Log from #neuros IRC channel

slideshow?

picture slideshow on the recorder

ah

yeah, i just responded

[00:49]

i'll try it out next time i hook up the recorder

[00:49]

yeah, me too.

[00:49]

and now, back to your regularly scheduled program...

[00:53]

another feature the slideshow should have is the ability to go in order or just randomly go through the pics

[00:55]

agreed

<Yono>

kronin: the recorder supports mircodrives?

and also added it to the menu when you are looking at images, so if you decide you want to start a slide show you can

yeah, I have a 1 GB IBM microdrive (CF Type II) that works great

<Yono>

thats great, I thought it only supported type I

[00:58]

<Yono>

that means it supports up to 10GB

[00:58]

<Yono>

(8gb microdrive + 2gb sd)

[00:58]

<Yono>

or once it supports usb host, up to 1tb ;)

[00:59]

what would be nice is if it automatically switches to the other storage once the first one is full.

[00:59]

if you had both a CF and SD inserted.

[00:59]

<Yono>

yeah, that would be a great feature

[01:00]

<Yono>

you should add it to bugzilla

[01:04]

bugzilla.neurosaudio.com

i'd like to see the n3 read flash

oops

not n3

"i'd like to see future neuros generations read flash"

i don't think i really care about n3 doing it

[01:19]

<Yono>

solomonn: ping

[01:22]

reply from proxy: host not found

hrm may as well discuss it in here

wellllll

maybe :)

depends on what needs to be written

<Yono>

wb kronin

wb?

<Yono>

welcome back, I think

ah, gotcha

how's things?

<Yono>

I'd assume thats what it means at least :-P

<Yono>

good, working on a project with noiz77

<Yono>

want to help inform noobs with us?

sure, whatcha workin' on?

[02:31]

sshhhhh!!!

[02:31]

:P

[02:34]

<Yono>

nerochiaro: when you look at the logs, the emulator you have to steal is the Blackhawk USB560 JTAG Emulator

[02:34]

<Yono>

its only $3000, so no worries ;)

[02:37]

<Yono>

of course, once linux is ported, you could just use KGDB for free, but what fun is that?

[03:25]

* unknown_lamer just got a new battery for his Neuros

[03:25]

<unknown_lamer>

now comes the fun part ... taking the old battery apart and building the new one

[03:25]

<Yono>

just try not to burn down the house

<unknown_lamer>

hah

<unknown_lamer>

fuck, I need electrical tape

ah, the joy of soldering (I'm assuming soldering is required to change out batteries in the Neuros backpacks)

<unknown_lamer>

my friend borrowed it to patch something on her huka

<unknown_lamer>

kronin: nah

<unknown_lamer>

kronin: electrical tape!

<unknown_lamer>

kronin: the battery is connected to the board via a two pin connector

[03:27]

<unknown_lamer>

kronin: and then there is stuff around the battery that holes the voltage regulator and stuff onto the battery

[03:28]

fun. I've never heard of using electrical tape to patch a hooka before, though. Duct tape maybe, or JB weld, but never electrical tape.

[03:29]

* noiz77 can see unknown_lamer turning on his neuros after the battery replacement and it just blows up :)

[03:32]

<unknown_lamer>

hah

[03:33]

<unknown_lamer>

yay, I found some electrical tape (always keep a roll in your emergency pa fixing toolbox)

[03:34]

<unknown_lamer>

haha there is masking tape on the battery!

[03:52]

hey sorune

[03:52]

* badalex is away: see u

[03:53]

hello

[03:54]

sorune: have any gentoo problems?

[03:54]

nope, it's working great now that i fixed that one problem

[03:55]

thats good

[03:55]

so, what would be your opinion on it as a distro?

[03:56]

it's the best one i've used so far and i don't see any reason to switch

[03:56]

that portage is nice

[03:57]

i liked gentoo, but i was just too impatient for having to compile everything from source...

[03:57]

i'm still learning portage

[03:57]

if I couldnt live w/ compiles I'd go to arch linux

my bro uses that, and its pretty nice

is there a way to tell what package a file belongs to?

right now im using debian and its the tied with gentoo as my favorite

a certain file, probably not

[03:59]

that's too bad, i did like that about rpm

[04:00]

so is this theory right...

[04:01]

if i copy my use list and use it on another install, i should get back everything i currently have installed

[04:02]

it seems that some things are missing, but they're probably dependencies on other packages... just curious

[04:04]

like the package.use file?

[04:04]

thats just the options you want some programs built with

you can reference the /var/lib/portage/world file to see what you've installed

its a pain doing an exact install of another system

the USE variable in make.conf only sets up what options you want those packages to be installed with.

in the the near future they're supposed to address that issue

i was thinking the USE var that you get back from emerge --info

is there any reason you couldn't copy the /var/lib/portage/world file to a new system, make sure the USE in make.conf is the same, then just do a emerge -UuD world?

but the world file might be better

kronin: that may work

[04:07]

you'd want emerge -D world

[04:07]

not u or U, that would only update packages that are newer then the ones in the world file, you want to install all of those packages in the world file

[04:08]

ah, right. I'm just so used to typing emerge -Uu world, that's what came out.

[04:08]

I'm always using -Duva world

[04:08]

it looks like the world file is the stuff that was missing from the emerge --info USE variable

[04:09]

sorune, i think combining the two will probably do the trick

[04:09]

why do i keep doing that!!! s/sorune/so/

[04:09]

the world file should contain all packages that you explicitly emerge'd

* SmrtJustin is off, ttyl

l8r

sounds good, thanks kronin

no prob. I have a tiny bit of gentoo knowledge, just glad it could help someone :-)

[04:12]

i can't believe how much faster it is, i read people saying it would only be 2-5% faster... i'm thinking it's a lot more than that :)

[04:14]

the biggest difference is everything is optimized for your specific processor, and you can take out all the general crap that red hat et al keeps in their kernels.

