Log from #neuros IRC channel

Lurker420: well, if you stick around in this channel helping out people like you're doing now, and are willing to try out experimental firmware builds, then you're most welcome :)

[20:56]

gernika: that's wacked. I'll cross my fingers that it works with a full charge.

[20:56]

nerochiaro: that's why I'm here :-)

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Lurker420: (i mean, you're very welcome anyway, even if you just, well, lurk ;))

[20:57]

nerochiaro: I'll probably change my screen name then...

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:)

[20:58]

nerochiaro: any more luck on the browser?

[20:59]

Lurker420: yes, i'm working on it right now. started again from scratch, reusing less of the existing infrastructure because wasn't flexible enough for me. it's coming up much nicer now

[21:00]

might even have something in a releaseable state in some hours from now

[21:00]

if luck is on my side

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nerochiaro: excellent. how can I try it when it's ready? I need to build it, right?

[21:00]

nerochiaro: may the force be with you...

[21:01]

not necessarily, i can upload a binary on the wiki. of course if you get stuff from CVS, and build yourself you're always up to date

[21:03]

nerochiaro: I'd like to try bulding from CVS, but "listening" to you and DeepB makes me think twice... ;-)

[21:04]

nerochiaro: but i'm not afraid; I'll go to the main page and read up on it again.

[21:04]

that's the spirit!

[21:05]

nerochiaor: I've been touting this brick as the anti-Pod. I think I've made a few sales already!

[21:06]

JoeBorn: do I get commission on sales coming from San Diego? ;-)

[21:08]

If anyone is looking for some fresh (and free) music: www.salon.com

[21:19]

nerochiaro: I just re-worded the first paragraph: neuros-firmware.sourceforge.net

[21:19]

BTW, Chatzilla rocks!

[21:19]

nah, irssi rocks

[21:20]

if you get past the initial pain of installing, configuring and learning how to use it properly, that is

[21:21]

nerochiaro: is that for winbloze? have you tried Chatzilla?

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nerochiaro: it's the first program I've used, but it works pretty well and configuring was a *snap*.

[21:22]

i run it on windows under cygwin. chatzilla i tried, but didn't really seem to me anything special. of course, i tried it maybe two years ago, so i guess it has improved a lot since

[21:23]

nerochiaro: I'm sure it has. what internet browser do you use?

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but i traveled thru mirc->bitchx->xchat before getting to irssi, and i won't be coming back now. i use firefox

[21:23]

i know the two should be integrates somehow

[21:25]

nerochiaro: Chatzilla is an extension for Firefox now. You can start it from Firefox but it doesn't need the browser open to run.

[21:25]

nerochiaro: have you messed with extensions b4?

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sure, i have several installed

[21:26]

nerochiaro: my favorite is mouse gestures. i used Opera before I knew Firefox had an extension for it.

[21:27]

but really, regarding chat clients: while i might give it a try sometimes, i think i will stick to what i use now. it works, i like it, and that's fine for now.

[21:27]

nerochiaro: of course. why change something that's not broken...

[21:28]

well, sometimes it's worth changing what's not broken just for fun, but not in this case :)

[21:29]

nerochiaro: haha. BTW, "HowtoCompile" is what I need to read, correct?

[21:30]

yes

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nerochiaro: this link is not working: www.tortoisecvs.org

[21:31]

nerochiaro: the sites down... ;-(

try this

nerochiaro: got it...

[21:33]

nerochiaro: do i have to use IE for this?

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why, no

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nerochiaro: "TortoiseCVS is an extension for Microsoft Windows Explorer"

[21:35]

windows explorer is the windows file manage, IE is the browser

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it's a shell extension in other words

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nerochiaro: Doh! Sorry...I think that's the lack of caffeine talking. Speaking of which, BRB.

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:)

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nerochiaro: are you using v1.8.11 ?

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the latest stable version you can get from sourceforge is ok

[21:36]

don't worry

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but, yes, that's what i'm using

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nerochiaro: Ok, thanks. I'll try it in a bit. Are you going to be around for a while?

[21:38]

some more hours. if you go away, maybe start the download of the TI compiler first, it 200ish MBs

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nerochiaro: ok, I'll start that first.

