[00:22]	<AmericanTechpush>	ok audio solved
[00:25]	<noiz77>	AmericanTechpush: making some samples?
[00:26]	<AmericanTechpush>	indeed
[00:57]	<Yono>	JoeBorn: you still around?
[00:58]	<JoeBorn>	in and out, but yes
[00:58]	<Yono>	I've been looking into the PVP processor
[00:58]	<JoeBorn>	yes, sir
[00:58]	<Yono>	look at this: www.cadenux.com
[00:58]	<Yono>	these guys can have uclinux ported to it by the time you release it
[00:59]	<Yono>	and none of that 2.0 crap, the real 2.6 kernel :)
[01:00]	<Yono>	The DM270 uClinux 2.0 or 2.6 port can be made available upon request.
[01:06]	<JoeBorn>	they show the DSC25 too
[01:06]	<Yono>	I know
[01:06]	<Yono>	but I told you that already
[01:07]	<Yono>	I gave you the link to that part yesterday
[01:07]	<Yono>	I just didn't realize that they ported to the PVP processor
[01:07]	<JoeBorn>	oh, well that's great.
[01:08]	<Yono>	If you release a PVP running ulinux kernel 2.6, I guarantee you won't regret it
[01:11]	<JoeBorn>	that's great, very exciting
[01:11]	<Yono>	yes, and they already have a ton of drivers completed
[01:13]	<Yono>	and depending on what CPU you choose for the N3, this might be a good place to look for porting uclinux also
[01:14]	<Yono>	JoeBorn: if you didn't notice, one of the addition drivers for the DSC25 is USB Client :)
[01:17]	<GarBage-zZ>	adding that Nutt guy (the Cadenux co-founder and CTO) to the Neuros dev staff would be just sweet
[01:18]	<Yono>	hey GarBage, you see the link?
[01:19]	<GarBage-zZ>	what one?
[01:19]	<Yono>	that company has already done so much work that would help NA
[01:19]	<Yono>	the one just above
[01:19]	<Yono>	cadenux.com/bsp...
[01:20]	<GarBage-zZ>	just did it now
[01:22]	<JoeBorn>	actually though, we've kind of committed to windows CE for the next 24 months
[01:22]	<GarBage-zZ>	they're really deep into getting TI stuff into linux platforms
[01:22]	<JoeBorn>	... just kidding
[01:22]	<Yono>	whew, had me worried there
[01:22]	<GarBage-zZ>	JoeBorn: save that for april's fool ;)
[01:22]	<JoeBorn>	yuk yuk
[01:25]	<Yono>	well, if even GarBage is impressed, Cadenux must be pretty good ;)
[01:25]	<GarBage-zZ>	*was*, i think they went bankrupt ;)
[01:26]	<Yono>	why?
[01:26]	<Yono>	they still posted at what's new in the end of december
[01:27]	<JoeBorn>	even so, it could be a great source of individual talent
[01:27]	<Yono>	yes, there is no doubt that Nutt would be useful to you guys
[01:27]	<GarBage-zZ>	JoeBorn: read the Nutt resume yono sent to you lately?
[01:27]	<Yono>	he forwarded it to Gao
[01:29]	<AmericanTechpush>	Recorder samples posted in the forum
[01:32]	<noiz77>	what quality are those samples at?
[01:33]	<AmericanTechpush>	superfine
[01:36]	<AmericanTechpush>	edited post to clarifly
[01:58]	<AmericanTechpush>	I will do a superfine vs fine with the DVD source Joe..
[02:02]	<JoeBorn>	thanks, I think that would be useful to see.
[02:49]	<Yono>	JoeBorn: do you plan on having this kind of thing for the recorder: www.interpocket.co.uk
[02:53]	<JoeBorn>	maybe we could use their's anyone speak german? www.kernelconcepts.de
[02:56]	<Yono>	I know that Karte means card :)
[02:57]	<Yono>	JoeBorn: I don't know if this is linux compatible like the first one: www.ratocsystems.com
[02:59]	<JoeBorn>	did you see the price? $139!!!