[04:16]

yeah, i think removing all that extra junk helps a lot

[04:16]

plus, just think of all you learned in the process!

[04:16]

:-)

[04:17]

<unknown_lamer>

Alright, I got the voltage regulator off of the old battery, made sure it still worked, and now the new one is charging

[04:17]

<unknown_lamer>

I hope.

[04:17]

ain't that the truth... it took a weekend to learn and compile everything but it was worth it

<unknown_lamer>

I'll check it in an hour to see if it has enough charge to show the charging animation.

doing a little surgery tonight, eh?

<unknown_lamer>

Yeah, I got a 2400mAh battery

<unknown_lamer>

Since my Neuros battery is almost two years old and holds charge for like two hours now.

[04:19]

<unknown_lamer>

If this fails I'll just order a 2000mAh battery (an entire $4...)

[04:19]

<unknown_lamer>

but I'm hoping that it'll charge the extra 400mAh properly and I get an extra hourish out of it.

[04:20]

hope it works for you

[04:24]

<unknown_lamer>

If it doesn't ... I will commit the rite of sepuku

noiz77, we value your input too much

good grief, s/noiz77/no/

i must be drunk

i was wondering what you were talking about...

[04:28]

<unknown_lamer>

Ooo, ogg flac

[04:29]

<unknown_lamer>

heh, someone else already created an Odna feed on livejournal

flac uses ogg tags... is that what you mean?

<unknown_lamer>

It doesn't use Ogg tags

<unknown_lamer>

it uses the Ogg container format

<unknown_lamer>

and is part of the Ogg project

<unknown_lamer>

it also has its own container format from before it joined Ogg

[04:37]

interesting

[04:37]

I've had bad luck with flacs with ogg tags. last time I tried it, XMMS didn't like them.

[04:37]

sounds like starkey has more work to do :)

<unknown_lamer>

I've gotten Ogg FLAC to work in XMMS

<unknown_lamer>

sorune: the firmware already has code to decode ogg streams :)

<unknown_lamer>

it even supports multiple streams in one container

<unknown_lamer>

(I experimented with it a while back)

[04:43]

kronin: do you use id3 tags or something else?

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i figure i need to support ape tags for mpc and ogg tags for flac

[04:43]

but since i don't use either format, i could be way off

[04:44]

I use flac tags (the ones listed with metaflac)

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in my ignorance, those could be ogg tags.

[04:45]

But I know I don't wrap my flacs in an ogg container (had difficulty with those).

[04:47]

I wrote some scripts that transcode all my flacs to aac or mp3 files. My goal of not having to go back and re-rip my cds again is finally a reality.

[04:47]

yeah, that would be nice

[04:48]

now the only problem is I'm running out of disk space :-)

[04:49]

now that you're on gentoo, I can share my process with you if you'd like. I'm using abcde to rip/encode to flac.

[04:49]

I was using grip, but abcde is alot quicker (no gui, command-line only).

i have to get a bigger hd before i undertake that too

once you get abcde setup, it's really painless to rip

<unknown_lamer>

abcde rocks

* unknown_lamer actually sent in a patch :)

<unknown_lamer>

I wrote the code that caches cddb stuff locally

really, i'll have to try it

what's it coded in?

<unknown_lamer>

because I usually end up having to fix a TON of typos in CDDB (mostly title case being wrong)

<unknown_lamer>

it's a huge bash script

you can configure abcde to encode to multiple formats during the ripping process, but I figured that's just extra overhead that I didn't need with my transcoding scripts.

<unknown_lamer>

when I get a huge HD I'm going to re-rip all my cds into FLAC and Vorbis

<unknown_lamer>

make sure they are tagged properly and stuff

[04:52]

I catch most of the tag problems before I rip/encode, but then if I find something after the fact I'm using easytag to bulk-change where necessary.

[04:52]

so the vital programs: abcde, flac, metaflac, vorbis, vorbiscomment, easytag, faac (for aac's), lame, id3 and id3v2

[04:52]

then you're all set.

[05:27]

unknown_lamer: did yonkeltron ever get his neuros working?

[05:28]

<unknown_lamer>

yeah

[05:33]

unknown_lamer: what was the problem?

[05:33]

<unknown_lamer>

SmrtJustin: udev wasn't creating the uba device for some reason so I had him do mknod tocreate it

[05:38]

mknod... never heard of it

[05:38]

ahh it makes block devices

[05:39]

thats pretty snazzy

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well gotta go, night

[05:39]

<unknown_lamer>

Yeah, we had to use stuff like that before devfs existed

[05:40]

isn't MAKEDEV just a shell script that calls mknod?

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<unknown_lamer>

yeah but it only works when it knows what the device is

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<unknown_lamer>

it didn;'t know what ub* was

yeah, I remember playing around with devices when I was trying to get linuxppc installed about 7 years ago.

man, that was a pain in the butt.

<unknown_lamer>

I never did try mklinux...

<unknown_lamer>

(I head a 7100/66 ... the midrange of the first powermacs and it was nubus so normal Linux didn;t work)

[05:42]

I tried them both, but neither one would recognize the floppy drive.

[05:42]

I have, sitting in my closet, a 7500, 8600, 9600 and a b/w G3

8600 might be an 8500, and 9600 might be a 9500.

<unknown_lamer>

they are PCI though

yep.