[02:10]	<noiz77>	hey Yono
[02:10]	<Yono>	hey noiz
[02:10]	<Seed>	hi Yono
[02:10]	<Seed>	and noiz77
[02:10]	<Yono>	hey seed
[02:10]	<Yono>	any news on musepack dev?
[02:10]	<noiz77>	Yono: and you were right about the ui, i dont really like it too much
[02:11]	<noiz77>	hey Seed
[02:11]	<Yono>	hmm, I can't connect to the musepack server..
[02:11]	<Seed>	Yono: yes. CiTay should contact the Chinese dev now.. it's morning in China so it's likely he'll reply
[02:11]	<Yono>	great
[02:14]	<noiz77>	has CiTay choosen the developer they are going to use to port MPC to the neuros yet?
[02:15]	<Seed>	yes
[02:15]	<Seed>	he's done it already with another player
[02:15]	<Seed>	www.dfan.com.cn
[02:16]	<noiz77>	cool
[02:18]	<Yono>	you mean that thing's real?
[02:19]	<Seed>	I guess
[02:19]	<Seed>	but very few bothered to buy it
[02:19]	<Seed>	I mean, that page has been up for 2 years
[02:19]	<Seed>	if it's a joke, it's a pretty expensive one
[02:20]	<Yono>	yeah, thats true
[02:21]	<Seed>	and it supported the special tags MPC uses and Vorbis comments too
[02:21]	<Seed>	impressive, if it's for real
[02:27]	<Seed>	I see it for sale on eBay too
[02:27]	<Yono>	under what name?
[02:28]	<Seed>	ah.. seems like the Chine eBay
[02:28]	<Seed>	lol
[02:29]	<Yono>	lol
[02:29]	<Seed>	cgi.ebay.com.cn
[02:33]	<Seed>	weird
[02:33]	<Yono>	I made out the number 30 :)
[02:34]	<Yono>	the rest is just there
[02:47]	<DeepB>	this is way cooler
[02:47]	<DeepB>	cgi.ebay.com
[02:49]	<Seed>	what a disgusting gadget :)
[02:51]	<DeepB>	we're talking about '81 holograms here
[02:51]	<Seed>	yeah
[02:51]	<Seed>	so retro I feel like hurling :D
[03:26]	<SmrtJustin>	Isnt the preset buttons supposed to save the position in a song too?
[03:26]	<noiz77>	yeah, unless its in something like the first 10 seconds
[03:26]	<SmrtJustin>	I was 10min into it, and it said preset saved, but it only saved the song, not the position
[03:27]	<noiz77>	what firmware are you using?
[03:27]	<SmrtJustin>	newest Bernard Branch
[03:28]	<noiz77>	hmm, maybe the open-source firmware doesnt do that
[03:28]	<noiz77>	DeepB would know
[03:29]	<SmrtJustin>	hmm, bernards says: based on Garbage branch (as of 3 Feb 2005)
[03:29]	<SmrtJustin>	but there hasnt been a GarBage release since Dec 11
[03:30]	<SmrtJustin>	DeepB: are you around?
[03:30]	<noiz77>	probably uses CVS version of Garbage branch
[03:31]	<SmrtJustin>	should I update to it?
[03:31]	<SmrtJustin>	I figured it out, I have to pause it, then press the preset button
[03:33]	<SmrtJustin>	what changes have been made since the release and the current CVS?
[03:34]	<noiz77>	dunno
[03:37]	<SmrtJustin>	I'll ask DeepB when he comes back
[03:38]	<noiz77>	yeah, hes the guy to ask about the firmware
[03:40]	<SmrtJustin>	lol
[03:41]	<noiz77>	bbl, going to play with the recorder which i got today :)
[03:41]	<SmrtJustin>	ttyl
[04:10]	<noiz77>	im liking the recorder, but now i just need a bigger memory card so i can play and record movies with it
[06:13]	<Webby>	I guess no one messing with the mpeg4 recorder tonight eh?
[06:13]	<Webby>	get all hyped up, play with it 30 min and then boring and lose intrest, LOL
[20:14]	<nerochiaro>	i finally got a car and a car stereo, and played a little with the FM broadcast. seems to work when stopped, but as soon as i drive at a little speed it picks up a lot of static
[20:14]	<nerochiaro>	damn. any suggestions to improve it ?
[20:14]	<nerochiaro>	(without requiring hardware modding, that is)
[20:15]	<JoshMalone>	are you powering the N with car adapter?
[20:15]	<kronin>	yeah, don't use it while driving :-)
[20:15]	<nerochiaro>	kronin: great. parking lot stereo !
