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<DeepB>

the local folder where you have what you think it was the nerochiaro branch

<DeepB>

pick build.bat

<DeepB>

and show the file's properties

in the root ? i removed it

[01:16]

i can do that with the howto.txt

[01:16]

<DeepB>

ok

[01:16]

<DeepB>

what's its tag?

[01:17]

"sticky tag" ? none

[01:17]

and "revision" is 1.2

[01:17]

<DeepB>

that is HEAD

[01:18]

yeah

[01:18]

so ?

[01:19]

<DeepB>

if you had tagged it with nerochiaro, it should have that label

[01:20]

ok, then it means i didn't properly create the branch ? is that it ?

[01:21]

<DeepB>

nope, you created it, as it is there, but you haven't merged your changes to the right one

[01:23]

ok, i stand corrected. now then, if get a checkout of the nerochiaro branch, then merge it with the right stuff, how do i use tortoise correctly to checkin to the correct branch ?

[01:23]

<DeepB>

and, btw, you commited to HEAD on 02/02, about ten days ago

[01:25]

<DeepB>

so, all this time you were working on HEAD

[01:25]

yes, because i did that in 2 steps, one 10 days ago, when you helped me create the branch: see the label on that commit to head "initial merge with garbage" (or something like that). is it ?

[01:25]

the other step, today.

[01:26]

<DeepB>

i'll delete your branch, then just make a new one out of HEAD

[01:27]

<DeepB>

yep, but maybe ten days ago you commited you changes before actually tagging your files

[01:27]

i didn't remember doing a tag, so you're right

[01:27]

<DeepB>

and they ended in HEAD instead

ok, that's it then.

<DeepB>

tag/branch, that's practically the same thing

<Yono>

woah, nerochiaro, ur firmware isn't stable

well, anyway go ahead and delete/recreate the branch

Yono: even when not using the file browser ?

<Yono>

I couldn't get that far

<Yono>

it crashed in the middle of installation

Yono: i have been using it for 10 days now, without a problem. that's unlikely

[01:30]

<Yono>

then I got an error whenever I booted up so I totally formatted the NAND

[01:30]

Yono: not that i don't believe you, but something else is probably amiss

[01:31]

<Yono>

ok

[01:31]

<Yono>

but I merged most everything except some header files and animations and some other minor stuff

[01:32]

Yono: try using the one i sent you, as it is. if it fails even vanilla, then it's my fault. else it's your partial merge that broke something. easy as that, IMHO

[01:33]

<Yono>

ok

[01:36]

<Yono>

hmm

[01:37]

<Yono>

does it always say Error limit reached. Compilation terminated. in the middle of a build?

[01:37]

never seen that

[01:38]

have you tried doing a clean, then rebuild again

[01:38]

?

[01:38]

<Yono>

no, this is the first time I've built with ur source

[01:39]

<Yono>

ok, I'm doing a clean now

[01:40]

one more reason to restart it from scratch. "make -f neuros200.mak clean" then make-d

[01:40]

<Yono>

thats what I'm doin

[01:41]

mmh, then i don't know.

[01:41]

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: did you have that infamous 53 lotto fever too?

[01:42]

<DeepB>

or was it only on Venice?

[01:43]

my bad luck at games is legendary. but many have it, even outside venice. venice is just the draft where the number is missing

[01:43]

but you can bet on it from all italy

[01:45]

DeepB: you play lotto ?

[01:45]

<DeepB>

nope, not at all

[01:45]

<DeepB>

but i read a lot of RSS

[01:46]

<DeepB>

and many have mentioned that fever as something going completely insane

[01:46]

hehe yeah, that's what i'm reading on the newspapers too. and passing in front of a lotto stand today i saw the owner sticking posters with the number 53 all over the place.

[01:49]

but really, i think lotto is a stupid way to waste your money. you're better off to a casino, if you really like gambling. or go betting on the results of soccer matches. but not lotto, the maths is just wrong in that game.

[01:51]

<DeepB>

heh, now it looks like you have to bet for the 4 in Milano, 120 games without it

[01:52]

<DeepB>

holy crap, it won't end

[01:54]

heh, i'll tell you how bad is my luck at games: risiko, you know it, right ? i am so unlucky at it, that even if i was infused with the tactical cunning of Napoleon, i would lose the same because you can't win when all your important dice roll are always losing

[01:54]

<DeepB>

risiko == Risk , that strategy game?

[01:55]

yep

[01:55]

i though in spain they mantained the latin-like translation we use here

[01:56]

<DeepB>

nope, it was called Risk here, as the Monopoly and the Twister

[01:57]

twister is the same here. monopoly became monopoli

[01:57]

weirdness

[01:58]

<DeepB>

talking about italian (kell, kinda) stuff

[01:59]

<DeepB>

i'm SO excited about the new Godfather game!

