awesome

looks awesome

<Yono>

yes

<Yono>

I hope they don't get in trouble for the interface though

<Yono>

apple's been pretty sue-happy lately

I got the complete specs last night

<Yono>

the PDF, or more?

pdf

<Yono>

yeah

[16:37]

<Yono>

I don't really understand the choice of codecs though

[16:37]

<Yono>

why aac?

[16:38]

<Yono>

are there really that many people with itunes that don't have an ipod?

[16:38]

I think is great that acc will be supported

<Yono>

why?

It opens up the market to all people who started with a ipod

and want somthing else

but

don't want to part with their Itune songs

I would have loved to se Flac howverer

<Yono>

me too

but DRM suppot is hugew

[16:41]

<Yono>

yes

[16:41]

<Yono>

plays for sure is a great feature

[16:41]

Getting the recorder this week I hope to play with

[16:42]

<Yono>

lucky you ;)

[16:42]

gamma release on the 12th I think Joe said

[16:43]

<Yono>

actually keith, I think your kind of mistaken

[16:43]

<Yono>

a lot of the itunes songs are drmed anyway

[16:45]

Well I am going to assume that they are going to be able to play them. otherwise Acc is not needed then

[16:45]

imop

[16:45]

<Yono>

yes, I agree

[16:46]

<Yono>

they will still be able to play songs they ripped in itunes, but none of the songs they bought in itunes

[16:46]

<Yono>

so they're losing songs no matter what

[16:46]

true

[16:47]

Once agaon, Flac is what should have been added

[16:47]

<Yono>

which is why I personally believe spending their time on FLAC instead of aac would have been wiser

[16:47]

<Yono>

heh, beat me to it

[16:48]

<Yono>

maybe it'll be on the n3 at least

[16:48]

I think it will

[16:48]

<Yono>

i hope ur right

I be willing to bet that it will look simialer as well

<Yono>

really?

It will have the drop and drag for sure

<Yono>

I like the way that the pocket player looks a little more

<Yono>

with the scroll wheel and 5 buttons

[16:50]

see thats the one I dont feel confident about

[16:50]

I don't think it will last

[16:50]

<Yono>

I'll put it this way

[16:51]

<Yono>

I was really looking forward to it, when I saw it I still was impressed, and then I saw the stats and was no longer impressed

The pockect player is the one I think will be simaler looking to the N#

n3

<Yono>

I hope so

<Yono>

but the color scheme of the n2

I hoping it stays black

<Yono>

me too

But I have no intel

I hope to have some pics of the pocket player on monday

[16:54]

<Yono>

yes, they may not have spent much time on features, but they spent quite a lot of time on design

I think they did that on purpose

<Yono>

of course

keep real simple easy to use

add to it later

<Yono>

thats where they got hurt with the neuros

This is more mass market

<Yono>

all of these are

then advanced like the Neuros

<Yono>

I can't think of any neuros owner buying the flash photo :-P

no

<Yono>

different consumers

not at all

<Yono>

u don't think so?

If had to guess

the mini is the basic bluprint

for the neuros 3

<Yono>

I don't know

with all the advanced features coming with the N3

<Yono>

that might be pushing it

Just a guess

I bet Acc will not be on the n#

n3

<Yono>

I pray to god they don't waste their time on aac for the n3

[16:58]

<Yono>

but they already have the decoder anyway

[16:58]

<Yono>

so they probably will

[16:59]

<Yono>

I think DRM WMA will probably help the N3 though

I agree

The drag and drop

is huge

<Yono>

I'm hoping that they finish off n1/2 firmware support by giving us drag and drop

[17:00]

<Yono>

after that, they can just work on the occasional bug fix for all I care

[17:00]

unlikly

[17:00]

<Yono>

u obviously haven't seen 2.28 and the file browser yet

[17:01]

I think they are moving forward

[17:01]

The N3 will be the player that N2 should have been

[17:04]

<Yono>

very likely that is what they're aiming for

<Yono>

but at this point, FM transmitter isn't as big a thing as it was 3 years ago

<Yono>

so they're going to need to really stack up on features

Its more then likly I think..

The transmitter is still huge

thing

they need to make broadcasting ogg better

<Yono>

true, but its no longer as "exclusive" as it used to be

thats trure

Can't dump its nicest feature

however

<Yono>

they need to make broadcasting better, and they have to give DeepB the motivation to code wireless data transmitting :)

I think that N3 should

<Yono>

and the new processor should make the n3 less laggy during ncast

build on the recording funtons

yes I was going to say that

[17:08]

flac of course

[17:08]

<Yono>

if NA figures out how to record FLAC, N3 will be the biggest recording device ever

[17:09]

I agree with that

[17:09]

One step at time just playback would be nice

[17:10]

<Yono>

well, thats still possible on the N2 if anyone had the skills and motivation

[17:10]

<Yono>

I'm saying that the new hardware MIGHT make recording possible

[17:11]

Im all for it if it can

[17:11]

<Yono>

same here

[17:11]

<Yono>

then having accessories for recording

Building on the recording should be a major gol

goal

<Yono>

and between the mpeg recorder, and the usb host, it'll be easy to swap out concerts onto CF or SD

The recorder is looking better to me

I see why Joe is so high on it

I was not that excited about it

till I got to read the specs

<Yono>

same

<Yono>

I just wish he had chosen his codecs more wisely, (not the first time I've said this about his new products)

Now I know why it tested higher then the orginal neuros

<Yono>

tested higher?

I am going to have to ask him why acc

<Yono>

yes you are!

Ya their marking sureys

<Yono>

I'd rather have just mp3 and have Divx and MPEG instead

interest in this product was higher then the orgianl Neuros

<Yono>

divx is more common than you'd think

<Yono>

interesting

Thats what I said

seeing the specs

Its more clear why

<Yono>

I think its great that it writes to both CF and SD

<Yono>

and the remote is genius

agreed

<Yono>

less needed on the player itself

<Yono>

more space for ports

pricing is real cheap

<Yono>

yes