[03:00]	<Yono>	I never said it was cheap
[03:02]	<Yono>	when you have Cadenux port the USB host drivers, have them suggest a USB host adapter
[03:06]	<Yono>	JoeBorn: Jackpot: mailman.uclinux.org
[03:07]	<Yono>	I just thought I'd tell you that the company is japanese, so you have another language to learn ;)
[04:21]	<JoeBorn>	Bruno was not so hot on the cadenux stuff
[04:21]	<JoeBorn>	apparantly he's had some issues with it
[04:21]	<derobert>	Bruno?
[04:22]	<JoeBorn>	Bruno is my imaginary friend
[04:23]	<JoeBorn>	just kidding, a HW engineer
[04:23]	<derobert>	lol
[04:24]	<derobert>	the hardware engineers are so weird you hope they're imaginary
[04:24]	<JoeBorn>	he's suggesting we look for a public port or see if we can find a mfg who's already done this
[04:24]	<JoeBorn>	and we can request the download
[06:00]	<AmericanTechpush>	ok dvd source recordings are up on the forum..
[06:04]	<JoeBorn>	any special tricks to getting the avi audio to work?
[06:05]	<AmericanTechpush>	It turned out to be two differet problems
[06:05]	<AmericanTechpush>	One
[06:05]	<AmericanTechpush>	Was make sure the audio plug is all the way in.. doh!
[06:05]	<AmericanTechpush>	The second was only playback on my computer
[06:06]	<AmericanTechpush>	I had to download the codec to play ASF files
[06:06]	<AmericanTechpush>	simple enough
[06:07]	<AmericanTechpush>	I cant tell the difference between the two files
[06:08]	<AmericanTechpush>	Saw the ebay auction.. pictures Joe.. having a picture will greatly enhance your chances of your items being sold
[06:09]	<JoeBorn>	well, I'm not really trying to enhance the chances of the item being sold
[06:10]	<JoeBorn>	I'm just using ebay to manage the auction and see if this is somethign interesting for the folks on the forums
[06:10]	<JoeBorn>	we'll see, it's something of an experiment
[06:10]	<AmericanTechpush>	ok
[06:18]	<JoeBorn>	Does anyone actually know that fellow from cadenux?
[07:15]	<solomon>	what's all this about cadenux
[07:15]	<solomon>	what is that :)
[07:15]	* solomon  keeps scrolling up but is lost
[07:21]	<AmericanTechpush>	see loglibary
[07:22]	<solomon>	i am not clear on wtf a BSP is :)
[07:22]	<solomon>	and which hardware is being talked about
[08:43]	<pwarren>	did anyone manage to catch the firmware before it was pulled from odna?
[08:46]	<pwarren>	or does anyone know if the GarBage branch will be updated to 2.28 anytime soon
[08:59]	<Koron>	2.28 being the latest beta?
[08:59]	<Koron>	they never released beta firmware code
[08:59]	<Koron>	AFAIK, at least
[09:30]	<solomon>	nope
[09:31]	<solomon>	the garbage branch is based on the last official firmware that had a source release, iirc 2.26
[09:38]	<pwarren>	yeah, thought so.
[09:38]	<pwarren>	so development stalls :o(
[10:16]	<solomon>	pwarren: not really
[10:16]	<solomon>	pwarren: there's still activity on what we've got
[10:16]	<solomon>	pwarren: the only new things introduced are neutris and the file browser
[10:17]	<solomon>	pwarren: everything else we have the code for
[10:17]	<solomon>	pwarren: and joe says that when the dev team is started they will work on the same cvs tree as us
[10:17]	<solomon>	pwarren: can't beat that
[10:32]	<pwarren>	hmm, that would be awesome.
[10:32]	<pwarren>	gorra run, c you next time!
