Log from #neuros IRC channel

yeah, and those links are to custom builds

if i link to the xp build of xchat, what about w95 users

i think i may just leave it like it is

unless somebody can give me a url to a free win32 build of xchat that will work with any windows ver

[00:15]

i think this one works for all windows versions www.psyon.org

[00:15]

you could link to searchirc.com. They have a java irc applet on their site. you could even link to searchirc.com

[00:15]

then all they do is have to click a link.

[00:16]

anyone of this channel use windows 98?

[00:16]

or 95?

[00:16]

I have a windows98 testing environment.

[00:17]

try this build and see if it works for it www.psyon.org

[00:17]

k, give me a minute...

[00:20]

<Kronin_>

works on win98

[00:21]

noiz77: that build works fine on win98

[00:22]

solomon: you should definately link to that site then, cuz xchat is a lot better than mirc and doesnt run out after 30 days

[00:22]

at least not this version

[00:23]

what about 95?

[00:23]

i don't think mirc runs out

[00:23]

does it?

[00:25]

it says it does on the main page after 30 days

[00:25]

then you have to register it

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mIRC can be downloaded freely and evaluated for 30 days. If you find that you like mIRC, and wish to continue using it after the evaluation period, you are required to register it. Your registration will license you to use current and future versions of mIRC.

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it turns into nagware

[00:31]

ah yeah that's right

[00:31]

nagware is still free

[00:31]

test xchat with win95 and i'll change it :P

anyone on here got 95?

*windows 95

i have a copy i'll sell you for $10 ;)

it's not installed on this box though

hehe

[00:35]

see, no one in here has 95, and most people have upgraded their os by now, that it shouldnt be a problem if you change the link ;)

[00:36]

<DeepB>

hey, my freezer runs win95

[00:36]

<DeepB>

no wonder why it's frozen all the time

[00:37]

lcuky, mine runs win3.1 :(

[00:37]

*lucky

[00:37]

<Yono>

I have a 98 CD around here somewhere

[00:40]

crazy, someone from Slovakia visited sorune.com today...

[00:41]

<DeepB>

heard the news? Europe does internet too ;)

[00:42]

yeah, but its not like many Slovakians own a neuros and would visit sorune.com

[00:45]

Yono: somebody tested it with 98. i am just wary since nobody has tested with 95 :)

[00:46]

<DeepB>

95 didn't have proper USB support anyway

[00:46]

practically no one uses 95 any more, and if they did, then they should just install linux and everyone would be happy :)

[02:15]

<Yon1>

hey guys

[02:21]

hello

[02:22]

<Yon1>

anyone willing to code an RSS feed onto OdNA?

[02:23]

noiz might, he did it for sorune.com

[02:24]

<Yono>

actually, apparently it was a plugin

[02:25]

web administration has gone the way of winamp?? ugh. :(

[02:26]

so what tools are available on 0dNA?

[02:27]

or OdNA... what does that stand for anyway?

[02:32]

open.neurosaudio.com

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is what it stands for

[02:32]

<DeepB>

Yono: Movable Type has built-in RSS support

[02:33]

<Yono>

oh really?

[02:34]

<Yono>

u mean the XML sydicate thing or something else?

[02:34]

<DeepB>

that's it

[02:35]

<Yono>

yes, but XML still isn't recognized by many RSS readers, I don't think..

<DeepB>

wwwhat?

<Yono>

heh, nvm about that

<DeepB>

www.bloglines.com

RSS is an XML-based syntax for facilitating the exchange of resources in a lightweight fashion through the syndication of links to content.

<Yono>

I already added it

hey Joe

hi Guys

<Yono>

hey Joe

<Yono>

here to tell solomon what an awesome job he did? ;)

absolutely!

[02:38]

<Yono>

so, what brings you here?

[02:39]

you guys crack me up

[02:39]

"Not everyone wants to spend all their time sitting around an IRC chatroom waiting for someone like Joe to come on by"

[02:39]

you'd really think I was a big shot.

[02:40]

<Yono>

:)

[02:41]

my most valuable vehicle is my bicycle for pete's sake!

[02:42]

anyway, I'm here to figure out the RSS feeds

[02:43]

<Yono>

its at open.neurosaudio.com/index.rdf

[02:43]

it was already there :)

so it is working?

<Yono>

yep, I'm just used to seeing an RSS button

<Yono>

oh well, what can I say, I'm spoiled

yep, it works

[02:45]

well, that was easy!

[02:52]

<Yono>

yes it was

[02:52]

<Yono>

so anything else you had to tell us Joe?

[03:15]

<Yono>

ok, night all

welcome back Joe

<[Chameleon]>

why is Joe connected twice?

who knows

<[Chameleon]>

ah, that's why

[03:19]

<[Chameleon]>

JoeBorn19: next time use NickServ to kill your stale connection.