[01:59]

never seen it

<DeepB>

it hasn't been released yet

<DeepB>

but it looks awesome

<DeepB>

original voices from Brando, and the rest of the original stuff

you mean, it's a tabletop game inspired by the godfather ?

or a videogame ?

<DeepB>

nope, a videogame

[02:01]

ah, i see now. i'll try to fetch some teaser movie. i'd guess gamespot and the like would have some promo material. what genre of game is it ?

[02:02]

<DeepB>

something like the GTA series, i guess

[02:04]

<DeepB>

files.ea.com

[02:05]

fitting. the second was nice, for a while. got boring fast for me, though. i'm more for strategy or roleplay games. i'm not playing alpha centauri, to give you an idea

[02:05]

<DeepB>

i can't play that kind of games

[02:06]

why ?

[02:06]

<DeepB>

they absorb me, i can't leave my room, i stop talking to people, they kill my social abilities

[02:07]

<DeepB>

they're so f*cking addictive

[02:07]

hehe, i understand you. i perfectly understand you. -- but mind you, i don't dislike a good shooter once in a while (half life 2 was hella cool, i loved it)

the problem is that for me a good shooter is as addictive as it is a good strategy game, so ...

<DeepB>

last one i played was Bloodlines2

<DeepB>

HL2 engine

<DeepB>

vampires

<DeepB>

roleplay

[02:09]

<DeepB>

action

[02:09]

oh, nice. buggy as hell, though, and heavy. half-action, half-roleplay

[02:09]

liked it ?

<DeepB>

i loved it, and the music too, there was our friend Scabbia shouting out loud

yeah, in the closing title

and maybe in a clud

club

<DeepB>

yep

[02:11]

the rest of the music was good too. what clan did you pick ?

[02:11]

<DeepB>

nosferatu, of course

[02:12]

heh, i just the contrary, Toreador

[02:12]

<DeepB>

oh, that's just gay ;)

[02:13]

yeah, the way he moved was terribly gay. but i wanted to play a smooth talker kind of character, so i picked that.

[02:14]

<DeepB>

yeah, the Toreador can pick up girls at the clubs

[02:14]

the "keep hidden 'cos you're a freak" kind of character that can't talk to anyone (nosferatu) didn't really fit me. vampires are more like ann rice's stuff in my opinion. modern ones, at least

[02:15]

<DeepB>

yep, we've always seen that kind of charming vampire

[02:16]

<DeepB>

that's why i wanted to test the darkest one

[02:16]

i understand that. i was told that you move using the sewers, mostly

[02:16]

<DeepB>

yep, no taxi for us

[02:17]

heh. the tremere chick was "cool" too, with the really emo glasses and the skirt.

<DeepB>

lol

<DeepB>

did you manage to make something to VV?

<DeepB>

i clearly couldn't, no matter how hard i tried

VV, the very goth chick in the sex club ?

no, of course no

[02:19]

<DeepB>

gosh, that very hot one

[02:19]

but was kinda funky to have heather change look at the snap of a finger

[02:19]

too bad she gets killed no matter what in the end. no way to save her in the script, i am told.

[02:20]

lame

[02:20]

<DeepB>

heather?

[02:20]

<DeepB>

who's heather?

[02:21]

maybe you didn't get that part, becaue of the stealth thingie. it's a girl you can save in the hospital feeding her blood. then becomes your ghoul, and personal blood bank that sits in your house and waits for you

[02:22]

<DeepB>

and, yes, i feed her, the she panicked and started screaming calling the guards, so i had to kill her ;)

[02:22]

<DeepB>

*fed

[02:23]

in my case, she didn't. just fell asleep. then i found her outside of the ventrue palace, and was begging for another fix of blood. damn junkies ;)

[02:23]

<DeepB>

haha

[02:25]

too bad the last part of the game was boring, all fight and no more rpg

[02:26]

<DeepB>

i really had a hard time with the damn werewolf

[02:26]

plus by that time i was already too powerful, 5 points celerity is overkill for every kind of enemy, thus getting bored even more

[02:26]

werewolf was nice. took me a lot to figure out how to splat him in the telescope dome

[02:27]

oh, who did you keep alive of the 2 mad twin sisters ?

[02:27]

<DeepB>

so, you killed it? gosh, i run like a girl, and barely scaped with 1 point of life

[02:28]

<DeepB>

the sexy, crazy, fatherfucking one

[02:28]

heh, i figured that the rotating dome was there for a reason. i got killed verious times before timing it right.

