Log from #neuros IRC channel

I thought aptitude removed my /usr/local the other day

Well, it did. But luckily, it's just a symlink

/mnt/nonsys/usr_local was just fine, luckily

lol

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is aptitude a new virus?

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Replacement for apt-get

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why would you need to replace that?

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* SmrtJustin <3 portage + emereg

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emerge*

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I dunno. Can't remember what I read or where it was. What I *do* remember is it supposedly does things better.

who all runs gentoo?

on this channel I mean...

I burnt a gentoo live cd once. That's as far as I've gotten.

lol

i did that too and then realized i didn't need it

* inkedmn_ is a deb guy

aptitude is great

and it's not exactly a replacement

i believe it uses apt-get

i use it exclusively

it is sort of a console frontend

<inkedmn_>

it's a frontend for apt

which is ok...

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the main great thing, though, is that it keeps track of which programs were installed only because they were required by something you selected

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if you later remove the program that you selected, then if the required programs aren't required by anything else that you had selected later, they're removed

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it works like a charm

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i think i read that emerge can do that too... although i don't know the syntax

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i haven't heard of emerge

i'm still learning this os, but dang if it ain't fast

emerge is the package manager for gentoo

ah

<inkedmn_>

sorune: are you using gentoo?

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yes

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<inkedmn_>

word

I'm pretty sure aptitude uses dpkg, and is built from scratch (no deselect or apt-get)

dselect*

why is gentoo cooler than sid?

i've tried so many different distributions, but i think i'll be sticking with this one

chreekat: it doesn't use dselect

chreekat: if it doesn't use apt-get, it uses all of its configuration files etc.

debian is one i haven't tried, so can't comment on that

ah

<inkedmn_>

Description: terminal-based apt frontend

<inkedmn_>

aptitude is a terminal-based apt frontend with a number of useful

<inkedmn_>

features,

<inkedmn_>

etc.

sorune: i would reccomend debian although i have never tried gentoo. but i would imagine that gentoo is great because of the fact that it is based on debian :)

<inkedmn_>

(from "apt-cache show aptitude")

<inkedmn_>

uh, i don't think gentoo is based on debian

<inkedmn_>

gentoo is a source distro

<inkedmn_>

debian is not

gentoo is better than debian if you are patient

<inkedmn_>

why?

cuz gentoo compiles from source

so open office took me about 12 hours to install...

<inkedmn_>

why does that make it better?

debian is identical to gentoo, if you are patient. :) Both are pretty flexible.

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<inkedmn_>

it took me about 30 seconds to install open office :p

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<inkedmn_>

and i'm pretty sure your version isn't any faster than mine

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it is a bit faster

i noticied a little difference

but it wasnt worth it to me

and i couldnt get gentoo to mount my neuros :(

<inkedmn_>

debian mounts mine just fine :)

and mine

<inkedmn_>

that's another thing about debian, everything just works :)

thats why im using debian right now

noiz: didn't you say that the neuros can't mount it's drive

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well, that happened yesterday

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i don't know if gentoo is faster than debian, i just know it's quite a bit faster than mandrake/red hat/fedora/suse and all the other stinkin' one's i've tried

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:)

<inkedmn_>

well, rpm-based distros are crap

<inkedmn_>

(imho)

amen

<inkedmn_>

and if debian didn't exist, i'd probably use freebsd

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i'm not that hard core :)

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<inkedmn_>

eh, freebsd is actually pretty similar to gentoo (as far as package management)

yeah, but you'd need to write all the drivers yourself

<inkedmn_>

huh?

<inkedmn_>

i've installed freebsd on a handful of machines and it's detected just about everything

the driver support is very lacking

<inkedmn_>

compared to what? linux?

yes

we're talking about x86, right?

<inkedmn_>

that's not been my experience, but i'm not really enough of a freebsd guy to effectively argue my position

<inkedmn_>

yes

well, i haven't tried it in the last 5 yrs, so i guess i shouldn't comment either

<inkedmn_>

ah, i installed it about 6 months ago

it's probably grown a lot since then

<inkedmn_>

i'd say so :)

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<Yono>

hey

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hey

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hey

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<Yono>

hey derobert, do you want full stats for the recorder?

