[01:56]	<derobert>	Wow, woot FINALLY shipped my recorder on the 14th. Lazy bums....
[01:58]	<Yono>	lol
[02:00]	<derobert>	FedEx says it should be here Thursday...
[02:36]	<Koron>	woot can get masses of people to buy just about anything
[02:43]	<noiz77>	didnt they sell garbage on woot once?
[02:44]	<noiz77>	and people bought it
[02:46]	<noiz77>	yep, looks like they did
[02:46]	<noiz77>	forum.woot.com
[02:59]	<Yono>	they call it bag o crap
[02:59]	<Yono>	I get them, they're cool, they sell off old merch and junk
[02:59]	<Yono>	sometimes they throw in a tivo
[03:01]	<noiz77>	how much were they selling them for?
[03:02]	<Yono>	$3
[03:04]	<noiz77>	hmmm, maybe i will buy a bag of crap next time it comes up...
[03:06]	<noiz77>	Yono: what are your initial impressions of the recorder? have you used it much?
[03:13]	<Yono>	noiz77: not really, but I have been quite busy and just got a new pda
[03:13]	<Yono>	and I don't like the UI, which is driving joe insane
[03:14]	<Yono>	but it has a ton of features for pictures
[03:14]	<derobert>	Yono: how bad is the UI?
[03:14]	<noiz77>	thats good, im mostly just going to use it for viewing pics
[03:15]	<Yono>	derobert: not bad, but ugly
[03:15]	<Yono>	and the remote isn't very forgiving if you don't point it right at the IR
[03:16]	<derobert>	Yono: hmmm.... got any pictures of the UI?
[03:17]	<Yono>	derobert: if I can't take good pics of solid objects, how do you think my pics of TV screens will turn out? :-P
[03:18]	<derobert>	Yono: Good source material for gimp :-D
[03:18]	<Yono>	lol
[03:18]	<noiz77>	yeah, im pretty sure that i had asked americantechpushers to take some pics of the ui, so hopefully he will soon
[05:17]	<nollidj>	anyone who is involved on work with the firmware around?
[05:18]	<Starkey>	What's your question?
[05:18]	<nollidj>	anyone accepting input on how to make the music browsing not suck?
[05:18]	<[Chameleon]>	got my MPEG-4 recorder today
[05:19]	<nollidj>	i am just curious what plans are in place for implementing better, more flexible menus and the like
[05:19]	<[Chameleon]>	just made a recording and am going to check it out on the PC
[05:19]	<Starkey>	Cool beans [Chameleon]
[05:19]	<[Chameleon]>	Starkey: did you get yours already?
[05:19]	<Starkey>	nollidj, I don't think anything is currently being done for the menu
[05:19]	<[Chameleon]>	Starkey: or did you turn it down?
[05:19]	<Starkey>	I got mine last week
[05:19]	<[Chameleon]>	kewl
[05:19]	<nollidj>	Starkey: what is on the docket, then?
[05:20]	<Starkey>	Actually, I don't know of any work being done by anyone except for me. :)
[05:20]	<nollidj>	ahah! what are you working on, then?
[05:20]	<nollidj>	if i get time, i will do the best i can to fix the menu system, as its present state is pretty sorry
[05:21]	<nollidj>	i'd like to redesign most of it, probably... give the neuros database more than a paltry four fields to work with
[05:21]	<[Chameleon]>	colors are kind of washed out.
[05:21]	<[Chameleon]>	bbl
[05:21]	* [Chameleon]  is away: Food
[05:23]	<Starkey>	nollid, I recommend you write up your ideas in the wiki and then we can continue from there.
[05:23]	<Starkey>	What I'm working on is top secret. :)
[05:27]	<nollidj>	i will
[06:40]	<solomon>	Starkey: started on flac yet? :P
[06:45]	<[Chameleon]>	solomon: Shhh!! Top Secret!
[06:52]	<solomon>	hehe
[06:52]	<solomon>	anybody tried the shures?
[06:55]	<[Chameleon]>	I did
[06:55]	<[Chameleon]>	the E2cs
[06:57]	<solomon>	[Chameleon]: how much trouble are they to get in and out?
[06:57]	<[Chameleon]>	not much at all
[06:57]	<[Chameleon]>	I hated 'em though.
