Log from #neuros IRC channel

dunno if they are all at once

i would imagine it is

solomon: www.neurosaudio.com

solomon: is the MPEG-4 recorder the new thing?

[08:37]

(I didn't get to see the before)

[08:38]

looks like it

[08:38]

sure is little

[08:39]

solomon: damn, no ethernet :-(

[08:39]

hehe

[12:25]

<CiTay>

hi, anyone got a link to that page with the Neuros internals, DSP specs and so on?

[13:20]

CiTay: one site is neuros.php-info.com but it seems to be unreachable at the moment

[13:20]

Other schematics, the official ones, are here open.neurosaudio.com

[13:20]

but they are a different thing

[13:21]

<CiTay>

yes the php site is what it was..

[13:22]

<CiTay>

it was already down yesterday, so somehow it wasn't saved in my browser history

[13:24]

CiTay: i have a copy of that part of the site on my local disk, if you want it let me know

[13:24]

<CiTay>

no, it must be online, i want to give the link to someone

[13:26]

CiTay: ok, let's hope it comes back online soon then. You can also try and contact the person who runs it to see if he can solve the problem. I can give you the contact if you want to do so

[13:27]

<CiTay>

sure

[13:30]

one second, i'll fetch it

[13:32]

here: neuros-firmware.sourceforge.net

[13:36]

<CiTay>

preparing flame-mail :P

[13:41]

good luck

[17:17]

Hey, I think I just discovered that my second Neuros is fine.

[17:18]

I was going to call support before trying anything, just so they would know exactly what I had done,

[17:19]

but then I got hasty, and reformatted the hard drive. Since then it's worked flawlessly.

cool

greets

hey

what's happenin' Keith?

[17:49]

Not much today,,

[17:49]

Just rifling through the emails

[17:51]

Been asking people to submit questions about what they like to see in our new FAQ section

[17:51]

plus the everday emails

[17:54]

Hey, what site is this chan logged at again?

nm

nerochiaro: Hm, didn't you mean neuros.php-help.com instead of neuros.php-info.com ?

[18:03]

Not that php-help loads any better than php-info at the moment. ;)

[18:17]

chreekat: now that you made me think about it, i have doubts. maybe it's php-help, are you sure of that ?

[18:18]

and FYI, you can get the logs with this shorter

tnx nero

JoshMalone: for what ?

[18:22]

the shorter link

[18:23]

np

[18:27]

I was thinking about uploading a copy of all the data sheets on webkid's site into the wiki. They are public documents, AFAIK, so there should be no problem. Anyone does think this is a bad idea ?

[18:30]

I like the idea

[18:31]

cool. i'll gather a little more opinions, and then do it. worst thing, we'll remove them

[18:36]

agreed

[19:44]

damn! i forced a shutdown while the neuros was writing stuff to disk, and now it freezes while reading the HDD at startup.

[19:46]

ewww - fsck.msdos

[19:46]

that would be chkdsk on dos

[19:46]

perhaps, restoring a previous database (you do have NDBM's auto back turned on, right?)

[19:47]

i'm rebuilding with sorune right now, with brainless unit

[19:49]

shit, didn't work

[19:53]

tried chkdsk?

[19:53]

yep, before the rebuild. corrected an error, but didn't help

[19:55]

ewww.....

I dunno - maybe a NAND format will help?

got it! i deleted all the recorded files, rebuild the db once again, and it worked

ah - cool

weird, though

[19:57]

<DeepB>

ah.. record management, how i hate thy

[19:57]

<DeepB>

broken on latest fw

<DeepB>

evening, btw

well, seeing that it was killed while doing that long writing pause after a recording, i figured out that it had something do with my condition, so i cleaned the slate before proceding

evening gar

DeepB: seen the memoserv message ?

[19:59]

and/or the wiki changes page

[19:59]

<DeepB>

yep, seen both

<DeepB>

nice work, i'll wait for the polished sources

does it work for you ?

<DeepB>

i haven't tested the binary, though

ah ok

[20:01]

because it's still in a very early state, but i figured out that someone might want to see what i was up to (yono, for example)

[20:02]

btw, i might need some help in setting up my cvs developer access, if you can spare some time to help

[20:02]

<DeepB>

sure

[20:02]

<DeepB>

you already had a DSA key pair

what's needed ? i use tortoise for cvs and putty for ssh shell, do i need something else ?

<DeepB>

since you sent me your public one

yeah, not sure where i put that, but i will find it

or generate another

<DeepB>

now you need to tell sf.net about it

[20:04]

found that key pair. how do i tell it ?

[20:04]

i need to upload it somewhere i imagine

[20:05]

<DeepB>

sourceforge.net

[20:06]

<DeepB>

better start here: sourceforge.net

[20:07]

the "ssh-dsh\n" part at the beginning of the string is not part of the actual public key, or is it ?

