[03:11]	<gernika>	time to go fishing
[05:47]	* [Chameleon]  is away: I'm busy
[05:54]	* [Chameleon]  is away: I'm busy
[07:38]	<SmrtJustin>	ngiht all
[17:00]	<Yono>	hi nerochiaro
[17:00]	<Yono>	what's up?
[17:00]	<nerochiaro>	hi
[17:01]	<nerochiaro>	nothing special, it's been a couple of quiet days withou much chance to work though
[17:01]	<nerochiaro>	you ?
[17:01]	<Yono>	pretty much the same
[17:03]	<nerochiaro>	i am running low in space on my hard disks, so i found myself in need to start that too often delayed roject of backing up all my music on DVDs
[17:03]	<Yono>	what format do you keep it in?
[17:05]	<nerochiaro>	heh, FLAC for lossless, for lossy well, whatever it was when i acquired it (trascoding lossy is of course evil)
[17:06]	<Yono>	heh, "acquired it"
[17:06]	<nerochiaro>	you know it
[17:06]	<nerochiaro>	:)
[17:07]	<Yono>	;)
[17:07]	<Yono>	how much HD space do you have?
[17:07]	<nerochiaro>	in total around 300GB, but of course there's also a lot of other stuff
[17:07]	<nerochiaro>	it's not music that's filling it, it's my messy way of life
[17:08]	<nerochiaro>	but the easiest thing to move away is music, at the moment, so i'll start with that
[17:08]	<nerochiaro>	movies too
[17:09]	<Yono>	yeah, movies take up a lot of space
[17:09]	<Yono>	especially due to easy to "acquire" torrents :)
[17:09]	<Yono>	maybe thats just me :-P
[17:10]	<nerochiaro>	i'm more a friend of the mule
[17:10]	<nerochiaro>	and i don't watch a lot of movies, so it's not that bad
[17:11]	<Seed>	nerochiaro: do you also have a wooden leg?
[17:12]	<nerochiaro>	at the moment, no, thank you
[17:12]	<nerochiaro>	but i probably didn't catch your citation, of course :)
[17:12]	<Yono>	just an eyepatch ;)
[17:13]	<nerochiaro>	Yono: that would be cool, but removable. i like both of my eyes in their sockets and working
[17:13]	<Yono>	to each his own
[17:13]	<nerochiaro>	eye ?
[17:14]	<Yono>	eye eye matie
[17:14]	<nerochiaro>	arrrr!
[17:14]	<Yono>	shiver me timbers!
[17:14]	<Yono>	hmm, u know what would be cool
[17:15]	<Yono>	letting the CF part of the recorder work with an ethernet add-on, then have the SD work with a bluetooth add-on so that we could use a keyboard and mouse
[17:15]	<Yono>	that would be awesome
[17:16]	<nerochiaro>	i'm not really familiar with the recorder, so i'll pass
[19:47]	<Koron>	bleh, I think my neuros died
[20:14]	<iswm>	Koron, bummer. What's wrong with it?
[20:22]	<Koron>	ah, I think I figured it out
[20:22]	<Koron>	I feel pretty dumb about it now
[20:22]	<Koron>	it was powering up/down over and over so I decided to charge it overnight
[20:22]	<Koron>	and then today it was completely dead
[20:23]	<Koron>	turns out the socket I plugged it into is tied to a light switch
[20:29]	<iswm>	Oops
[20:30]	<iswm>	Heh, I used to have my computer plugged into a socket tied to a light switch at my old house. Just so happens, a real light switch for the lights in the hallway was rght next to that switch, so I would end up accidently hitting the wrong switch and cutting the power to my computer.
[20:32]	<ssj4droid>	desktop?
[20:35]	<iswm>	It was at the time. It's a toy now.
[20:37]	<ssj4droid>	why do these sync managers not ignore capitalization? :(
[20:37]	<Yono>	because they're lazy?
[20:38]	<iswm>	Hack the source
[20:39]	<ssj4droid>	I'm lazy too, I don't want to rename all my files
[20:39]	<ssj4droid>	and I can't hack the source
[22:09]	<Seed>	Hi JoeBorn
[22:09]	<Yono>	hi JoeBorn
[22:10]	<JoeBorn>	hello
[22:10]	<Seed>	how are you?
[22:10]	<Yono>	what's up?
[22:10]	<Seed>	Yono: copycat
[22:10]	<Yono>	:)
[22:11]	<JoeBorn>	just fine, and you?
[22:11]	<Seed>	running on tea
[22:12]	<Yono>	so Joe, how did TI seem to feel about releasing their code?
[22:20]	<JoeBorn>	um, well TI isn't too enthused about releasing their code, but our position is that there isn't any of their code in what we released.
[22:20]	<JoeBorn>	we'll see what they come back with next week.
[22:21]	<Yono>	lets just hope that they don't notice those: "Property of TI" headers ;)
[22:22]	<JoeBorn>	well, that's exactly what they did notice, but I think that's all there is of theirs.