[10:48]	<erwan_taf>	re
[16:08]	<fernando>	hello, has anybody knows exactly what kind of problem is error 0x2810??
[16:09]	<fernando>	I've searched the forums but there is no explanation about it
[16:12]	<nerochiaro>	fernando: if you hold on for a minute or two i'll look it up
[16:13]	<fernando>	nerochiaro ty
[16:16]	<nerochiaro>	looks like something is wrong with your FAT. try running a scandisk or similar tool to verify you don't have errors on it
[16:17]	<fernando>	ok, thanks
[16:17]	<nerochiaro>	either that, or reformat using the built in function if nothign else works
[16:18]	<erwan_taf>	fernando: sometimes you need to format when you change your firmware
[16:18]	<nerochiaro>	in this case i was talking about hard disk format, nont NAND format
[16:19]	<fernando>	well, I got that error without doing anything to the firmware...
[16:20]	<fernando>	been trying to get my new neuros to work all weekend...
[16:20]	<fernando>	but since it's a FAT problem I guess that during a sync might have come the problem. let me check it with a format and I'll let you know
[16:21]	<nerochiaro>	fernando: yes, but use the 1+5+PLAY menu to format, not windows
[18:56]	<nerochiaro>	DeepB: you there ?
[19:01]	<DeepB>	evening, nero
[19:02]	<nerochiaro>	hi, i have compared the two source sets, you were right, they were identical
[19:03]	<DeepB>	they should, i've just spinned off a new 'nerochiaro' branch out of HEAD
[19:03]	<nerochiaro>	i'm now trying to understand what is funked up with my setup, because make still tells me that the newlines in the makefile are wrong
[19:04]	<nerochiaro>	you said that TICC has a version of make in it ?
[19:04]	<DeepB>	yes, of gnu make
[19:04]	<nerochiaro>	gmake.exe, correct ? in theory it should work ok, no ?
[19:04]	<DeepB>	and TI's make
[19:05]	<nerochiaro>	i don't see TI's
[19:05]	<DeepB>	yep, the gnu one should work
[19:05]	<DeepB>	cc/bin/timake.exe
[19:06]	<nerochiaro>	i see it, which one you suggest ?
[19:06]	<DeepB>	gnu
[19:07]	<nerochiaro>	this is no good. even gmake tells me the newlines are wrong
[19:08]	* nerochiaro  really wants to strangle the people who came up with two different set of newlines
[19:08]	<Koron>	you would think if it knew the newlines are wrong...it could deal with it :-p
[19:08]	<nerochiaro>	Koron: instead it doesn't, neither gmake nor cygwin's make
[19:09]	<Koron>	thankfully we're down to 2...I think OS X just uses \n now
[19:09]	<nerochiaro>	Koron: oh, sorry, didn't catch the joke :P
[19:12]	<nerochiaro>	mmh, it seems that even gmake wants unix newlines, because running d2u on the makefile makes it recognize it
[19:15]	<DeepB>	shit... really? i've just updated your Neuros200 folder contents to CR/LF
[19:15]	<nerochiaro>	yeah, that's what i found out just now
[19:16]	<DeepB>	quite bizarre
[19:16]	<nerochiaro>	i think that cygwin's make, with certain settings of cygwin's env vars, wants dos newlines
[19:16]	<DeepB>	mine are CR/LF locally, all around
[19:16]	<nerochiaro>	see above
[19:16]	<nerochiaro>	or you use gmake
[19:16]	<nerochiaro>	?
[19:16]	<DeepB>	cygwin's one
[19:17]	<nerochiaro>	you have probably set cygwin to dos newlines then
[19:17]	<DeepB>	and CYGWIN=ntsec tty
[19:17]	<DeepB>	as all related env stuff
[19:18]	<nerochiaro>	i have these too, plus adding/removing "binmode" to that env var seems to change things
[19:18]	<nerochiaro>	try it
[19:19]	<DeepB>	added binmode: make: Nothing to be done for `active_config'.