[20:07]

<DeepB>

the latter, it is needed

[20:08]

<DeepB>

make sure it's a one-liner

[20:08]

<DeepB>

open your private key with PuTTYGen

[20:08]

ok, it's done

[20:09]

<DeepB>

and paste the shown contents in the text area, on a single line

[20:09]

i copied the whole content of the key text box puttygen in the textarea on the sf.net page. i think it worked, because it shows that i have 1 key

[20:10]

<DeepB>

ok, perfect

[20:10]

<DeepB>

usually it is a delayed operation, so it may not work until tomorrow

[20:10]

i'm not in a hurry, for now

[20:11]

<DeepB>

9zSKtEyvA/gM= dsa-key-20050118

[20:11]

<DeepB>

does it end that way?

[20:11]

yes

<DeepB>

ok, it is already updated on the shell server

<DeepB>

you may want to log in through ssh

with putty, yes ?

<DeepB>

yep

[20:13]

<DeepB>

shell.sourceforge.net

[20:13]

<DeepB>

feed it with your username and private key

[20:14]

cool, i'm in

[20:14]

<DeepB>

cd /home/groups/n/ne/neuros-firmware/

[20:14]

<DeepB>

that's where the project lies

[20:15]

<DeepB>

you may want to 'ln -s /home/groups/n/ne/neuros-firmware/ web' on your $HOME

[20:15]

ok, i logged in there already once, with no keypair, but i am a little familir with the shell already

[20:16]

i might need an hand with cvs, though

[20:16]

<DeepB>

that should be your CVSROOT:

[20:17]

<DeepB>

:ext:nerochiaro@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/neuros-firmware

[20:17]

<DeepB>

module: neuros-firmware

[20:19]

<DeepB>

you may want to use Pagent as a key agent

[20:19]

how do i set that up in tortoise ?

[20:20]

<DeepB>

usually tortoise is bundled with a custom plink, and already configured

[20:20]

ah, ok. but how do i tell it my private key ?

[20:20]

<DeepB>

you can get Pageant on the same place as Putty

[20:21]

<DeepB>

then load Pageant with the path to your key as an argument

[20:22]

i tried, but it tells me "pageant is already running"

[20:22]

<DeepB>

is that true?

<DeepB>

do you have its icon near the clock?

oh, i didn't notice it. i must have clicked one time too much on it :P

<DeepB>

it looks like a screen with a gangster hat

hehe, yes, i have found it

[20:24]

isn't that hat a "fedora" ?

[20:24]

but anyway, i see it has my public key in it

[20:24]

<DeepB>

fedora is a kind of hat? oh.. i didn't know it :/

[20:25]

i think so, you might want to ask someone more expert in hats/linux than me, though

[20:25]

that makes sense with the redhat/fedora joke-thing too

[20:26]

;) images.google.it

<DeepB>

nice

yes - it's a fedora

(friend of mine used to wear one constantly)

classic spy-hat

or new york italian mafioso kind of hat, too

[20:28]

<DeepB>

hehe

yeah

DeepB: anyway, now that i have pageant the gangster running, what should i do ?

is it automatically seen by tortoise ?

<DeepB>

tell the gansta to show you his keys

it has mine

<DeepB>

ok, then you're all set

so tortoise using its own plink will auth to sourceforge cvs with my key ?

by default

<DeepB>

yep, it should

<DeepB>

maybe i'm missing something.. we'll see

so suppose i want to add one file to your branch, just to try it out

<DeepB>

try to checkout the sources

works

[20:32]

seems slow as hell, though

[20:33]

<DeepB>

it is DSA crypted all the way, it is usually slower than anon cvs

[20:34]

whoa, anon cvs was already slow. well, not a problem

[20:36]

<DeepB>

did it all work then?

[20:36]

yes, the checkout work fine

[20:37]

it is still working, but it is fine. now, i went all this way because i wanted to put up my sources. probably the best way for now is to create a new branch

[20:37]

any hints ?

[20:38]

<DeepB>

what will be your starting tag/branch?

[20:38]

yours

i picked that and added on it

<DeepB>

ok, then make sure you checked out mine

<DeepB>

then, just select CVS...->Branch... on top of the sources

<DeepB>

and create a new one

[20:40]

would it work if i do so on top of the sources i am working on ? or do i need to do that on a fresh checkout ?

[20:41]

<DeepB>

to play safe, better do that on this last one you're currently checking out

[20:41]

ok, but then i will have to merge my sources into that ?