[06:57]	<solomon>	[Chameleon]: really? why? bad sound?
[06:57]	<[Chameleon]>	Yeah. tinny, no bass
[06:57]	<solomon>	ew
[06:58]	<solomon>	gotta have bass
[06:58]	<[Chameleon]>	I sent them back in exchange for two Neuros-branded ear phones (the same that came with the player) because my original was breaking, probably from going through the laundry. They still worked tho, even sounded a helluva lot better to me.
[06:58]	<solomon>	[Chameleon]: do you know if they would have let you refund them?
[06:58]	<[Chameleon]>	Support sent me three sets of Neuros-branded ear phones in exchange.
[06:58]	<[Chameleon]>	yeah, but I wanted an exchange
[06:58]	<solomon>	[Chameleon]: that's kinda cool
[06:58]	<[Chameleon]>	it's way cool
[06:58]	<solomon>	hrmm
[06:58]	<solomon>	dangit
[06:59]	<[Chameleon]>	but the E2cs aren't cool
[06:59]	<[Chameleon]>	I mean, the sound isolation worked pretty well
[06:59]	<solomon>	i ownder if the 3c's are better
[06:59]	<solomon>	wonder
[06:59]	<[Chameleon]>	but it was a moot point since the sound was crap
[06:59]	<[Chameleon]>	possibly
[06:59]	<solomon>	i know that the ety's are supposed to have great bass
[06:59]	<[Chameleon]>	but that's just way too much money to spend
[06:59]	<solomon>	but i hear they are a huge pain to get in and out
[06:59]	<solomon>	and they are even more expensive
[06:59]	<[Chameleon]>	I'm very happy with my Neuros ear phones
[07:00]	<solomon>	compared to the ksc35 they are crap :)
[07:00]	<solomon>	so if the e2c's have even worse bass than the neuros's, then they are pretty bad compared to what i have now
[07:00]	<solomon>	i was hoping for better :)
[07:01]	<solomon>	the neuros headphones are pretty good for earbuds though
[07:01]	<solomon>	i wonder who they get them from
[07:02]	<[Chameleon]>	yeah, they are good
[07:05]	* [Chameleon]  is away: I'm busy
[07:17]	<derobert>	solomon: I've use the ER-6, which certainly have bass... At least once you get them inserted right.
[07:18]	<solomon>	derobert: how long would you say it takes to put them in and take them out?
[07:18]	<derobert>	solomon: I can get mine in in about 30s, taking them out is harder...
[07:19]	<derobert>	well, in the left ear only for some reason.
[07:19]	<solomon>	derobert: dang. unacceptable.
[07:20]	<derobert>	solomon: if you can leave them in for hours at a time, they're great; if you had to put them in / take them out routinely, it'd suck
[07:20]	<solomon>	derobert: i work data entry all night and we have a break structure made up for resting our hands where we take a 5 minute break after an hour, 10 minute break after another hour, etc.
[07:20]	<solomon>	derobert: and aside from that i randomly talk to people while working
[07:20]	<derobert>	solomon: yeah, you don'
[07:20]	<derobert>	't want the ER-6's then
[07:20]	<solomon>	derobert: i need to become a fw hacker so that i can give the neuros hearing aid functionality
[07:21]	<derobert>	for one thing, you can't talk to people with them in.
[07:21]	<solomon>	derobert: imagine not having to take the er-6 out to talk to people.. and being able to hear them better than you would with them out ;)
[07:21]	<derobert>	solomon: well, I doubt the better would work... personally, I still have my hearing :-)
[07:21]	<solomon>	idunno, you could probably turn the gain up on the mic pretty high :)
[07:22]	<solomon>	or get an external mic :)
[07:22]	<derobert>	solomon: well, that wouldn't help, that'd just make things loud... tap the mic by mistake, ears start bleeding :-D
[07:22]	<solomon>	lol
[07:22]	<solomon>	ouch
[07:22]	<solomon>	hehe
[07:23]	<solomon>	yeah, i think i'm going to have to give up on the canalphone thing
[07:23]	<derobert>	it might be useful to be able to put the mic into a "monitor" mode of some sort... but generally, when I am using my ER-6's I'm not going to talk to anyone for hours. Except for IM and IRC, but those don't count.
