[00:00]	<Starkey-treo>	pasta is some boring food
[00:01]	<Starkey-treo>	just wanted to mention that
[00:02]	<chreekat>	duly noted
[00:02]	<noiz77>	i think it depends on what kind of pasta
[00:02]	<Starkey-treo>	yeah, it needs meat on it
[00:03]	<Starkey-treo>	or in it
[00:03]	<Starkey-treo>	that's the carnivore in me talking
[00:03]	<noiz77>	meat is good
[00:04]	<noiz77>	i cant understand why anyone would want to be a vegiterian...
[00:04]	<Starkey-treo>	and they can't understand why you eat meat
[00:05]	<Starkey-treo>	its what makes life exciting
[00:05]	<noiz77>	i saw a tabliod headline a while ago that said "Man eating hamburger created by PETA!"
[00:06]	<Starkey-treo>	sounds like an Onion story
[00:07]	<noiz77>	yeah, the Onion is great
[00:07]	<noiz77>	i even have a desk calender from them
[00:07]	<Starkey-treo>	I do too
[00:08]	<Starkey-treo>	last year I did
[00:08]	<Starkey-treo>	not 2005
[00:08]	<noiz77>	i have the 2005 one
[00:28]	<DeltaZap>	I guess we can turn this place into a pre-MPEG4 recorder party
[00:28]	<Yono>	I guess so
[00:29]	<DeltaZap>	I'm still debating if I want to get one to try out
[00:29]	<Yono>	well, six months return policy
[00:29]	<DeltaZap>	The largest problem is finding something to record because I hardly even watch TV as it is
[00:30]	<Yono>	hey CiTay
[00:30]	<CiTay>	ah hi
[00:33]	<DeltaZap>	oops, Kathryn slipped up a bit
[00:33]	<Yono>	heh, I noticed
[00:34]	<ivel>	so recalled huh?
[00:34]	<ivel>	so are you not supposed to announce woot deals or what?
[00:34]	<DeltaZap>	just the message
[00:34]	<Koron>	well
[00:34]	<Koron>	are you sure it's not just because she doesn't want it to be seen by anyone not already on the list?
[00:34]	<DeltaZap>	I think she was probably getting the message all ready and formatted and just slipped up and hit send
[00:35]	<DeltaZap>	it was only sent to those on the list
[00:35]	<Koron>	I mean, isn't is possible to get a list of past sent messages?
[00:35]	<Koron>	if she does a recall, it effectively disappears from that
[00:35]	<ivel>	oh i see....
[00:36]	<ivel>	well i still have it
[00:36]	<DeltaZap>	Ah, yeah, i see what you are saying
[00:36]	<Koron>	conspiracy theories aside, I think that's what happened :-p
[00:37]	<DeltaZap>	no, it's still up on the mailing list
[00:38]	<Koron>	oh, weird
[00:38]	<DeltaZap>	It looks like she submitted it, recalled it, then submitted it again
[00:39]	<Koron>	it seems like a cool gadget, just doesn't seem like there is a huge market for it
[00:39]	<ivel>	hrm... Koron i feel the same way
[00:39]	<DeltaZap>	I agree, that's why i'm a bit wary about grabbing one
[00:39]	<DeltaZap>	having something to display pictures is a neat feature, though
[00:42]	<ivel>	think i'm pretty much set till N3 comes out....
[00:42]	<solomon>	i wonder whether early Q3 would be a bold estimate on the n3
[00:42]	<solomon>	as opposed to late Q3
[00:43]	<ivel>	your guess is as good as anyones!
[00:43]	<solomon>	because i will be going on a long hiking trip in the summer
[00:43]	<ivel>	dinner!
[00:43]	<solomon>	and i am really hoping that i can use the neuros to xfer pics from my camera
[00:43]	<solomon>	then i could take many many pics
[00:43]	<Koron>	a 512mb card is purty cheap :-p
[00:44]	<DeltaZap>	1 gig cards aren't badly priced either
[00:44]	<Yono>	solomon: syncbox!
[00:46]	<solomon>	huh
[00:46]	<solomon>	oh
[00:46]	<solomon>	eh
[00:47]	<solomon>	how about 80 1 gig cards?
[00:47]	<solomon>	:D
[00:47]	<solomon>	it will be a 6.3 mpixel camera, each image is.. what.. alittle less than 4 MB
[00:48]	<solomon>	and i am a beginner, i will probably want to do something i just learned about in my photography class called "bracketing"
[00:49]	<solomon>	where you take anywhere from 3-9 pics of that same thing, at different f-stops and shutters speeds and iso settings to guard against your errors in judging the lighting etc.