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good. see you later

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later

[22:51]

nerochiaro: I installed Tortoise. Now I'm trying to install the compiler. I run setup.exe but the installer isn't working...

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what happens '

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nerochiaro: the screen comes up but when I click the install "code composer" button, nothing happens.

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weird

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look inside the files, there should be somewhere an installer that doesn't run that funky flash-like installer GUI

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nerochiaro: I can't find a readme that tells me anything about installation...

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nerochiaro: I'll look

[22:55]

nerochiaro: Nothing else named "setup". What about "50comupd.exe" ?

nope.

wait a sec

k

nerochiaro: BTW, I live in the "Little Italy" neighborhood of San Diego... ;-)

[22:57]

so, what you downloaded is a large zip, with a setup.exe in the root

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yup

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very large zip

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nice! but the keyword there is "little", i guess :P

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speaking of the install, is there a ccs directory in it ?

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yeah, little indeed, but quite nice. I'm sipping a lovely double capp right now...

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css.mdl?

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no, a folder named "ccs" in the root of the zip. is there ?

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ummm...maybe I'm not "getting it", but there were no "folders" at all in the .zip

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there are several .zip files left in the root after the initial unzip. mostly "cabs" though...nothing w/ccs in it.

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ah, ok, sorry, my mistake

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then i don't really know why it does not install with that setup.exe. it should.

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what OS are you using ?

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Win 2k Pro

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SP 2

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should work, i think. strange indeed

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oops, SP 4

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do u think TI might have anything helpful on their site? I'll take a quick look.

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maybe try installing after a reboot too. you never know

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i really can't say what's wrong

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sorry

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Ok, I'll try that now. B4 wasting too much time.

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No problem...I'll get it eventually.

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thanks for the help anyway...

you're welcome

hello all

hey

whats goin on?

still working on the file browser, restarted it from scratch and it's not coming up nicely

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er, "now"

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cool

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yup. you ? all fine ?

yep

everthing is good

we need that on the neuros

[23:17]

dream on, boy ;)

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and afaik, rockbox does't do the gmini yet

[23:18]

<ivel>

i looked and didn't find any docs...but why can't rockbox be ported to N?

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well, we just need the gnuboy part

[23:18]

<ivel>

are they an ARM proc in a iriver or archos?

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ivel: the hardware is substantially different, afaik

[23:19]

thats too bad

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rockbox seems to be pretty nice

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<ivel>

although the neuros will be great...

[23:21]

'will be'

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it needs a lil` bit of work

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<ivel>

nerochiaro: they never merged the newest f/w with CVS, so no one's reverse engineered the N code for file broswer and Ntris.

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I wonder why that havent done that

[23:21]

<ivel>

it's gaining...and i think that with in 4 months it'll be downhill...after the GCC port is done.

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ivel: you're right

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<ivel>

SmrtJustin: something with the opensource and TI compilier thing maybe?

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SmrtJustin: they didn't release 2.28 source yet because TI lawyers are still angry at joe for releasing the source for the old firmware. he's still resolving the controversy

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look at the news on ODNA, there's a post by joe on that, explaining why they pulled the source downloads from the site

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what does TI care?

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Neuros Audio wrote it, didnt they?

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* ivel thinks that this will be great in the long run....forces them to move to linux/opensource sooner.

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SmrtJustin: there's some stuff in the firmware that might still be proprietary to TI, or something like that. go figure what's in the lawyers' head

[23:24]

<ivel>

it's something with the f/w that is part of the TI compiler that NA didn't write

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<ivel>

sorry...i was too late

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couldnt they just give out the Neutris and file browser part out for now?

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thats not TI

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<ivel>

probably....and was wondering if they did that for nerochiaro and DeepB .....cause they were working on that stuff.

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<ivel>

[that's what my question was based on....]

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they might, you have to talk to joe about that. i think he wants to maintain a low profile on the OSS stuff with TI until the issue is settled. i'm working on the filebrowser, true, but i'm making mine from scratch, with no source from NA and no reverse engineering of sort

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img95.exs.cx

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nerochiaro: hope you get it working

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not that I'd probably use it, but it wouldnt be bad to have

[23:27]

SmrtJustin: is that a joke, isn't it ?

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SmrtJustin: i'm doing my best, and this time it looks like i might even succeed ;)

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I dont mind rebuilding my DB