[07:23]	<solomon>	my ksc35/ksc75 hybrid makes me fairly happy now
[07:24]	<solomon>	but i do wish they had a mute button to turn off the rest o the world ;P
[07:24]	<derobert>	solomon: I've tried a bunch of noise-cancelling headphones; none of them come close to the ER-6's.
[07:24]	<solomon>	derobert: yeah i am not a believer when it comes to noise cancelling
[07:25]	<derobert>	solomon: they seem to help a little, on some frequencies... but not much.
[07:26]	<derobert>	solomon: I tried a bunch... only notable one I didn't is the Bose ones, because I'm not about to pay $200 for a danged logo :-)
[07:27]	<solomon>	hehe
[07:29]	<derobert>	I'm amazed at how good the etymotics sound, though. Especially because if you listen to one w/o having it inserted, it makes your average PC speaker sound good....
[07:31]	<derobert>	I suspect they are actually some form of magic.
[07:34]	<solomon>	haha
[18:59]	<DeepB>	blog.kordix.com
[18:59]	<DeepB>	legally(?) circumvent napster DRM crap
[19:11]	<JoshMalone>	hmmm...seems interesting
[19:11]	<Koron>	heh, anyone remember mp3.com's beam-it service years ago?
[19:12]	<Koron>	they got sued and had to shut it down
[19:12]	<JoshMalone>	yeah - that was pretty cool
[19:12]	<Koron>	yeah, you could download any song permanently pretty easily
[19:12]	<JoshMalone>	well - the shutting down wasn't, but...
[19:12]	<Koron>	it wasn't really shoutcast
[19:12]	<Koron>	if you just tried to download a file it wouldn't let you
[19:12]	<Koron>	but if you identified yourself as, say, winamp
[19:12]	<Koron>	it would happily let you download the entire file, id3 tag and all
[19:13]	<JoshMalone>	well - today I just use streamripper :)
[19:13]	<Koron>	well, this was a 1-to-1 copy of the file
[19:13]	<Koron>	but...yeah
[19:13]	<Koron>	cool service, but not really a hint of any real DRM
[19:13]	<Koron>	not that that is bad
[19:14]	<JoshMalone>	streamripper actually saves the x-mitted mp3 data - not transcoded
[19:15]	<Koron>	the shoutcast stations that run an equalizer on their output really bugs me
[19:15]	<Koron>	some of it just sounds terrible
[19:15]	<Koron>	it's like...commercial radio
[19:15]	<DeepB>	DRM is evil, is like "Hey, buy this vinyl, but you'll only be able to listen to it on this player (which i happen to sell, also), and only on mondays".. would you buy that kind of crap?
[19:16]	<Koron>	perhaps if they had a buy one day-get one free deal
[19:16]	<JoshMalone>	Koron: and compression - too
[19:17]	<Koron>	it is pretty stupid that you can't swap a damaged disc for a new one
[19:17]	<Koron>	and at the same time they say you can't make a copy
[19:17]	<Koron>	they want to have their cake and eat it too
[19:17]	<JoshMalone>	I agree - they can't have it both ways
[19:17]	<JoshMalone>	hopefully there will be a legal precident set re: that, soon
[19:18]	<JoshMalone>	which are we buying? a license or a physical item
[19:18]	<Koron>	valve software with their steam system is just as bad
[19:18]	<Koron>	they tell you it is illegal to transfer a steam account
[19:19]	<JoshMalone>	that's why I won't be buying HL2
[19:19]	<JoshMalone>	(even though HL was one of my all-time fav rames)
[19:19]	<Koron>	I don't agree with it, but I do see the benefits of steam beyond DRM
[19:19]	<JoshMalone>	(which I still play from time to time)
[19:19]	<Koron>	and...
[19:19]	<Koron>	I bought half-life 2
[19:19]	<Koron>	but I don't really play it much...so I told my little brother my login info
[19:20]	<Koron>	so he was able to download the entire game a couple of hours away
[19:20]	<Koron>	it is a neat system...just sucks that they are such hard asses about transferring accounts
[19:22]	* DeepB  coughs *SiX* coughs *Steam*
[19:22]	<DeepB>	steam is awful
[19:23]	<DeepB>	sluggish
[19:23]	<DeepB>	and won't work on non networked machines
[19:25]	<DeepB>	i mean, why the hell valve has to know whenever i wanted to start a 1p game?