[03:19]

<[Chameleon]>

:)

[03:19]

I'm trying to figure that out

nite all

and not having all that much luck.

<[Chameleon]>

JoeBorn19: you first need to register your nickname (a good idea anyway so that ppl can't impersonate you)

<[Chameleon]>

first do this: /nick JoeBorn

<[Chameleon]>

then /msg NickServ Register <pick a password>

JoeBorn: if you register your nick (and i think you are using irc.sorune.com), at the main page you can click advanced settings to enter your username and password

<[Chameleon]>

noiz77: cool

<[Chameleon]>

noiz77: it'll automagically identify?

and choose what channels and server you join, but thats a bit too advanced

yeah

it should

<[Chameleon]>

noiz77: groovy

irc.sorune.com

[03:24]

<[Chameleon]>

JoeBorn: now that you've registered your name, when you have a disconnect like you just experienced, reconnect with any name, then issue a "/msg nickserv ghost JoeBorn <password>" to kill the stale one, then change your nickname back via "/nick JoeBorn" and identify with your password using "/msg nickserv identify <password>"

here he is again

ok

thanks very much

<DeepB>

JoeBorn: so you finally exchanged impressions with Nutt?

[03:27]

yes

[03:27]

<DeepB>

JoeBorn: may i ask you a few questions about it?

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of course, I'm planning on posting most of the email exchange

[03:29]

<DeepB>

JoeBorn: where those guys willing to release publicly something they kept as a commercial secret (and them very reason of existance) so thight?

[03:29]

<DeepB>

JoeBorn: i mean, the Cadenux guys

[03:30]

<[Chameleon]>

JoeBorn: np.

[03:31]

well, I think they are really service providers. They charge for consulting.

[03:31]

JoeBorn: got my recorder today...

[03:31]

unlike woot, FedEx isn't lazy

[03:32]

Quick question, what does 'Video size error' mean? It's 320x240

[03:32]

I don't know. Let me find out.

[03:35]

<DeepB>

JoeBorn: so, let's say NA pays for the 'consulting' job, and they build up a nice ARM7, C5x, or whatever toolchain, for cross compiling and debugging from i386 hosts

[03:36]

<DeepB>

JoeBorn: would that toolchain (and whatever tools involved) ever reach the public as open source?

[03:36]

<[Chameleon]>

it better... that's the whole point

[03:36]

yes, we've made it clear that's the whole point.

<[Chameleon]>

of course, JoeBorn realizes that.

<[Chameleon]>

yeah

he is clearly ok with it. Some of the stuff will have to be rewritten as as result

but once we've paid for rewriting it, it will be open.

<[Chameleon]>

cool

<[Chameleon]>

gotta go

<[Chameleon]>

ttyl

* [Chameleon] is away: Food, Church

<DeepB>

JoeBorn: i see, let me thank you for that, son

<DeepB>

JoeBorn: i feel much better now

[03:39]

good. I'll try to post parts ofthe conversation shortly.

[03:39]

not tonight though.

[03:43]

JoeBorn: any luck with the video size error?

[03:45]

no, I'm not sure I'll get an answer tonight, no one is still here but me.

[03:46]

are you having that error with all your files?

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did you convert them with ulead?

JoeBorn: I'm trying encode an AVI file to play on the recorder...

JoeBorn: using mencoder

have you tried lowering the bitrate?

JoeBorn: I've tried 400kbit video w/ 128kbit MP3 audio...

JoeBorn: should I try lower?

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yes, try lower. let me see something.

[03:49]

ok, I've got a 433kbit video with 64kbit audio to try now

[03:49]

and at 160x120

[03:51]

I used the divx pro 5.03 codec 320x240 with 128 44.1 mono audio and that worked

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"interleaved" on the audio

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CBR audio

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<DeepB>

despite mencoder being an awesome transcoding tool, sometimes it just plays funny things on converted files (i.e non working)

[03:54]

DeepB: could be...

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DeepB: though mplayer, vlc, and quicktime all like the output fine

[03:56]

<DeepB>

then the mess should lay on the other way around, maybe a firmware too 'green'

[03:59]

Hmmm.... when I get rid of the audio, I get 'video codec error'

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that's not good.

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i love it when JoeBorn quits when he is using irc.sorune.com :)

[04:32]

welcome back, JoeBorn

[04:33]

thanks. what version of divx are you using?

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3.0 is not supported by the recorder.

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4.0 and later are needed.

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JoeBorn: should be standard MPEG-4, i.e., 4/5

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can you send a file or clip?