[22:22]	<JoeBorn>	who know's well find out.
[22:22]	<Yono>	yep
[22:23]	<Yono>	at least you won't have to worry about that as much with linux
[22:23]	<Yono>	of course, I heard that there was some trouble with the first round of firmware :(
[22:27]	<JoeBorn>	always seems to be the way.
[22:29]	<Yono>	still more of an attempt than the original company
[22:29]	<JoeBorn>	we'll get it.
[22:30]	<Yono>	I'm sure you will, and within the week most likely
[22:30]	<JoeBorn>	yep
[22:30]	<Yono>	how's the backorder buisness going?
[22:34]	<JoeBorn>	not pleasant having a backorder.
[22:35]	<Yono>	no, it isn't
[22:35]	<DeepB>	could anyone paste a small list of freedb.org mirrors? i think the main server is down
[22:37]	<unknown_lamer>	DeepB: 64.233.161.104
[22:37]	<DeepB>	unknown_lamer: ty, should have done that myself
[22:39]	<Chawn420>	JoeBorn: why the backorder? High sales or production issues?
[22:39]	<Chawn420>	I hope it's the former... ;-)
[22:40]	<JoeBorn>	no, it's QC issues, we've had to redo the QC procedures, etc.
[22:40]	<Yono>	when do you expect shipping to return to normal?
[22:41]	* unknown_lamer  blames QC issues for the PCB hooked up his battery lighting on fire
[22:41]	<unknown_lamer>	I demand a free N2
[22:41]	<JoeBorn>	hopefully this week.
[22:42]	<unknown_lamer>	I emailed support about getting a new battery mailed to me and they wanted me to mail my backpack in :-\
[22:42]	<Chawn420>	that sux. been there and it's not fun. supplier or product QC? (you don't have to answer that)
[22:42]	<JoeBorn>	supplier in this case.
[22:43]	<JoeBorn>	unknown, you just want a new battery?
[22:43]	<unknown_lamer>	JoeBorn: yeah, I emailed support again yesterday
[22:43]	<unknown_lamer>	JoeBorn: er, I mean Friday
[22:43]	<JoeBorn>	I can probably help with that, I know some folks at Neuros
[22:43]	<Yono>	lol
[22:43]	<unknown_lamer>	JoeBorn: and got a message like "where is it being sent to / would you be able to provide billing details via email"
[22:43]	<unknown_lamer>	so now I wait until the work week begins :)
[22:44]	<Chawn420>	I was just wondering because I've been showcasing my Neuros at work...
[22:44]	<unknown_lamer>	JoeBorn: I kind of put the pcb that is attached to the battery in the HD backpack on backwards when it was late at night ...
[22:45]	<Chawn420>	It's fascinating for a lot of people that have only heard of IPod.
[22:46]	<unknown_lamer>	hrm, I wonder if sorune has something like iTunes shuffle feature
[22:46]	<Chawn420>	But, then I heard about back orders and one of my friends is going on a long trip...
[22:46]	<unknown_lamer>	since I have to use my neuros in 128M mode for a while
[22:48]	<Chawn420>	...he needs to purchase soon. So, how long before you're caught up and shipping normally (best/worst case)?
[22:49]	<JoeBorn>	I'd have to look at the backorder amount, but I would guess another week and we'll be all caught up.
[22:50]	<Chawn420>	JoeBorn: thanks for the info. I'll let him know...
[22:50]	<Chawn420>	Does anybody have a few minutes and some patience to spare? I'm trying to DL and compile the FW for the first time.
[22:51]	<DeepB>	Chawn420: i could spare a few minutes
[22:51]	<Chawn420>	I've installed the compiler, Cygwin, and Tortoise, but I'm having issues even getting Tortoise to DL the CVS
[22:52]	<Chawn420>	DeepB: that would be great.
[22:52]	<DeepB>	what's your CVSROOT?
[22:52]	<Chawn420>	Let me get Tortoise up...
[22:53]	<DeepB>	it should be :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/neuros-firmware
[22:53]	<Chawn420>	This should work, right? :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/neuros-firmware
[22:53]	<Chawn420>	yup... ;-)
[22:53]	<DeepB>	perfect
[22:54]	<DeepB>	then you may want to download the garbage branch
[22:54]	<Chawn420>	but when I try to contact the server, for branch lists or whatever, nothing happens once the status window opens
[22:54]	<DeepB>	as the compilation instructions are for that one and derivatives
[22:54]	<DeepB>	so turn to the revision tab
[22:55]	<DeepB>	and choose the 'garbage' branch
[22:57]	<DeepB>	regular CVS uses outbound TCP 2401, make sure you allow this in your firewall, if any
[22:57]	<Chawn420>	Should I "update list" to see your branch
[22:57]	<Chawn420>	Is that not allowed by default? I am just using a router firewall right now..