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Yono: yeah, that'd be nic

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Yono: not as nice as having one, but still nice :-)

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Bah, my friend's MuVo NX won't play nice

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I can mount it and read it's fs, but it chokes on sync

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i had a muvo for about 2 wks

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i think i remember it being fat16

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did you mount it as vfat?

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yeah

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hm

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in other news, it just synced.

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But, 5 minutes for 5 megs?

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Not to mention the song not showing up on the device.

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sorune: if I can mount it as vfat, and I can browse the directories, does that mean it's fat32? Or does it mean it is breaking in a discreet manner?

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i imagine that will cause problems

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I can add directories and transfer files, and unmount (although sync takes forever, as mentioned)

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Although I can't play the songs with the MuVo, I can plug it back in and everything is where I left it

that's weird

try mounting as msdos

oh, it's working better not

now

[04:19]

Ahhh, I think I might have confused it with the directory structure

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i think it only goes one level deep

but it's been too long

not sure

Yes.

I was wondering that a bit myself.

I had artist/album/song.mp3, and it didn't like that.

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/song.mp3 and /foo/song.mp3 are both allowed.

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yeah, that's what i remember

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i guess vfat has a fat16 compatibility mode

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I can't believe how long it's taking though

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I'll try mounting it fat16 to see if something changes

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hehe, ~1 !!

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joys of fat16

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i don't remember it being 8.3 though...

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hmmm...

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Well, I have to guess that it's showing up as arch_e~1 instead of Arch_Enemy because of Linux. I can mount it fat32 to get the full names

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yeah

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Heh, the demo .wma on the device has spaces in the filename

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google says there's a firmware update to provide fat32 support

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you must already have that firmware

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for the muvo, or muvo nx? Yeah, I'm guessing so, as well.

nx

1min/MB is unacceptable for a 256MB device. I wonder what's wrong.

gonna try a diff controller..

the nx is usb 2.0 right?

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is it? My friend didn't think so. Either way, I have it plugged in to my 2.0 controller right now.

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i guess 1m/mb would be slow for usb1.1 as well

* chreekat doesn't know anything about ohci, uhci, or ehci

But ohci complains when I plug the thing in

At least, I think this is a complaint:

ohci_hcd 0000:00:12.1: urb dfd2a140 path 1 ep0in 5fc20000 cc 5 --> status -110

chreekat: have you tried it in sync mode? That can help at times

(e.g., -o sync to mount)

I'll try it otu

Ah, found it: it's definitely USB1.1

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later everyone, good luck chreekat

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later

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haha--whatever the problem is, I think it's with my computer, not the muvo. i'm guessing some sort of conflict

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night

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<erwan_taf>

lo

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<erwan_ho>

hi folks

hey

good evening people

i need to decompress

badly

\away

ok...

hey Yono

<Yono>

hey noiz

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<Yono>

didn't Starkey used to be an op?

yeah

<Yono>

hmm interesting

i think edgbon is the one that registered this channel, but he is rarely on :)

and he had given Starkey op status

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hola Starkey-treo

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<Starkey-treo>

Bon jour!

<Yono>

hey Starkey

<Starkey-treo>

howdy!

<Starkey-treo>

guess what I got yesterday

<Yono>

a recorder in the mail?

<Yono>

a pet pirhana?

<Yono>

a clone?

<Starkey-treo>

actually ups

<Yono>

cool, but how will you survive without the gamma coffee cup?

<Yono>

;)

<Starkey-treo>

it looks better than the picturs show

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<Starkey-treo>

I don't drink coffee. :)

i dont drink either

<Yono>

me neither

<Yono>

but I dish out sarcasm!

<Yono>

and pasta, so I must go eat dinner, ttyl

<Starkey-treo>

I drink water. I'm boring

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i like gatorade, lot better tasting then water

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<Starkey-treo>

gatorade is not bad

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<Starkey-treo>

its very dry here so you have to drink a bunch

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<Starkey-treo>

gatorade would bankrupt me :)

thats why you steal it ;)

jk

but it would work...