[20:15]	<DeepB>	nerochiaro: ground it with the car charger, it should improve a little
[20:15]	<JoshMalone>	nerochiaro: put a toroid on the poser supply cord
[20:15]	<nerochiaro>	JoshMalone: no, i don't have one suitable for european cars
[20:16]	<JoshMalone>	oh - nevermind
[20:16]	<JoshMalone>	hmmm....
[20:16]	<kronin>	nerochiaro: is it static? or is it a hum that changes volume based on the speed of the car?
[20:16]	<nerochiaro>	DeepB: "ground" as in "run a cable from the car charger to somewhere in the player" ?
[20:16]	<JoshMalone>	yeah - grounding the N might help
[20:16]	<nerochiaro>	kronin: static, i'm quite positive
[20:17]	<JoshMalone>	but the radio is known-good?
[20:17]	<nerochiaro>	JoshMalone: picks up regular FM channels very well
[20:18]	<JoshMalone>	well - strength on the Neurocast is much less than broadcast stations
[20:18]	<JoshMalone>	that stresses the tuner a bit
[20:18]	<nerochiaro>	i notices that plugging in the headphones helps a little
[20:18]	<DeepB>	nerochiaro: didn't you received a car lighter adapter? it works here quite good
[20:18]	<chreekat>	Hello everyone
[20:18]	<kronin>	huh, I don't get static but I do get, in quiet parts of songs, a hum that changes in pitch and volume depending on the speed of the car.
[20:18]	<nerochiaro>	DeepB: does it ? i read in the forums that it won't work with the 12 V car batteries we have here
[20:18]	<nerochiaro>	hi chreekat
[20:19]	<kronin>	we have 12V car batteries in the states. Do your car batteries differ?
[20:19]	<JoshMalone>	it wants 12V
[20:19]	<DeepB>	nerochiaro: it should work with no hassle
[20:19]	<JoshMalone>	the N DC input should accept 9-16 pretty well
[20:19]	<nerochiaro>	kronin: well, it's the classic scratchy old-record like kind of noise, which is usually what i call static
[20:20]	<nerochiaro>	DeepB: i'll try that, then. are you absolutely positive that i don't risk frying anything ?
[20:20]	<DeepB>	nerochiaro: all i can say is mine's alive before plugging it quite often
[20:21]	<DeepB>	nerochiaro: and voltages match, anyway
[20:22]	<nerochiaro>	i thought voltages were different, but as usual my abysmal electronics knowledge shows
[20:22]	<DeepB>	but there are always green, bad, electronic gremlins outside, so you'll never know for sure
[20:22]	<JoshMalone>	LOL
[20:22]	<nerochiaro>	DeepB: i have met these, they were attached to my brand new neuros, remeber that ?
[20:22]	<DeepB>	nerochiaro: lol, yeah
[20:23]	<nerochiaro>	DeepB: btw, i'm still using that charger you said was bad, in the forums, and have got no problems so far.
[20:24]	<nerochiaro>	DeepB: i couldn't find a better one in the usual places i go to shop for this kind of gear, so i kept this one
[20:24]	<nerochiaro>	but maybe i never understood exactly what i should have been looking for
[20:25]	<DeepB>	good for you, though i'd reach out for a lil bit more mA
[20:26]	<nerochiaro>	DeepB: did you say above 1000 mA, right ?
[20:26]	<DeepB>	anyway, dont feed the charger past midnight
[20:26]	<nerochiaro>	and don't drop water on it (but that's sound advice anyway even without gremlins around)
[20:26]	<DeepB>	800mA-1A should be a quite safe bet, yeah
[20:27]	<nerochiaro>	decreasing the output voltage, how does the amperage changes ? (if it does)
[20:28]	<DeepB>	it should pump the amperage
[20:28]	<nerochiaro>	right now i'm charging at 6V
[20:29]	<nerochiaro>	the adapter is rated 1A at 12V,
[20:29]	<nerochiaro>	so i'm actually pushing more that 1A to the neuros, if i understand correctly
[20:29]	<nerochiaro>	or not ?
[20:29]	<DeepB>	nerochiaro: yep, which is good
[20:31]	<nerochiaro>	yep, so my intuition was correct :P -- but how low can i go with the voltage and still be safe and charging correctly ?
[20:32]	<DeepB>	i charge mine at 9V, and the small one at 4V
[20:32]	<DeepB>	4.5V actually
[20:33]	<nerochiaro>	but your charger what amperage spits at 9V ?
[20:33]	<nerochiaro>	er, adapter
[20:33]	<DeepB>	1200mA
[20:34]	<nerochiaro>	fine. i think i got it this time, so maybe next time i go to an electronics shop, i will know what to look for. and stabilized is better, right ?
