Log from #neuros IRC channel

[01:49]

<noiz>

Starkey: you on?

[02:57]

BTW, I read the cathedral and the bazaar

[02:58]

<noiz>

hey Joe

[02:58]

howdy

[02:59]

<noiz>

did you find out what was wrong with the recorder firmware you posted?

[03:03]

not yet. still working on it.

[03:06]

<noiz>

did the recorders of the people that tried to upgrade to the new firmware get ruined to the point where they would have to send them in, or did they just have to reflash with the original firmware?

[03:13]

<noiz>

cuz ive heard with the neuros, if you have a bad firmware update then you need to send it in to get repaired

[03:14]

well, I don't honestly know. The folks in China are just getting into the office so I hope to have an answer soon

[03:16]

There's two parts to the Neuros firmware... the theory is that if you don't mess with the "boot" part then you won't brick your Neuros.

[03:16]

BTW, good evening Joe. :)

[03:21]

night all

[03:27]

<noiz>

Joe: so can you tell us any more about the PVP? like storage size, what filetypes is can play, or your estimation for when it will be released?

[03:41]

40GB, 3.6" LCD and it should play most of what'll you'll find.

[03:42]

I'm still working on more complete specs, but MPEG1, 2 &4 in most wrappers, avi, asf, etc.

[03:42]

there's a big matrix of combinations, but it should play most of them.

[03:43]

there's still some work to be done, but we're planning a Gamma first release end of April

[03:43]

<noiz>

will it support sd or compact flash cards so you can recorder things on the recorder and play it on the PVP?

[03:43]

yes, it has sd and will be compatible with the recorder.

[03:45]

<noiz>

cool, now im even more glad that i got a big sd card instead of a big compact flash card for the recorder :)

[03:47]

<noiz>

im also guessing this will have little speakers built in or be able to play the sound through headphones?

[03:49]

<noiz>

im also guessing you will do the gamma through woot.com like you did with the recorder?

[03:54]

we probably will do the Gamma through woot.com, and the version one will rely on headphones

[03:57]

<noiz>

and im hoping that its just going to be drag-n-drop so you dont have to use software?

[03:57]

it's completely drag and drop now. strictly file browser.

[03:58]

however, it has a proprietary driver that won't work with Linux

[03:58]

just kidding

[03:59]

<noiz>

how about a proprietary driver that doesnt work with windows ;)

[04:00]

<Yono>

noiz: I think we need more of those around here :)

[04:01]

<noiz>

and when someone does plug it into a windows box, it reformats their hard drive :-)

[04:01]

<Yono>

and their screen says: GO INSTALL LINUX

[04:02]

<noiz>

ohhh, even better, it just install linux over windows

[04:02]

<Yono>

yes!

[04:03]

<Yono>

anyway, I'm gonna get some sleep

[04:03]

<Yono>

night noiz, Joe

[04:03]

<noiz>

bye

[04:04]

night

[04:11]

<ivel>

JoeBorn: any idea on price range yet?

[04:12]

<ivel>

[classified....???]

[04:12]

probably 349.99 to 399.99

[04:12]

<ivel>

k

[04:12]

depending on which channels we decide to use.

[04:12]

<ivel>

hrm...guess i'll try saving...

[04:12]

<ivel>

:)

[04:13]

there will be discounts for existing owners and such through the mailing lists.

[04:15]

<ivel>

cool

[04:45]

<noiz>

Joe: any estimation on the battery life of the PVP?

[04:55]

night all

[08:55]

* pwarren typing on my nice new mini USB keyboard :o)

[09:02]

hwo come I miss the juicy bits by 4 hours all the time ;o)

* chreekat waves

hey chreekat

wassup?

Not much

Gettin ready for Monday

[16:18]

heheh - I'm neck-deep in monday :)

[16:19]

Yes, I am the farthest west of anyone here. Hehe

[16:21]

heheh - east-coast time here

[16:29]

I'm not just on pacific time, I'm on *college* time. Some of my roommates won't be awake for 5 more hours

[16:30]

I'm up early. :)

[16:31]

lol

[18:11]

<unknown_lamer>

chreekat: lucky bastards :( I have class at 8:45 a.m. three days a week

[20:07]

<DeepB>

bad karma...

[20:07]

<DeepB>

wiki.ffii.org

[20:07]

<DeepB>

EU Council Presidency Adopts Software Patent Agreement Against Council's Rules

[20:12]

<Miker__>

dammit

[21:32]

does somebody sell a Neuros baseball bat that I can beat people with when they insult my N?

[21:32]

<Miker__>

can't you USE your Neuros for thant? (ducks)

[21:33]

what? and get blood on it? :)

[21:34]

<Miker__>

:) Well, there is no color option on the Neuros, and if you want it red...

[21:34]

hahah

[21:35]

<Miker__>

best response is to put on the headphones and smile!

[21:35]

yeah - nobody seems to understand anything but the size :(

[21:39]

yeah, just let them their

[21:39]

silly insults

[21:41]

DeepB: i can't believe they actually approved that directive

[21:41]

DeepB: EU democracy is rotten, and that is the proof, if there was ever the need for one

[21:43]

<DeepB>

indeed, they all bow after money and multinational lobbies, it stinks, but it's our Europe, we gotta love it or be called terrorists

[21:43]

sounds like America :)

[21:43]

<drz>

?