[19:25]	<JoshMalone>	DeepB: exactly
[19:25]	<JoshMalone>	I want to be able to install on any machine I want, maybe 4 yrs from now
[19:26]	<DeepB>	plus, you'll gotta wait for updates, and redownload a whole bunch of stuff
[19:26]	<DeepB>	damn it, i want to play now, not in 250 minutes (ETA)
[19:26]	<DeepB>	that's stupid
[19:28]	<DeepB>	anyway, don't panic:
[19:28]	<DeepB>	movies.apple.com
[19:28]	<DeepB>	;)
[19:38]	<Koron>	off line mode works fine
[19:39]	<Koron>	if you were logged in at one point in time and didn't log out
[19:39]	<Koron>	but yeah...stinks if you weren't
[19:41]	<Koron>	images.amazon.com
[19:48]	<DeepB>	omg... Trisha?
[19:48]	<JoshMalone>	lol
[19:51]	<DeepB>	and where are the missing parts of Zaphod?
[19:52]	<DeepB>	Ford played by Mos Def?
[19:52]	<DeepB>	wtf? so much incoherences in there...
[19:53]	<JoshMalone>	zaphod's 3rd arm is shown in 1 part
[19:54]	<JoshMalone>	and his other head is in his nose, apparently, for the movie
[19:56]	<Koron>	it's not supposed to be exactly the same as the book
[19:56]	<Koron>	the radio version is significantly different from the book
[19:57]	<JoshMalone>	I love the radio version
[20:01]	<DeepB>	i have the complete BBC TV series (~1.4Gb), if anyone cares about them, drop me a priv
[20:06]	<ivel|Work>	hrm
[22:22]	<solomon>	joe just sent me a login for OdNA
[22:22]	<solomon>	i wonder if there's anything to post now
[22:24]	<Yono>	I'm posting now
[22:32]	<Yono>	solomon: done
[22:33]	<Yono>	any comments?
[22:41]	<Yon1>	hey kronin
[22:41]	<kronin>	what's up?
[22:42]	<Yon1>	OdNA updates
[22:42]	<kronin>	finally got around to lurking on IRC
[22:42]	<kronin>	yeah, I'm checking them out right now.
[22:42]	<Yon1>	irc.sorune.com dude :)
[22:42]	<Yon1>	pretty good for an applet
[22:42]	<JoshMalone>	wow, that color scheme on OdNA is truely terrible
[22:42]	<JoshMalone>	can't read the text when you post a comment
[22:43]	<kronin>	ouch, black on dark-grey.
[22:43]	<Yon1>	yeah, but I don't have control over that
[22:43]	<Yon1>	I don't think....
[22:44]	<Yon1>	nope, sorry
[22:46]	<Yon1>	ghost Wilmer password
[22:46]	<Yon1>	I knew it
[22:46]	<Yon1>	!info wilmer
[22:46]	<Yon1>	wow, freenode doesn't do much
[22:47]	* Yon1  ghost Yono
[22:49]	<Yon1>	yay!
[22:50]	<solomon>	Yono: might want to make the text of those links into links ;)
[22:50]	<Yono>	I would, but I don't know if its [url] or not
[22:51]	<solomon>	heh
[22:51]	<solomon>	e
[22:51]	<solomon>	you could give it a try and preview
[22:51]	<kronin>	can't you edit the posts?
[22:51]	* solomon  notes that comment text is black on a nearly black background
[22:51]	<Yono>	ok
[22:51]	<JoshMalone>	right
[22:51]	* solomon  resents the nearly black background on OdNA anyway
[22:51]	<Yono>	kronin, I think so
[22:57]	<Yono>	ok, [url] isn't working
[22:57]	<Yono>	any other suggestions?
[22:58]	<Yono>	btw, their manual and cp are really bad
[22:58]	<kronin>	how about a normal <a href>?
[23:00]	<Yono>	that worked, thanks
[23:00]	<kronin>	no problem, I still don't see it linkified, though.
[23:01]	<Yono>	now?
[23:01]	<kronin>	yep, got it now.
[23:01]	<Yono>	it takes a little while to load
[23:02]	<solomon>	hehe
[23:02]	<solomon>	i think maybe i will post the news that i find interesting now
[23:03]	<solomon>	some of it is found in the irc summaries but this is supposed to be informal, right?