[20:34]	<DeepB>	yep, and more expensive
[20:34]	<nerochiaro>	imagined as much
[20:35]	<nerochiaro>	changing the subject, did you have any chance yet to take a look into the code for the filebrowser in CVS ?
[20:36]	<DeepB>	roughly, when merging
[20:36]	<DeepB>	then i tried it, and it still crashes on access to some of my folders
[20:37]	<DeepB>	i haven't make myself to the mood of trying to figure out why
[20:38]	<nerochiaro>	exactly, that's the problem i have too. and can't find a damn pattern to the crashes, on some folder it does, and on some it does not, but i can't understand WHY. and the error i usually get is an LCD error, which doesn't make sense to me
[20:38]	<DeepB>	which is the same to say than i'm a lazy ass
[20:38]	<nerochiaro>	DeepB: heh, this setback has put me in a lazy mood too, unfortunately
[20:39]	<nerochiaro>	the problem i have is an assert of type LCD_PRINTFLD2, which happens only in LCD/lcd.c line 741
[20:40]	<nerochiaro>	which is where it tries to write either the title or the acual list items
[20:41]	<nerochiaro>	but i'll be damned it if i can find what's wrong with the rectangle it asserts on
[20:41]	<DeepB>	0x0838?
[20:42]	<nerochiaro>	no 0x0849
[20:45]	<DeepB>	humm.. i have a lot of issues, sometimes it just doesn't come back out of the files menu
[20:46]	<DeepB>	sometimes it doesn't read the whole directory contents
[20:46]	<nerochiaro>	you mean, when hitting LEFT multiple times ?
[20:46]	<DeepB>	sometimes it just lock itself in the middle of a hd reading operation
[20:47]	<DeepB>	yes to the LEFT issue
[20:47]	<nerochiaro>	it reads only the first 20 items of each directory, i limited it because on huge folders ran out of memory. it's just a temporary things
[20:48]	<nerochiaro>	er, 30
[20:48]	<nerochiaro>	the lock on hdd reading never occourred to me, neither the issue of not coming out of the menu
[20:49]	<nerochiaro>	maybe i should really follow your initial advice and scrap completely the original menu handling (which i just modified a little to make this) and go for a completely custom menu
[20:51]	<nerochiaro>	probably that's also a good idea because right now i have to go some convolutions to detect the LEFT keypresses (acutally i don't even detect them), which might be the cause of the problem you are experiencing
[20:51]	<DeepB>	i really don't know, reusing code that works is usually a good idea, this is the same kind of list menu as the other ones
[20:51]	<nerochiaro>	it is
[20:51]	<nerochiaro>	the only thing that i changed is in UI_setupTextMenu.c
[20:52]	<nerochiaro>	i just changed the function that read the text of the items, so that instead of reading from templates, it reads from arbitrary memory
[20:53]	<nerochiaro>	or, in the new version i have not yet committed, from SRAM
[20:54]	<DeepB>	smart, though i suggest you'd better cache the drive contents into some kind of database, on first access
[20:54]	<DeepB>	then feed the menus from that
[20:55]	<nerochiaro>	that's a nice idea. my thought was to use the NAND, and just make a mirror of the file structure there, but with the files all at 0 size
[20:56]	<shaunm>	nerochiaro: get a 1/8"->1/16" adapter, plug your headphones into the RF jack on the neuros, and drape them as close to your antenna as possible
[20:56]	<shaunm>	nerochiaro: and make sure the neuros is powered. FM broadcast sucks when it's not powered
[20:57]	<shaunm>	nerochiaro: and if you're somewhere like LA, you might just be completely out of luck
[20:57]	<nerochiaro>	shaunm: thanks for the advice. the RF jack is the one near the USB1.1 port, right ?