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JoeBorn: sure

[04:38]

JoeBorn: trying to dcc the latest attempt to you

[04:42]

I'm getting it. I'm using irc.sorune.com so I may have to switch to a different client

[04:43]

ah, yeah, xchat should wokr

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ok, hold on

[04:51]

hey Joe

[04:51]

JoeBorn: that one is at 160x120, just to make sure.... still didn't work for me :-(

JoeBorn: you should switch to firefox instead of using internet explorer ;)

well, it's not the resolution that's the problem I don't

I know.

JoeBorn: yeah, wonder what it is though.....

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do you have a file that's 320x240 as well?

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derobert: how do i tell what the resolution of a video file is under linux?

[04:58]

JoeBorn: sure

[04:59]

noiz77: I just start up mplayer and read the messages

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k

[05:00]

JoeBorn: ok, that is a 320x240 one

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* [Chameleon] is back (gone 01:34:17)

[05:13]

JoeBorn: well, hopefully one your people can tell you why those files don't work....

[05:16]

<[Chameleon]>

I got some files that don't work, too

[05:16]

<[Chameleon]>

one I can share with you, one I can't (cuz my wife would kill me).

[05:16]

<[Chameleon]>

;)

[05:18]

has anyone tried DrDivx?

[05:18]

I have some instructions for that.

[05:19]

<[Chameleon]>

guest

[05:20]

can you send that to me here?

[05:21]

<[Chameleon]>

moi?

[05:23]

JoeBorn: when I use vlc to change the AVI to an ASF, it plays

[05:24]

derobert: well, I guess that's something :\

<[Chameleon]>

JoeBorn: were you talking to me when you asked for something to be sent to you?

chameleon: yes, but it failed for some reason.

<[Chameleon]>

JoeBorn: you need to accept it

I tried :

<[Chameleon]>

k

I'll try again

<[Chameleon]>

well, could you just click the link?

<Webby>

another obseravtion on the mpeg4... I can't get into forums at the moment, but was reading about unit not playing divix or something like that. I notice that IF you use USB and change just the name of file on CF, it will no longer play in player. not the extension, but just the file name will cause it not to play.

no, I got a syntax error with the link, sorry

<[Chameleon]>

Hmm...

<[Chameleon]>

chameleon.homelinux.net

<[Chameleon]>

try that

<[Chameleon]>

and just input guest for user/pass

<[Chameleon]>

don't all of you hit that now either

<[Chameleon]>

:)

[05:29]

cham: That's working fine

[05:29]

<[Chameleon]>

k

[05:29]

<[Chameleon]>

JoeBorn: are you using Internet Exploder or something?

[05:30]

what? never heard of it! Who?

[05:31]

<[Chameleon]>

:)

[05:31]

<[Chameleon]>

FireFox rox

[05:35]

JoeBorn: hmmm, when I change it to ASF I get two problems: The video is not full-screen and there is no audio.

[05:37]

and the audio played on the PC before you converted it?

[05:37]

sometimes audio is lost if the converting machine does not have the necessary codec installed to play the original file

[05:39]

anyone know what's up with na.com?

[05:40]

sweet

[05:41]

<[Chameleon]>

!sweet

[05:41]

<[Chameleon]>

web server crashed or something?

[05:41]

yeah, just noticed it after getting home...

[05:42]

can't ping the server, either.

[05:42]

<Seed>

Hi all

[05:42]

<Seed>

JoeBorn: I sent you a private message :)

[05:46]

<Webby>

A quote from a user over on Woot....I bought a Kingmax Platinum 1 Gb SD card from Newegg, got it on Monday, at long last the Neuros shows up today only it thinks my SD card is write protected. The card is read/write in other environments (PDA, Card Reader). My disappointment cannot be measured right now.

[05:46]

<Webby>

has anyone else seen a problem like this?

[05:47]

JoeBorn: audio is fine on my machine... just doesn't play on the recorder...

[05:47]

JoeBorn: and somehow, the recorder is playing the ASF very small (e.g., covers about 1/4 of the screen)

[05:48]

night all

[05:48]

hey guys, its been awhile since I've payed attention in here, but hows the FLAC and MPC support comming?

[05:48]

<Webby>

That "may" be the reselution settins that you can change in menu of recorder/player

[05:49]

Webby: this is a video file I downloaded an am trying to get to play on the recorder

Webby: since when does the neuros have a SD slot?

na.com is back up.

<Webby>

the neuros mpeg4 recorder/player has CF and SD slot

ahh!

I gotcha

ok, well anyways, night all

<Webby>

new toy and we all finding the bugs in it

lol

<Webby>

hope to make it better

[05:54]

<Webby>

derobert, yeah I just looked, the option to change reslution is not there in "player" mode. Only in record mode. Not sure how you can fix that problem about only 1/4 screen

[05:55]

Webby: I suspect there is something it isn't liking about the file....