[02:29]

and my first impulse was to hide in some corner hoping the huge beast could not reach me there ;)

[02:30]

<DeepB>

yep, i was completely invisible by then, but he managed to find me no matter what

[02:31]

he's a werewolf after all. in the original pen and paper rpg they are basically the only natural enemies of vampires

[02:31]

<DeepB>

and the damn buggy door behaviour killed me a thousand times

[02:31]

bugs bugs. there were tons of them

[02:32]

and general sluggishness, especially in trasitions from inside to outside buildings. of which there were a lot

[02:32]

<DeepB>

yep, that was really boring

[02:33]

they probably had a non optimized version of the source engine, seeing how hl2 managed to pull it off the same transitions on even larger areas exceptionally smoothly

[02:34]

if haven't yet, you should play it. it's the best shooter i played so far. by a large margin too

[02:34]

<DeepB>

yep, the game was finished with a beta source engine a while ago, and put in hold for HL2 to reach the stores

[02:35]

<DeepB>

in fact it was released a couple of days after, i think, for contract issues

[02:35]

<DeepB>

yep, HL2 was awesome

[02:36]

bad move imho, since they had all the time to work on it more, since troika games wasn't working at anything else in the meantime (according to the designer himself)

<Yono>

DeepB: is there a way to list all the errors during a compile in something other than the console?

<DeepB>

yep, besides, the developers weren't granted resources for no more than 1 patch after the release

Yono: why you need that ?

DeepB: which was never released, AFAIK

DeepB: unless i missed something

<DeepB>

yep, there is a patch, i played it with it

<DeepB>

and an unofficial one

<Yono>

when I build console apps in VB .net, its easier to figure out which error are where, but in the console its very ugly and would be hard to find 100

<DeepB>

Yono: if you want, console redirection is your friend, play along with it

DeepB: oh, then i missed the official one. last time i checked the designer said they had the patch ready, but the publisher didn't want them to release it.

<Yono>

so the error limit is 100, so all I gotta do is get the number of errors down to 99

<Yono>

goddamn it, did they have a monkey code audio.c?

<DeepB>

Yono: one single error, and it won't build

<Yono>

100 errors detected in the compilation of "audio.c".

yono: so adding that line didn't fix it ?

<Yono>

grr, I've got to find out what is wrong with this

<Yono>

nope

[02:41]

then i'll go to bed. it's 3AM and i'm collapsing. good night everyone

[02:41]

<DeepB>

Yono: that's me who merged audio.c, do i look like a monkey :)

[02:41]

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: wait

[02:42]

ok

[02:42]

DeepB: "a monkey with a C compiler" - i'm quoting you ;) ;)

[02:42]

<DeepB>

touch�

[02:43]

<Yono>

DeepB: no comment is availiable at this time, Yono is not answering the 100 emails and phone calls that we send him every second

[02:43]

Yono: so, can i go now ?

[02:43]

<Yono>

have fun

[02:44]

<Yono>

later

[02:45]

but really yono, the fact you get errors in the audio.c file is because AFAIK it's the first that gets compiled, i think. i believed that the error where there because you don't have set the TI tools env vars, but you did. so i don't know why you still get these errors

[02:46]

i confirm, it's the first. the file is right, because we all compile it ok. you don't compile it because something is amiss with your paths and env vars or both. the same thing happened to erwan, as i said, and i remember this was the cause. don't remember the fix, sorry

[02:46]

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: ok, now you have your branch on place

[02:47]

DeepB: is that == HEAD now ?

[02:47]

or == garbage ?

[02:47]

<DeepB>

equals to the HEAD you comitted lately

[02:48]

ouch, my head hurts. ok. so if i checkout that, and work on that, when i commit it goes in the right place hopefully ?

[02:49]

<DeepB>

yep, it should

[02:49]

commit for me window monkey boy is "right click on root directory, tortoise -> CVS commit"

[02:49]

is that it ?

<DeepB>

wait

with the necessary CVS add in the middle, if i add files

<DeepB>

first, forget all you may have locally

done

<DeepB>

checkout the current nerochiaro branch

ok, i'm not doing it now, but go ahead

[02:51]

<DeepB>

then, commit as usual

[02:51]

wait. first checkout, then work on it, then commit

[02:51]

is that right ?

[02:52]

<DeepB>

that's it, i usually have a separated folder for working locally which i then later merge to the CVS managed one

[02:52]

<DeepB>

but you can skip this point if you want

[02:52]

ok. i'll see if merge is painful enough or not.

[02:53]

last thing, then i'll go. is the commit procedure for tortoise

[02:53]

"right click on root directory, tortoise -> CVS commit"

[02:53]

correct ?

[02:54]

<DeepB>

yep

[02:54]

<DeepB>

don't forget to add new files if needed

[02:55]

<DeepB>

and i find out why you ended committing to HEAD

[02:55]

<DeepB>

after creating the branch, you didn't update your local folder

<DeepB>

but maybe i forgot to tell you to do so

makes sense. maybe i didn't understand it, or forgot. don't know. i'll try to avoid that next time. but if you can fix the head, when you have time, i think it will be better. your choice, though.

good night now, seriously