[19:19]	<DeepB>	same as before
[19:23]	<nerochiaro>	even weirder now. i reverted to cygwin's make, and now it does recognize both dos and unix newlines in the makefile without complaining
[19:23]	<nerochiaro>	WTF ?
[19:24]	<DeepB>	the cat, always blame the cat
[19:25]	<nerochiaro>	leave the cat alone, it already received his amount of rightful spanking for today, the bastard
[19:25]	<nerochiaro>	unless you meant the 'cat' command, of course
[19:27]	<DeepB>	brb, nicotine (from the silver screen)
[19:27]	<nerochiaro>	i think i will try a reboot, maybe all that logging in windows xp from terminal services from the office fucked up something in the env vars or whatever the fuck is behind this weirdness
[19:27]	<nerochiaro>	later
[19:47]	<nerochiaro>	did not work
[19:48]	<nerochiaro>	i'm completely baffled right now, as it used to compile ok some days ago
[19:48]	<nerochiaro>	i'll go have dinner, might spark some good ideas. plus i'm hungry like hell.
[20:52]	<nerochiaro>	DeepB: do you have one more minute ?
[20:52]	<nerochiaro>	this stuff is driving me insane
[21:59]	<Yono>	hey nerochiaro
[21:59]	<nerochiaro>	hi yono
[22:00]	<Yono>	Joe sent an email to the Nutt guy
[22:00]	<nerochiaro>	yeah ? and ?
[22:01]	<nerochiaro>	i mean, did he get a response of any kind yet ?
[22:01]	<Yono>	and he still can't log onto OdNA :-P
[22:01]	<Yono>	nope, no response yet
[22:01]	<nerochiaro>	speaking of odna, what's up with that request for help. seems a good idea, i see we are 5 volounteers already.
[22:02]	<nerochiaro>	i forgot a "?" :P
[22:04]	<nerochiaro>	Yono ?
[22:04]	<Yono>	hi
[22:04]	<Yono>	umm
[22:05]	<Yono>	dunno, if he can't log in himself, then not much
[22:05]	<nerochiaro>	how is that he can't login ? isn't that on NA's servers ?
[22:05]	<Yono>	he wanted help because derobert me and solomon convinced him it wasn't updated enough
[22:05]	<Yono>	seperate server
[22:06]	<nerochiaro>	yeah, i read the logs of the chat with him the other night
[22:07]	<Yono>	have you seen the forums lately?
[22:08]	<Yono>	I've really pumped up job with uclinux, he seems really into it now
[22:08]	<Yono>	*joe
[22:09]	<nerochiaro>	no, i kinda dislike the forums, so i don't spend much time on them
[22:09]	<Yono>	thats too bad, they have some great info hidden in them
[22:10]	<nerochiaro>	hidden is the right word...
[22:10]	<JoshMalone>	heheh
[22:11]	<nerochiaro>	and it's so damn time consuming to be actually following a web forum
[22:11]	<JoshMalone>	I've more/less abondoned forums, too
[22:11]	<JoshMalone>	(course, I don't catch-up on IRC logs either, nless I get wind of somethign very important)
[22:11]	<nerochiaro>	it's a pity. i used to read hydrogenaudio.org, for example. lots of interesting discussion in there, but too painful to follow
[22:12]	<Yono>	thats where u found out about the neuros, isn't it?
[22:12]	<nerochiaro>	JoshMalone: catching up with the logs is a breeze, it's 2 or 3 sequential pages at most to skim in the moring
[22:12]	<nerochiaro>	Yono: honestly i can't remember. but it's probable
[22:13]	<JoshMalone>	too busy....(I know - it's sad)
[22:13]	<Yono>	I know I read some posts of yours there when I was looking for mpc devs
[22:13]	<nerochiaro>	JoshMalone: i kinda understand you, and will be understanding you even more when i really start up with my new job
[22:13]	<JoshMalone>	heheh
[22:14]	<JoshMalone>	when do you start, btw?