[05:55]

AFAICT, it will play _anything_ as long as it looks like ASF.

[05:57]

<Webby>

I've not tried to put any video files on a card and play yet. But I do know if you record with it and then use computer to change the file name it will no longer play in the recorder. leave extension .asf and just change the name and it no longer plays for me.

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hmmm, wonder why. that's weird

[05:58]

<unknown_lamer>

48. The best book on programming for the layman is "Alice in Wonderland"; but that's because it's the best book on anything for the layman.

[05:58]

<Webby>

I don't know. At first I thougt maybe I messed with extension, so I went back a recorded a few more minutes of something and tried again with same results

[05:58]

* unknown_lamer would get a Neuros MPEG4 if he had money ...

[05:59]

<unknown_lamer>

Which I sort of do since I got a check for $400 for the web app I just wrote instead of the $250 I was contracted for.

[05:59]

<unknown_lamer>

So it's like $150 of free money ...

[06:00]

<Webby>

Do that everyday and you'll soon be in GOOD shape :)

[06:00]

<unknown_lamer>

Oh, there is a maitenence contract that goes along with the code too.

[06:02]

<unknown_lamer>

Maybe one day, if I ever get a TV again.

[06:03]

* unknown_lamer really wants an NIII

[06:05]

<Webby>

bye bye, ya'll have fun

[06:10]

ok everyone, I'm going home. ttyl.

[06:10]

'night Joe

[06:15]

<[Chameleon]>

l8r Joe

[06:16]

l8r guys, let me know if na.com goes down again

[07:58]

<erwan>

hi

[19:44]

I think the firmware can't handle >80GB filesystems

[19:44]

<NC-17>

bummer

[19:44]

you have too much music :)

<NC-17>

hehe

<NC-17>

never too much :)

I"m still only 80% full on my 20 gigger

<NC-17>

i can fill my 20gb over 3x

like I said :)

<NC-17>

i want it all on one disk :)

<NC-17>

haha yeah

<DeepB>

JoshMalone: you suck

<DeepB>

so hard

<DeepB>

that your killing my downstream

<DeepB>

;)

<Seed>

virtual pr0n

<NC-17>

hmmm where can i buy laptop hdds

<NC-17>

online

<NC-17>

other than newegg

www.directron.com

[19:48]

I buy from there all the time

[19:48]

<NC-17>

www.directron.com looks good

[19:53]

<NC-17>

gotta go back to work... =\

[19:53]

heheh

[19:59]

NC-17: why don't you go all the way and get a 200Gb.

[20:00]

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: do such 200Gb 2.5" HDDs really exist?

[20:01]

<Seed>

nerochiaro is dreaming about one

[20:04]

ive only seen 120 in 2.5"

[20:04]

i don't know, i have one in my pc right now. probably they don't make then for laptops, yet

[20:04]

i'm pretty ignorant when it comes to laptops, never owned one

[20:34]

i can't believe it, i finally managed to find a red bull-like drink that doesn't taste halfway between dust and stale medicine. this stuff tastes almost good, even

[20:34]

<erwan>

re

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<Seed>

nerochiaro: <Shy> red bull ist tasty

[20:37]

well, de gustibus and all that, of course, but to me red bull is just foul

[20:39]

<erwan>

read bull is prohibited in france

[20:39]

<erwan>

-a

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<erwan>

considered as a too dangerous mix for young people

[20:41]

erwan: crap! then probably being found by the police with a can of code red, bawls and all these geek-targeted high caffeinated drinks would grant you immediate arrest in france ;)

[20:42]

<Seed>

you silly Italian

[20:42]

<Seed>

the police drink it too. they'll never arrest anyone who does

[20:43]

Seed: they would, so that they can seize the stuff and drink for themselves. don't know about red bull, but i'm pretty positive they do that with ganja

<Seed>

Lefungus says erwan is wrong

<erwan>

really ?

<erwan>

how much ?

<Seed>

he's also French

<Seed>

he says it's not prohibited

[20:49]

<erwan>

really ?

[20:49]

<erwan>

make him read this

[20:49]

<erwan>

cesu.ouvaton.org

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<erwan>

"Le manque de donn�es scientifiques sur les effets chroniques et � haute dose de la taurine et de la glucuronolactone fait interdire le Red Bull en France."

[20:51]

<erwan>

so

[20:51]

<erwan>

it's forbiden

[20:51]

"taurine" ? is that actually the name of a substance inside red bull ? that maybe explains part of the silly name

<Seed>

yes

<Seed>

that's the part they don't like

<Seed>

since yougsters tend to mix it with alcohol