[00:41]	<nerochiaro>	DeepB: are you around ?
[01:02]	<Q-W-Y>	Any news about brick?
[01:07]	<Q-W-Y>	ppl
[01:08]	<Q-W-Y>	what's new in 2.28 ?
[01:08]	<nerochiaro>	file browser
[01:08]	<nerochiaro>	and tetris, i think
[01:08]	<Yono>	yep
[01:08]	<Yono>	2.28 is out?
[01:12]	<Q-W-Y>	WHOW File browser is great
[01:13]	<Q-W-Y>	i've just updated it
[01:13]	<Rez>	where's it at?
[01:13]	<Q-W-Y>	Finally i can throw out stupid database
[01:14]	<Q-W-Y>	www.neurosaudio.com
[01:58]	<nollidj>	happy day
[01:58]	<nollidj>	hmn
[02:15]	<nollidj>	will setting the hidden or archive attributes on files on the neuros hard drive keep them from showing up in the file browser?
[03:13]	<chreekat>	Wait, so you can use a file browser instead of db navigation now?
[03:14]	<Yono>	yeah
[03:14]	<nollidj>	chreekat, that is so
[03:14]	<Yono>	you COULD HAVE a while ago, if anyone bothered to ask :-P
[03:15]	<chreekat>	Well nifty
[03:16]	<Yono>	hmm
[03:16]	<Yono>	Sorune: if you check the logs, the "The" feature isn't working correctly
[03:22]	<chreekat>	We don't use the HPI on the DSP, do we, since we don't have a host processor
[03:24]	<unknown_lamer>	Now the file browser needs a text file reader and a tag reader :)
[03:25]	<nollidj>	much agreed on a textfile reader
[03:26]	<nollidj>	and then it needs fsaa and 32-bit colors with a holographic projection display and fully immersive sound system
[03:26]	<nollidj>	but i'm willing to wait for the n3
[03:26]	<unknown_lamer>	Maybe the N4 for that.
[03:26]	<unknown_lamer>	I mean holographic projection!
[03:26]	<nollidj>	true
[03:27]	<chreekat>	haha
[03:27]	<chreekat>	Perhaps we should wait a bit for fusion power supplies to come down in size and price ;-)
[03:27]	<Llamapalooza>	dont forget built in shoe-tyer!
[03:28]	<nollidj>	and teeth-whitener
[03:28]	<Llamapalooza>	and air conditioner
[03:28]	<nollidj>	"the neuros personal holodeck"
[03:28]	<chreekat>	beer tap
[03:28]	<Llamapalooza>	"The Neuros Do-it-all-majigger"
[03:29]	<AmericanTechpush>	I rather have Pepsi on tap
[03:29]	<nollidj>	Now with Linux(tm)!
[03:35]	<Yono>	hey americantechpush
[03:35]	<AmericanTechpush>	yo
[03:35]	<yonkeltron>	i am having some trouble mounting my neuros on my linux box....i forgot to unmount it before i unplugged it
[03:35]	<yonkeltron>	oops
[03:36]	<Yono>	joe said aac came with the device from the factory
[03:36]	<Yono>	so no extra effort put in
[03:36]	<yonkeltron>	how do i fix this?
[03:36]	<necco>	yello
[03:37]	<AmericanTechpush>	That would make so much more sense then
[03:37]	<yonkeltron>	i am formatting everything
[03:37]	<Yono>	yep
[03:37]	<necco>	who here uses Sorune?
[03:37]	<nollidj>	i do...
[03:37]	<unknown_lamer>	I do
[03:38]	<Llamapalooza>	i did a few times
[03:38]	<necco>	cool. I'm trying to get used to it, but unfortunately I can't get the various artists sorting working right
[03:38]	<derobert>	I do
[03:38]	<necco>	lemme link to the thread i made on the sorune forum so i don't have to type it all out
[03:38]	<chreekat>	yonkeltron: yeah, format is probably necessary.