[20:42]

<DeepB>

yep, make the branch, then merge, then commit, then tag

[20:44]

ok, i'm making the branch right now

<Yono>

hey nero, DeepB

<Yono>

what's up?

hi. look at your memos

<DeepB>

maybe you need to update the local sources to the new branch before merging, i don't know exactly if tortoise do this automatically

<DeepB>

hi Yono

[20:48]

DeepB: that would be the "cvs update" option of tortoise, i supopse

[20:48]

<DeepB>

update special

and tell it the name of the new branch

<DeepB>

yep

<DeepB>

are you finished creating the branch?

<DeepB>

i can't see it

[20:50]

tortoise said it did finish it, and it was ok

[20:51]

<DeepB>

ok, i see it now

[20:51]

i'm painfully merging the files now

[20:52]

<DeepB>

oh, webkid has it's own one

[20:52]

oh, wait a moment. crap, i have done the wrong checkout. i checked out from head

[20:53]

<DeepB>

quote: ok, then make sure you checked out mine

[20:53]

what happens to that wrong branch i made ?

<DeepB>

absolutely nothing

<Yono>

nice filebrowser nero, XI coming later?

<DeepB>

you can merge branches

Yono: does it work for you ?

<Yono>

yep

DeepB: ok, so i'm checking out the right one now

<Yono>

30GB USB 2.0 w/ N1 brain

<DeepB>

you can just merge instead of checking out all that stuff again

<Yono>

well, it was nice while it lasted

Yono: yes, but it didn't crash or freeze or anything after a while ? it is expected to do so

<Yono>

ERROR 0x7800

[20:56]

<Yono>

I tried to enter my MUSIC folder

[20:56]

DeepB: merge the branch

[20:56]

from "my branch" to "garbage" ?

[20:58]

<DeepB>

brb

[21:04]

yono, how many items does your music folder have ?

[21:04]

<Yono>

I don't know, I'd assume less than 1000

[21:05]

<Yono>

including subfolders and subitems, about 3000

it was probably too much for the browser in its current state, because that 0x7800 is the error i throw when it goes out of memory

does it work in less crowded folders ?

<Yono>

fair enough

say, less than 30 items

<Yono>

yes, it works in my old NDBM folder

[21:08]

<Yono>

however, it seems to choose random words for the title of the menu when inside it

[21:08]

<Yono>

for example, when I enter the NDBM folder, the top of the screen says BAR

[21:09]

well, if you happen to play around with it for a while, tell me if it gets out with an error that starts with 0x80

[21:09]

that "FOO" and "BAR" are test words i put in place of the title, because i didn't know what to put in there

should it have just the folder name, or the whole path ?

i have not decided yet

<Yono>

just the folder name for now

<Yono>

if you decide on PATH later, then that would be fine

[21:12]

both would need a scrolling title bar, IMHO.

[21:12]

folder names are too long usually

[21:13]

<Yono>

true, but part of the folder name, is better than none

[21:15]

agreed

[21:17]

<Yono>

alright, I'll be back in a little while

[21:17]

<Yono>

ttyl

[21:38]

I have to go, i need to be at the cinema in fifteen minutes. bye!

[21:38]

l8r

[21:54]

<Yono>

ok, back

[21:59]

hey yono

<Yono>

hey josh

<Yono>

what's up?

oh - just waiting on compiles, etc.

(I was just saying hey, that's all :)

<Yono>

heh

[22:10]

<DeepB>

back

[22:10]

<DeepB>

toy soldiers... lah lah lah

[22:11]

wow - my boss is bitching somebody out on the phone

[22:11]

seriously!

[22:12]

<DeepB>

cheer him!

[22:12]

heh - its one of the engineers in the main office

[22:13]

we're supposed to drive 3+ hours to the main offc tomorrow but the hardware guys aren't ready for us

[22:13]

(this is the 2nd time we've had to put this off because of them)

[23:32]

are there any candidates for doing MPC yet?

[23:34]

i think they said they had someone willing to do it, but there were looking to see if anyone that new MPC better would do it

[23:34]

dunno if they have found anyone else yet

[23:41]

cool

[23:44]

but i think CiTay is the one that knows for sure

[23:45]

maybe if you pm him he will respond, since he doesnt seem to be right now

[23:47]

no hurry

[23:50]

and i think hes from europe, so he might be asleep right now

[23:52]

<Seed>

Germans don't sleep

[23:56]

<CiTay>

that's correct

<CiTay>

efficiency and sleep don't fit together

<Seed>

:D

<Seed>

good night

<Seed>

no sleep and work don't fit together

<CiTay>

night Seed

<DeepB>

anyone here familiar with the way VFW and/or DShow codecs are registered?

ah hey CiTay

is this true what i hear about MPC?

<CiTay>

DeepB: regsvr32 blabla.ax

<CiTay>

from cmd

(that there is one candidate for doing it but NA is still looking for someone more experienced)