[22:14]	<nerochiaro>	Yono: that was after I had already been wanting a neuros for some time
[22:15]	<Yono>	the recorder uses the DSC25 dsp right?
[22:15]	<nerochiaro>	JoshMalone: depends on what my current boss says in the following days. legally i need to give them 1.5 months of warning before leaving, but i'll probably negotiate that to some weeks
[22:16]	<nerochiaro>	JoshMalone: depending on how fast they can find a replacement for the place i leave vacant
[22:16]	<JoshMalone>	whoa! 5+ weeks? that's insane
[22:17]	<nerochiaro>	JoshMalone: yeah, one month and an half if you worked there for up to 5 years. more if you worked there longer.
[22:17]	<JoshMalone>	wow - that would never fly in the US
[22:18]	<nerochiaro>	a lot of things that are commonplace in the job marketplace in italy won't ever fly in the US. strong labor unions, for example
[22:18]	<JoshMalone>	hahah - yeah
[22:18]	<JoshMalone>	no kidding
[22:18]	<nerochiaro>	i know
[22:19]	<JoshMalone>	employers just laff their arses off at the thought of a IT union here
[22:21]	<nerochiaro>	well, IT unions really don't exist even in italy, but for some rather arcane twists i don't even really understand myself my job contract technically falls under the same union protection with metallurgic and mechanical industry. don't ask
[22:22]	<JoshMalone>	wierd :)
[22:23]	<nerochiaro>	indeed. but that's one of the strongest unions here, so i got all the benefits of years and years of strikes and fights basically for free.
[22:23]	<nerochiaro>	so i won't complain
[22:23]	<JoshMalone>	cool
[22:23]	<JoshMalone>	yeah - I'll take it, too :)
[22:32]	<ivel|Work>	JoshMalone: what's up?
[22:33]	<JoshMalone>	just winding down work day
[22:35]	<nerochiaro>	who was that started up the CRLF v/s LF newline fight back in the old days ? apple ?
[22:37]	<nerochiaro>	well, anyway, whoever it was, i want to go and strangle them all if any are still alive to this day
[22:38]	<Koron>	apple was just used CR
[22:38]	<Koron>	erm, apple just used CR
[22:38]	<nerochiaro>	so it was microsoft ?
[22:38]	<Koron>	microsoft is the one that decided to do both
[22:39]	<Koron>	and I think OS X just uses LF now since it is based on unix
[22:39]	<nerochiaro>	most probably
[23:42]	<fernando>	Dos2unix converts DOS or MAC text files to UNIX format <<-- might help with your frustration
[23:43]	<fernando>	or unix2dos for the other way...
[23:44]	<nerochiaro>	fernando: thanks, i knew about that and it's what i am using now to fix the files. the frustrating part was finding out what was wrong, since the files seemed DOS files at first, but then there was one or two stray UNIX newlines in the middle of a file that messed up everything. painful
[23:45]	<nerochiaro>	but i appreciate the help anyway :)
[23:45]	<fernando>	oh... yeah.. been though that too... :)
[23:45]	<fernando>	does the os firmware is only developed under win??
[23:46]	<nerochiaro>	well, the compiler runs only under win32, so it's the only choice (unless you go for complicated wine or bochs setups under *nix)
[23:47]	<fernando>	well, I've finally been using my neuros all day long... might like to get involved in helping out with the fw
[23:48]	<nerochiaro>	you're very welcome, if you have the patience to get past the initial setup and compiling troubles we all went through at first. did you read the HOWTO in the wiki that explains how to build the whole stuff ?
[23:49]	<fernando>	not yet
[23:49]	<fernando>	being playing a bit with the device itself to get familiar with it first
[23:49]	<nerochiaro>	it's this: neuros-firmware.sourceforge.net
[23:50]	<fernando>	thank you
[23:51]	<nerochiaro>	if you find problems and need help, ask here and someone will help you, most probably
[23:54]	<fernando>	ty, I will :)