[00:50]	<solomon>	and let's say i take 5 different angles on each subject i capture -- that's for still subjects of course, if i got wildlife i might just have it take 2.5 pictures per second for many seconds
[00:51]	<solomon>	but on still subjects, then, 1 shot would take up about 40M bracketed, 5 shots would take up 200M, so i would fill a 1G card after shooting 5 subjects
[00:51]	<solomon>	hehe
[00:51]	<solomon>	Yono: so.. what's a syncbox :)
[00:52]	<Koron>	well, I didn't realize you were going overboard with an almost excessive resolution camera
[00:52]	<Koron>	:-p
[00:52]	<Koron>	depends on what you're doing with them
[00:52]	<Yono>	solomon: the original www.neurosaudio.com
[00:52]	<Koron>	> 3 megapixels is enough for 95% of people
[00:52]	<Yono>	thats MSRP, you could get cheaper
[00:52]	<Yono>	or
[00:52]	<Yono>	www.macally.com
[00:53]	<Yono>	thats vaporware it seems :(
[00:53]	<solomon>	Koron: it's actually the minimum resolution you are going to get with a kickass digital SLR camera
[00:53]	<solomon>	Koron: which is what i am really going overboard with
[00:53]	<Koron>	yow
[00:53]	<Koron>	those are all $1000+
[00:54]	<solomon>	www.bhphotovideo.com
[00:54]	<solomon>	Koron: $700 used, _with_ the $150 lense
[00:54]	<Koron>	cool
[00:54]	<solomon>	Koron: pretty pricey, but i am going for it :)
[00:55]	<solomon>	Yono: hey, _WOW_
[00:55]	<solomon>	Yono: i had no idea that existed.. and it is exactly what i want
[00:55]	<solomon>	Yono: it is almost unfortunate that i know it exists now because it means i will probably spend another $150 on things i don't need
[00:55]	<Yono>	solomon: its been tested to work with the USB 2.0 backpack
[00:56]	<solomon>	Yono: for that, and a $100 battery pack to make the thing go for a long long time
[00:56]	<solomon>	Yono: and i'm already spending $300 on the 80G usb2 backpack :)
[00:56]	* solomon  remembers when he bought the neuros largely because it was the cheapest option :)
[00:56]	<Yono>	lol
[00:57]	<Yono>	well solomon, if you search around there are about 3 or so other devices like that
[00:57]	<Yono>	I think ecost.com had the syncbox the cheapest with free shipping
[00:59]	<solomon>	i just figured it up
[00:59]	<solomon>	i could take 28,000 pictures before having to reach another computer for syncing
[00:59]	<solomon>	Yono: they all attach to the neuros?
[01:00]	<Yono>	yep
[01:00]	<Yono>	the n3 with the USB host would be easier, but oh well
[01:00]	<solomon>	hehe yeah and lighter
[01:01]	<Yono>	solomon: just not the USB 1.1 port, because it isn't interpreted as a USB mass storage device like the port on the backpack
[01:02]	<Yono>	however remember the syncbox works slow because it can only transfer at USB 1.1
[01:03]	<solomon>	Yono: it says it supports usb2.. does i mean it runs it at 1.1 speed or something?
[01:03]	<Yono>	yep
[01:04]	<Yono>	here's the original topic: www.neurosaudio.com
[01:59]	* derobert  wonders if he should start singing "Tonight"
[02:05]	<ink|work>	absolutely
[02:12]	<derobert>	Well, then... "♩ Tonight, tonight, won'ts be just any night... ♩"
[02:13]	<derobert>	Actually, maybe this version is better:
[02:14]	<derobert>	"Tonight, tonight \\ it all began tonight \\ I saw you and the world went away..."
[02:14]	<derobert>	Except now I'm singing a girl's part, and that's weird :-(
[02:38]	<Yono>	hello
[02:57]	<sorune>	hello
[02:58]	<sorune>	i'm looking for an EAC replacement for linux, is grip the best out there?
[02:59]	<ink|work>	eac?
[02:59]	<brenden>	cdparanoia
[02:59]	<sorune>	exact audio copy, i believe
[02:59]	<ink|work>	ah
[02:59]	<brenden>	er
[02:59]	<brenden>	wait
[02:59]	<ink|work>	you can use grip to rip cds
[02:59]	<ink|work>	as far as burning cds, cdrecord will do it
[03:00]	<sorune>	ok
[03:00]	<brenden>	yeah, cdparanoia is good
[03:01]	<brenden>	it attempts to make perfect copies
[03:01]	<sorune>	i think grip uses it as it's backend
[03:01]	<brenden>	would make sense
[03:01]	<brenden>	i think i've only ever ripped one cd in linux
[03:02]	<sorune>	that's where i'm coming from, i only use EAC
[03:02]	<brenden>	even though i've been using it exclusively for more then a year now
[03:03]	<sorune>	i have used cdex, but eac seems to clean up scratches better
[03:04]	<brenden>	when i used windows, i always used cdex
[03:06]	<sorune>	now that i've finally got a responsive desktop on linux, i'm trying to wean myself from the darkside too :)
[03:11]	<chreekat>	Anyone know anything about texinfo?
[03:11]	<brenden>	www.gnu.org
[03:13]	<chreekat>	as far as I can tell, the default hardcopy letter size is legal. I need letter.
[03:13]	<chreekat>	er. "hardcopy paper size"
[03:27]	<chreekat>	hm, dips -t letter should be all I need
[03:27]	<chreekat>	dvips*
[03:29]	<chreekat>	That got it... yay.
[03:30]	<chreekat>	Printing the gcc internals manual has taken way too much time
[03:30]	<chreekat>	I'm set now; just have to find the double-sided printer that is somewhere in this building...
[03:30]	<brenden>	full duplex rocks
[03:32]	<unknown_lamer>	I wish I could find a european printer
[03:33]	<unknown_lamer>	and use european sizes
[03:33]	<unknown_lamer>	because they make far more sense, especially whatever size that is less than A4 is (I forgot if bigger number = bigger paper or the other way around)
[03:33]	<unknown_lamer>	because that paper is the perfect size for printing really long stuff that has to be stapled together and then carried around.