[03:38]	<AmericanTechpush>	Working on new website here
[03:38]	<Yono>	I use sorune
[03:38]	<AmericanTechpush>	what a pain
[03:38]	<Yono>	starting today
[03:39]	<necco>	www.sorune.com
[03:39]	<nollidj>	i do not really like sorune's gui
[03:39]	<nollidj>	so i don't really use it
[03:40]	<necco>	anyway mainly instead of a various artists folder showing up under album->artist, i get folders/whatever for each individual artist on every various artists album i have
[03:40]	<nollidj>	ah, sorune recently had a change of how it handles compilation albums
[03:40]	<necco>	from what it looks, it only sorts them properally if you have "Various" as the artist title in comps
[03:41]	<sorune>	hey everyone
[03:41]	<AmericanTechpush>	hey
[03:41]	<Yono>	sorune
[03:41]	<Yono>	The doesn't work
[03:41]	<Yono>	take a look at it again
[03:41]	<necco>	i mean i can still use it but i have like 900 something artists in my album->artist menu heh
[03:42]	<nollidj>	yeah... regardless, the neuros does not do browsing very well
[03:42]	<necco>	well, i like the file browser in the beta firmware
[03:42]	<necco>	if only it read the tags when you select stuff to play
[03:42]	<Llamapalooza>	it spins up the hard drive a lot though, kills the battery
[03:42]	<nollidj>	yes. now, if they could do symlinks, i would be in heaven
[03:43]	<necco>	then there'd be no need for any of the sync progs
[03:43]	<nollidj>	except for Llamapalooza's point
[03:43]	<necco>	Hmm... i didn't know about that...
[03:44]	<necco>	like how much does it kill the battery? faster
[03:44]	<necco>	how much more. whatever
[03:45]	<Llamapalooza>	not sure, i havent used it much, someone else whos also using it might know more
[03:45]	<necco>	Eh, i guess it's not that important
[03:45]	<necco>	anyway, if sorune had the various artists support that nbdm does, i'd be all set. :/
[03:45]	<AmericanTechpush>	The lose of the sync mangers is the way of the future
[03:47]	<AmericanTechpush>	loss
[03:48]	<unknown_lamer>	If you have a well organized collection
[03:48]	<unknown_lamer>	or the database is built in the device
[03:49]	<sorune>	necco: what does ndbm do and how are your files tagged?
[03:50]	<necco>	ndbm is able to detect which albums are various artists and sorts them as such without physically having the artist name in all the songs be "various"
[03:52]	<necco>	if there was an option to set a "various folder" and ignore exact tags and basicly sort everything under folder i suppose that would work better
[03:53]	<necco>	since all my comps are in a "various" folder on my music HD
[03:54]	<sorune>	are they all tagged with artist == "Various" or artist == "Various Artists" or just the individual artist name?
[03:54]	<necco>	individual artist name
[03:54]	<necco>	damned if i know how ndbm figures that out, i'm not a java man. heh
[03:56]	<unknown_lamer>	Hrm
[03:56]	<unknown_lamer>	so the neuros firmware source isn't on Odna for now
[03:56]	<Yono>	Americantechpush: what are you talking about, the pocketplayer loses the sync player already
[03:57]	<AmericanTechpush>	We are starting out own fourms, and if anybody as any suggestions about the layout please send them my way
[03:57]	<sorune>	probably by checking for different artist tags in a specific directory
[03:57]	<AmericanTechpush>	In general yono all the devices need to diump the sysc software
[03:58]	<AmericanTechpush>	drag an drop
[03:58]	<Yono>	ok, this is how it will work
[03:58]	<Yono>	(20:39:42) Yono: how does drag and drop work?
[03:58]	<Yono>	(20:40:21) MRCo: v1 is no database on the device, just browse by file.
[03:58]	<Yono>	(20:40:37) MRCo: v2 is a self creating dbase on the device itself.
[03:58]	<AmericanTechpush>	It got be easy for people who are not computer savy
[03:58]	<necco>	oh here's how ndbm does it, from their forums:
[03:59]	<necco>	er
[03:59]	<necco>	What NDBM does to make a "Various Artist" album is look at the album name. If songs with the same album name, but different artists exist, this album is put uner Various Artist.
[04:00]	<AmericanTechpush>	Anybody excited about the recorder?
[04:00]	<sorune>	necco: ah, ok
[04:01]	<Llamapalooza>	not sure, i cant see what makes it so much better than a regular tv tuner for a pc
[04:01]	<necco>	hmm i wouldn't think that'd be that hard to do, would probably make sync longer though
[04:03]	<sorune>	necco: i've made promises that i won't add any new things to 0.5 so that it will finally be released, but i'll put this on the todo list
[04:03]	<necco>	oh. great :)
[04:03]	<necco>	when can 0.5 be expected?