[20:57]	<shaunm>	I can use the FM broadcast just fine in Chicago, but I can't get anything in LA
[20:57]	<shaunm>	nerochiaro: yeah, the small one
[20:57]	<nerochiaro>	shaunm: got it
[20:58]	* shaunm  really wants car stereos to have a line-in
[20:58]	<nerochiaro>	shaunm: i have seen a couple which had one, but were priced very high if compared to the regular ones
[20:59]	<shaunm>	better yet, if the music player industry would agree on a remote control protocol, more car stereos might implement it
[20:59]	<shaunm>	whereas now there are just a select few that work only with the ipod
[21:00]	<shaunm>	nerochiaro: yeah, but I fly to LA like every six weeks or so, and I have to rent a car
[21:00]	<shaunm>	any stereo feature that isn't standard doesn't help me :/
[21:01]	<shaunm>	and LA has like the most polluted airwaves you can imagine
[21:01]	<DeepB>	most polluted, period
[21:01]	<shaunm>	I'm probably actually going to take some CDs (*shudder*) when I go next week
[21:01]	<shaunm>	DeepB: yeah, you can pretty much replace "airwaves" with anything you want in that sentence
[21:02]	<nerochiaro>	shaunm: heh, i understand that. another thing: usually the antenna for car stereos is on the roof. mine is there, but thieves stole it (yeah, it happens a lot here). now, i noticed that putting the neuros near the roof doesn't make things better, only if the neuros is near the actual stereo it works
[21:03]	<shaunm>	weird
[21:03]	<shaunm>	the stereo is probably also able to pick up some of the signal
[21:03]	<shaunm>	if you don't really need both your hands, put your thumb over the "neuros" label near the bottom
[21:03]	<shaunm>	that's where the transmitter is. you'll be a human antenna ;)
[21:04]	<nerochiaro>	:) yeah, but i need hands to drive, unfortunately
[21:04]	<shaunm>	the fact is, all FM broadcasters suck. some just suck less.
[21:04]	<shaunm>	the one in the neuros is one of the least sucky I've seen, but it still sucks
[21:05]	<nerochiaro>	well, you can't really pack much into such a small transmitter, i guess
[21:05]	<nerochiaro>	i mean, low power transmitter
[21:06]	<shaunm>	well, there are FCC regulations
[21:06]	<DeepB>	i did the lupavista mod, a while ago
[21:06]	<shaunm>	so there's only so much juice you can legally put into them
[21:06]	<DeepB>	had to undone it
[21:06]	<nerochiaro>	why ?
[21:06]	<shaunm>	really, the best thing for everybody would be for the industry to create a standard remote connection protocol
[21:06]	<shaunm>	then promote it heavily
[21:07]	<shaunm>	make fun of everybody who doesn't use it, etc.
[21:07]	<DeepB>	it didn't help, cutted off the broadcasted signal, but maybe it was my fault
[21:08]	<nerochiaro>	would it help somehow to being able to rig both receiver and transmitter to use frequencies below or above the standard FM range ? or that isn't even possible ?
[21:08]	<DeepB>	because i connected the antenna and the headphones, instead of the RF port
[21:08]	<shaunm>	I should really upgrade this beast some day
[21:08]	* shaunm  is still using the original neuros
[21:09]	<nerochiaro>	shaunm: i'm too sucky at electronics to have courage to open it and put my hands on it
[21:09]	<shaunm>	oh, I don't want to open the thing
[21:09]	<nerochiaro>	ah, upgrade to N2, you mean
[21:09]	<shaunm>	yeah
[21:09]	<shaunm>	it can do lower frequencies than the original
[21:10]	<shaunm>	which is really useful, because the lower frequencies usually aren't as crowded
[21:10]	<shaunm>	and it's USB 2
[21:10]	<shaunm>	20GB over USB 1.1 is excrutiating
[21:10]	<nerochiaro>	yes, here i can use only low freqs. 88.5 seems to be the best
[21:10]	<nerochiaro>	usb 1.1 is PAIN
[21:10]	<noiz77>	hey Keith
[21:10]	<AmericanTechpush>	hey
[21:10]	<nerochiaro>	keith, good evening
[21:24]	<kronin>	keith: feel free to use the pics anyway you want. I won't even charge you for them :-)
[21:24]	<Yono>	hey kronin
[21:24]	<kronin>	what's up?
[21:25]	<Yono>	I got some samples of my own now :)
[21:25]	<kronin>	yeah, I got home last night and had a present on my porch. It was nice.
[21:31]	<noiz77>	yeah, i had a present on my porch come yesterday too :)
[21:31]	<kronin>	I didn't really notice the volume problem people are posting on the forums about.
[21:31]	<kronin>	it was a little quieter, but not to the point I needed to crank the volume during playback.
[21:32]	<Yono>	I recorded one of the music channels and I thought the audio sounded good, a little soft though
[23:04]	<AmericanTechpush>	www.webpronews.com
[23:04]	<AmericanTechpush>	IBM invest in opensource
[23:08]	<JoshMalone>	what volume problems?
[23:08]	<JoshMalone>	(reading thru logs)
[23:08]	<kronin>	it's all over the forums...
[23:09]	<kronin>	and it's on the recorder.
[23:10]	<kronin>	www.neurosaudio.com
[23:12]	<JoshMalone>	OH - I see
[23:12]	<kronin>	here's another one:
[23:12]	<kronin>	www.neurosaudio.com