[21:44]

<DeepB>

yeah, besides, we are officially USA asslickers

[21:44]

disgusting

[21:45]

they might as well shut down the parliament, since the council is going to do whatever they want

[21:46]

<DeepB>

we, actually it's up to the parliament to approve it on second read

[21:46]

<DeepB>

*well

[21:47]

of course, but IIRC they need something like unanimous vote to refuse it. but i might be wrong

[21:47]

<DeepB>

nah, only enough quorum to approve it, 2/3 that's it

[21:47]

<DeepB>

and they already have it

[21:48]

so there's still a chance it will get refused ? what's then ? they will just reopen the proceeding from scratch ?

[21:49]

<DeepB>

yep, a small one, but there's still a chance

[21:50]

i'm not that confident, at this point. but still..

[21:51]

<DeepB>

do you have any idea of Italy position on the matter? or your national eurodiputates/parlamentarians?

[21:53]

<noiz>

anyone know a good vnc viewer for linux?

[21:53]

AFAIK they want to stay out of the fray as much as possible. apart of, IIRC, the greens

[21:53]

<DeepB>

noiz: xvncviewer, tightvnc, realvnc

[21:53]

<noiz>

k

[21:54]

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: so? are you confident with that? or you just simply don't have a clue?

[21:54]

xtightvncviewer

[21:55]

<DeepB>

because i don't know what the hell ours (the spanish ones) are doing

[21:55]

<DeepB>

and i must assure you i've tried very hard

[21:56]

<DeepB>

but it seems that no one really cares about it, there's no official info anywhere

[21:56]

DeepB: i'm not sure of that, i have not done any actual research. what i said is what i remember reading on FFII, but i'm hardly certain of anything

[21:58]

DeepB: the best thing you might try to have official info, is to contact MEPs, but i guess you have already done that

[21:58]

<DeepB>

great, gotta love burocracy

[21:59]

that's politic for ya, i guess

[22:03]

hmm, i have found some news, and it seems that our technology-related minister is against the directive, but always abstained from voting on it

[22:03]

and i can confirm that green and radical party are strongly against it (of that i was 99% certain)

[22:05]

<DeepB>

aarg...we need a revolt, while i'm still young

[22:05]

LOL

[22:06]

DeepB: heh, grab molotovs and let's torch strasbourg ?

[22:07]

<DeepB>

no, more subtle, hijack DNS servers, bomb email accounts, lockup bank accounts, ...

[22:09]

i think most of them they hardly care for that

[22:10]

<DeepB>

then maybe a molotov or two, well thrown

[22:10]

that's the spirit

[22:11]

<DeepB>

guess what? maybe I AM a terrorist after all

[22:12]

Maybe ? you don't even speak spanish ! you MUST be a terrorist ! ;)

[22:16]

<DeepB>

i've heard Australia is so huge, that you can grab a parcel, print your own money and set your own laws... maybe i should package now and emigrate for good

[22:17]

Australia has very tight immigration laws, IIRC

[22:17]

and if they approve your application, they decide where you should settle. usually, in the middle of a swamp. unless that's all urban legend

[22:18]

but you can still move, say, to the russian steppe somewhere. plenty of space, nobody around. just a bit cold, but hey, you can't have everything

[22:19]

<DeepB>

as long as i have broadband, and quiet neighbours

[22:21]

maybe you can get a sealand passport and move out there. plenty of broadband, and the english are quiet neighbors, i'm told

[22:21]

<noiz>

hey Yono

[22:22]

<Yono>

hey noiz, nerochiaro

[22:22]

<Yono>

what's up?

[22:23]

<DeepB>

Sealand? that non-existant country?

[22:23]

<DeepB>

sounds great!

[22:24]

Yono: same as yesterday, plus Europe patent laws are a step more closer to becoming crap like in America

[22:24]

<Yono>

lucky you :-P

[22:24]

DeepB: non existant ? just try to go there uninvited and see how non-existent is the shotgun blast you will get on you

[22:27]

<DeepB>

en.wikipedia.org

[22:30]

<DeepB>

Population: 1

[22:30]

<DeepB>

xDD

[22:30]

DeepB: yep, i was referring to just that. read www.sealandgov.org , towards mid page "Sealand Fights Off Invaders (and Wins a War)"

[22:32]

<DeepB>

crazy stuff

[22:32]

indeed, it's funny though

[22:33]

and fascinating to a degree. shows how the principles behind nations and governments are not as well-defined as one usually thinks

[22:34]

<DeepB>

Further information or specific queries may be addressed to the Bureau of Internal Affairs (burint@sealandgov.org) at SEALAND 1001, Sealand Post Bag, IP11 9SZ, UK

[22:35]

<DeepB>

note the UK post code

[22:35]

something tells me mail is slow getting to Sealand, proper :)

[22:36]

heh, yeah. hard to have a real postal service when your nation is a tower in the middle of the ocean

[23:07]

people who use their Neuro w/ linux:

[23:07]

what kernel do you use: 2.4 or 2.6?

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