[04:04]	<sorune>	end of next week
[04:04]	<noiz>	there is a mailing list on sorune.com that you can sign up for and it will notify you when new versions of sorune are released :)
[04:04]	<necco>	oh. cool
[04:05]	<necco>	yeah, i've been jumping around different sync managers, figured at work today i'd try sorune and see where it went...
[04:08]	<AmericanTechpush>	Sourne is my choiice
[04:08]	<sorune>	wow, i guess it's catching on :)
[04:10]	<sorune>	i'm told that 0.5 kicks 0.4's butt :)
[04:17]	<chreekat>	I want to port gcc to our DSP, as some of you know. Just wanted to let you all know I'm still working on that.
[04:17]	<sorune>	sweet
[04:17]	<sorune>	then the development will really get rolling
[04:18]	<chreekat>	Just don't expect results any time soon, since this is my first work with gcc
[04:18]	<nollidj>	three chreers for chreekat
[04:19]	<sorune>	here's for hoping gcc will allow us to play high quality Oggs w/o skips
[04:19]	<sorune>	i've heard the TI compiler isn't very optimized
[04:19]	<sorune>	not that gcc is great in that regard
[04:19]	<sorune>	but hopefully it will be better
[04:20]	<chreekat>	On the plus side, I have loads of time, so I might be able to keep working on optimizations and stuff after it's ported
[04:20]	<chreekat>	I think gcc could do pretty well
[04:20]	<chreekat>	Especially since we have very specific tasks in mind for the processor
[04:20]	<sorune>	that would make me buy a N2, if it didn't skip
[04:20]	<AmericanTechpush>	cool
[04:21]	<chreekat>	Anyway, gotta go
[04:21]	<nollidj>	yeah... sometimes when playing oggs the hard drive thrashes
[04:21]	<sorune>	ttyl
[04:22]	<sorune>	do you think it's purely the HD or is it cpu/mem related?
[04:23]	<sorune>	whatever the case, i hopee the N3 solves it
[04:24]	<sorune>	or a gcc port or whatever it takes :)
[04:39]	<AmericanTechpush>	Hi Koron
[05:38]	<SmrtJust1n>	night all
[23:33]	<DeepB>	evening
[23:34]	<DeepB>	anyone here uses last.fm or audioscrobbler?
[23:38]	<noiz>	im using it right now
[23:39]	<noiz>	why?
[23:39]	<DeepB>	when did you signed up?
[23:40]	<noiz>	today :)
[23:40]	<noiz>	www.audioscrobbler.com
[23:40]	<DeepB>	ok, then you're useless ;)
[23:41]	<noiz>	yeah, i figured i wouldnt be able to help you
[23:41]	<DeepB>	the crappy thing about AS is that you need to feed up your profile, and that's a lenghty operation
[23:42]	<DeepB>	you need to submit at least 100-300 songs to start seeing the power of it
[23:42]	<DeepB>	and that takes time
[23:42]	<noiz>	yeah, thats why you leave it on overnight
[23:43]	<DeepB>	so, i coded a quick&dirty python crap, for batch submissions, recursively through a folder
[23:44]	<noiz>	sounds pretty cool
[23:44]	<DeepB>	but it is only useful for those registered, at least, the overall length of the submitted folder
[23:45]	<DeepB>	there are some sanity checks involved, that won't let you submit from dates earlier than the one you've registered
[23:45]	<noiz>	are you working on the firmware request that one guy had?
[23:47]	<DeepB>	humm.. yeah, i think some guy asked about AS support a while ago, my answer was NO
[23:47]	<noiz>	:)
[23:47]	<DeepB>	because i didn't used it then
[23:48]	<DeepB>	maybe now i could look into that
[23:48]	<noiz>	that would be nice, since now i care since i started using it
[23:51]	<noiz>	and it would be nice to get the neuros on the front page of audioscrobbler ;)
[23:51]	<noiz>	for being the first portable device to support it
[23:52]	<DeepB>	the first?
[23:53]	<noiz>	i think it would be
[23:53]	<noiz>	i dont know of any other device
[23:57]	<noiz>	im looking at the site and dont see any mention of players that support audioscrobbler
[23:58]	<DeepB>	yeah, the AS devs just told me so
[23:59]	<noiz>	did they tell you what devices?