[23:04]	<solomon>	i woner if i should make it into an extended entry
[23:04]	<solomon>	nah
[23:05]	<DeepB>	blogitty-blogitty-blog
[23:11]	<Yono>	DeepB: do you have the link to that page in the forum where you mentioned that Dr. that knew about embedded development?
[23:11]	<Yono>	I tried looking for it, but couldn't find it
[23:12]	<DeepB>	i don't, search for toolchain, or check the IRC logs
[23:13]	<Yono>	ok, only one topic
[23:13]	<Yono>	damn, why'd it have to be the 7 page one?
[23:16]	<Yono>	found it www.elec.canterbury.ac.nz
[23:28]	<solomon>	is n-f.sf.net down?
[23:31]	<solomon>	posted
[23:31]	<solomon>	comments/edits?
[23:34]	<Yon1>	DeepB: you still here?
[23:34]	<kronin>	solomon: did you mean to have the mailing address list in that last paragraph?
[23:37]	<solomon>	oops
[23:37]	<solomon>	i meant to have the mailing list subscription page
[23:37]	<solomon>	lesse where i typo'd
[23:38]	<Yono>	solomon: spellcheck.net
[23:39]	<Yono>	solomon: did you mean imminent?
[23:39]	<solomon>	hehe
[23:40]	<solomon>	spellcheck.net looks cool but i just tried using it and it's a pain :)
[23:40]	<solomon>	i meant imminent :)
[23:40]	<solomon>	any other spellchecks for me?
[23:40]	<Yono>	;)
[23:40]	<Yono>	you really don't like spellcheck.net?
[23:40]	<Yono>	insert the whole article in and it points out possible spelling errors
[23:40]	<solomon>	well it made all these boxes and most of them were words like FLAC
[23:41]	<Yono>	you can ignore those ones
[23:41]	<solomon>	it would be nice if i could have some kind of prev/next thing and do ignore all and stuff
[23:41]	<Yono>	well all the errors are boxed
[23:41]	<Yono>	so just look for the ones that you aren't sure of
[23:42]	<kronin>	Additinally -> Additionally
[23:43]	<Yono>	lol
[23:43]	<DeepB>	Yono: yep, still there, but watching House of flying daggers
[23:43]	<DeepB>	*here
[23:47]	<solomon>	ok, corrected version is up now
[23:47]	<solomon>	thanks Yono
[23:47]	<Yono>	np
[23:48]	<kronin>	solomon: in "Development roadmap" paragraph, Additinally -> Additionally
[23:48]	<Yono>	Kronin: ur probably the best at english here
[23:48]	<solomon>	hehe
[23:48]	<Yono>	In: Joe Born, president of Neuros Audio, has been caught rubbing elbows with the developers of Musepack or MPC, a lossy audio format that aims for transparency at high bitrates.
[23:49]	<Yono>	should it be: Musepack, or MPC,
[23:49]	<Yono>	?
[23:49]	<solomon>	maybe i'll paren it
[23:49]	<solomon>	nah, i'll comma it
[23:49]	<Yono>	ok
[23:50]	<noiz77>	or maybe Musepack/MPC ?
[23:50]	<solomon>	tis good enough :)
[23:50]	<solomon>	anybody know further info on MPC?
[23:50]	<solomon>	or anything else for that matter :)
[23:51]	<Yono>	umm...
[23:52]	<noiz77>	we could make up the kind of news that would be in a tabliod, like "Neuros planning on creating its own make of BMW with a Neuros built into the dashboard!"
[23:53]	<noiz77>	:)
[23:53]	<Yono>	lol
[23:54]	<solomon>	save that for april 1
[23:54]	<noiz77>	Joe is secretly listening in to the conversation and is now wondering how i got news of there latest endeavor...
[23:54]	<noiz77>	*their
[23:55]	<solomon>	tell them that neuros is going for closed-source and a .net platform supporting DRM WMA only and starkey, DeepB, etc. have all signed NDA's
[23:55]	<kronin>	or even better: "Neuros is designing a new digital music player that users will have implanted behind their ears"
[23:56]	<noiz77>	solomon: and that users have to pay $15 a month to keep the unit working ;)
[23:56]	<solomon>	hehe
[23:58]	<solomon>	i could add some bold