[22:58]	<DeepB>	it's not really needed, you can write up 'garbage' manually
[22:59]	<DeepB>	usually all outbound connections are allowed, but can't tell for your very own setup
[23:00]	<DeepB>	some personal firewalls mess with that
[23:02]	<Chawn420>	it's the linksys default settings. I'm looking on the router settings but don't see anything set that would block it.
[23:02]	<DeepB>	so if you can't reach the sf.net cvs server, check all the stuff you know that could be blocking it
[23:03]	<Chawn420>	Can I ping it from dos prompt to check?
[23:04]	<DeepB>	yep, try it, but you can't ping a port
[23:04]	<DeepB>	nmap comes in handy in those cases
[23:05]	<Chawn420>	first I'll try Tortoise again. For module, I have :
[23:05]	<Chawn420>	neuros-firmware
[23:05]	<Chawn420>	I think that's the only thing other than branch that didn't fill in automatically when I pasted the root
[23:06]	<DeepB>	that's ok
[23:06]	<Chawn420>	I just noticed the Port is empty...should I put in what you recommended above?
[23:07]	<Chawn420>	in tortoise.
[23:07]	<DeepB>	no, leave it
[23:07]	<Chawn420>	Error, CVS operation failed
[23:08]	<DeepB>	can you ping or trace a route to cvs.sourceforge.net?
[23:09]	<Chawn420>	ping is good to cvs.sourceforge.net
[23:10]	<DeepB>	try nmap cvs.sourceforge.net -p 2401
[23:10]	<DeepB>	or any other port scanner you may have in there
[23:11]	<Chawn420>	I only have DOS through a fresh Win2KPro install. should I get nmap?
[23:12]	<DeepB>	i'm not aware of any bulk network testing tools installed on a plain vanilla w2k, so you should
[23:12]	<DeepB>	or any other port scanner you feel comfortable with
[23:14]	<gernika>	hey all, be sure and keep a copy of your chat with Joe, loglibrarybot is malfunctioning.
[23:17]	<DeepB>	!loglibrarybot: initiate self-destruct procedures
[23:17]	<unknown_lamer>	xchat autologs everything
[23:17]	<gernika>	Dave, I can't let you do that dave.
[23:18]	<DeepB>	lol
[23:18]	<unknown_lamer>	pics.livejournal.com
[23:19]	<DeepB>	what's that? an engine-oil based soup?
[23:19]	<unknown_lamer>	Blood
[23:20]	<Yono>	hmm, I don't think so
[23:20]	<Yono>	there is a drop on the right
[23:20]	<Yono>	it looks too orangish
[23:21]	<unknown_lamer>	maybe it's fake but eh
[23:21]	<Yono>	maybe its the light and you really have slit a sheep's throat ;)
[23:21]	<DeepB>	err... it can't be blood, blood's thicker
[23:21]	<unknown_lamer>	The light is really yellow
[23:21]	<unknown_lamer>	It was more of a dark crimson
[23:21]	<unknown_lamer>	well, when it was dripping
[23:21]	<unknown_lamer>	Yeah, there wasn't much corn starch in it
[23:21]	<unknown_lamer>	and I put too much water in
[23:21]	<unknown_lamer>	It was an experiment
[23:21]	<unknown_lamer>	before I wasted an ounce of red food coloring and 16 oz of dark corn syrup
[23:22]	<DeepB>	so, you're into fx for a b-movie?
[23:22]	<unknown_lamer>	A faux Satanic Ritual
[23:23]	<unknown_lamer>	www.winfieldcourier.com
[23:26]	<unknown_lamer>	Now to see if I have the wood to make the inverted crosses
[23:38]	<Chawn420_>	DeepB: does cygwin need to be running for Tortoise to work]
[23:38]	<Chawn420_>	?
[23:38]	<DeepB>	nope
[23:39]	<DeepB>	in fact, it is not strictly needed at all
[23:39]	<Chawn420_>	DeepB: we just configured to allow outbound TCP 2401
[23:39]	<Chawn420_>	But I'm still getting an error...
[23:39]	<DeepB>	was it blocked?
[23:39]	<Chawn420_>	and I'm also having trouble getting nmap to work... ;-)
[23:41]	<Chawn420_>	I can't tell...is there a more detailed log for tortoise?
[23:41]	<DeepB>	it has 3 levels of verbosity
[23:42]	<DeepB>	but none of them is really useful
[23:42]	<DeepB>	you may want to perform the CVS commands manually
[23:43]	<Chawn420_>	ugh...
[23:44]	<Chawn420_>	Is there a reference somewhere that can "guide" me through it?
[23:44]	<Chawn420_>	Because I gotta take off...there is still sun here and I need to get some of it. ;-)
[23:45]	<DeepB>	sf.net has some handy docs on the subject
[23:47]	<Chawn420_>	DeepB: Cool. TY for the help. I just took a BH in your honor... Cheers, mate.
[23:48]	<DeepB>	you're welcome