[00:13] <SmrtJustin> lol
[00:43] <mehistme> avoiding spammers is hard these days :(
[03:21] <Chawn420_> Gernika: There's a "Free 40GB Apple iPod" google ad on loglibrary...
[03:22] <Chawn420_> Can't you filter that crap out? ;-)
[03:24] <Chawn420_> By the way, nobody probably noticed it was broken, but I fixed the "at the LogLibrary site" link on
[03:24] <Chawn420_> neuros-firmware.sourceforge.net
[03:27] <noiz> Chawn420_: where are the google ads on loglibrary.com, i dont see it, although it may be that the adblock firefox extension blocked them for me
[03:59] <Chawn420_> noiz: they're along the top. 4 ads total. I use FF with adblock as well..are you filtering out google ads specifically?
[04:00] <Chawn420_> yono: can you help me reset to Chawn420 ?
[04:00] <Chawn420_> i'm new to this IRC thing...
[04:00] <noiz> i think i may be, cuz i see no ads on the page, guess i'll look at my filtering list so i can remove the google block
[04:01] <Yono> type /nick Chawn420
[04:01] <Yono> :)
[04:01] <Chawn420> TY :-)
[04:01] <Yono> np
[04:01] <Yono> are you any good at C?
[04:02] <Chawn420> nope. I'm a mechanical engineer. only experience I have is a freshman C++ course
[04:02] <Yono> darn
[04:02] <Chawn420> and that was almost 10 yrs ago...damn I'm getting old ;-)
[04:02] <Yono> it happens
[04:02] <noiz> Chawn420: yeah, i did have the ads blocked with adblock :)
[04:03] <Chawn420> but I'd like to play along with you guys. so, I've been trying to figure out how to compile from CVS
[04:03] <Chawn420> not much luck though...
[04:03] <Chawn420> yono: yeah, how old are you again? 16?
[04:03] <Yono> oh, I know how to do that
[04:04] <Yono> how does everyone know my age? :-P
[04:04] <Chawn420> I've read the logs for about 2 months now and I saw someone ask if you were in HS...and you said you were a freshman.
[04:04] <noiz> now time to earn loglibrary some money...
[04:05] <Chawn420> noiz: there you go. click away brother. ;-)
[04:05] <Chawn420> noiz: not on the iPod one though... hehe
[04:05] <Chawn420> bunch of fascists I tell you...
[04:06] <noiz> dont think you should say click, since this is logged, and google might consider it advertising to click on them ;)
[04:06] <Chawn420> i see...not again.
[04:07] <Chawn420> Yono: I've my box is three weeks old and I've never done this used any of the tools required for CVS.
[04:07] <Yono> noiz:how many clicks from a single ip count anyway?
[04:08] <Chawn420> whoops...bad typing.
[04:08] <Yono> yep
[04:08] <Chawn420> easy there ;-)
[04:08] <Yono> ur box is 3 weeks old and u've never used the cvs tools before?
[04:09] <noiz> and you cant do that
[04:09] <noiz> ok from now on use duck instead of click ;)
[04:09] <noiz> dunno, a lot of 'ducks'
[04:09] <noiz> is what id be guessing
[04:10] <Chawn420> kind of like using parrots instead of the word for someone who unlawfully copies your product...
[04:12] <DeepB> chicks
[04:12] <DeepB> boobies
[04:12] <DeepB> pr0n
[04:12] <Yono> hi DeepB
[04:12] <DeepB> noiz: let's hope that will give you fancier google ads
[04:12] <DeepB> hi guys
[04:13] <Yono> u were mentioned in the logs, but I don't remember why
[04:13] <Yono> damn Pascal's triangle has stolen my mind
[04:13] <Chawn420> 22:11:04 <JoshMalone> How hard would it be, in the firmware, to change button definitions?
[04:13] <DeepB> Josh wanted to reverse his neuros
[04:13] <Yono> thats it
[04:13] <Chawn420> you got it...
[04:13] <Yono> thanks
[04:14] <Chawn420> I think it makes sense.
[04:14] <Yono> he wanted to flip the screen too, if it wouldn't be too much work
[04:14] <noiz> anyone know if you can open the google ads in another page, cuz the links dont seem to load when i open them in a new tab...
[04:14] <DeepB> keys: easy, screen: tricky
[04:15] <noiz> im glad i just looked at this ad "FREE* Pokemon Channel with BONUS Pokemon Mini"
[04:15] <Chawn420> Actually, he only wanted to reverse the buttons... "I can read upside down...but I can't retrain my fingers"
[04:15] <Chawn420> I naturally grab the brick upside down when it plugged into something, so I'd like to see that as well.
[04:16] <Chawn420> it's
[04:16] <Yono> oh yeah, thats right
[04:16] <Chawn420> someone esle said the same thing...Yono.
[04:16] <Yono> ;)
[04:17] <Yono> I'm staying out of this for now, I'm working on my own useless program
[04:17] <DeepB> then let's hope someone at Australia or NZ take care of that, they are used to handle things upside down
[04:17] <noiz> :)
[04:18] <DeepB> modifying the keys is pretty easy, maybe a one liner each key
[04:18] <Yono> hey DeepB, quick question, is it "strlib.h" or <strlib.h> ?
[04:18] <Yono> nvm, its <>
[04:18] <DeepB> <string.h>
[04:18] <Yono> thanks
[04:20] <Chawn420> now I see why you were asking if I knew C ;-)
[04:20] <DeepB> d'ya know the difference? use <> includes for files from the standard C library (or more obscure include paths), "" for your own ones
[04:20] <Yono> yep, I do
[04:21] <Yono> I just couldn't remember which it was
[04:21] <Chawn420> DeepB: any are you working on reparing the recorder function at all?
[04:21] <Yono> I kinda skimmed the whole string chapter :-D
[04:22] <DeepB> nope, i've tried before, but i gave up, i just don't know wtf is screwed
[04:22] <Sigma> hi
[04:22] <noiz> hey
[04:22] <DeepB> maybe some mem allocations problems, but it's hard to tell without a debugger
[04:23] <Chawn420> I see. What version did it break on? I like you're interface much better than the latest "official" release..
[04:23] <Chawn420> your
[04:23] <Sigma> i gotta quick question
[04:23] <DeepB> so i ended disabling the record database updating for good
[04:23] <Sigma> does anyone know when the next garbage branch will be released?
[04:23] <DeepB> Chawn420: it seems broken since .6
[04:23] <noiz> DeepB = Garbage ;)
[04:24] <Sigma> oh
[04:24] <Sigma> hello :)
[04:24] <DeepB> hi Sigma
[04:24] <DeepB> i can't really tell you
[04:24] <Sigma> i must confess i am an addict of the garbage branch
[04:24] <Sigma> ok i understand
[04:24] <DeepB> maybe when official 2.28 source goes gold
[04:25] <DeepB> Sigma: thank you, man
[04:25] <Sigma> i was hoping that DI didn't ask you to stop development cause of the TI issues
[04:26] <Chawn420> Chawn420 claps for DeepB
[04:26] <DeepB> not really, it seems they are not much aware of our development team atm
[04:26] <Sigma> hehe
[04:26] <Sigma> thats good :)
[04:26] <DeepB> indeed
[04:26] <Chawn420> DeepB: What were the major bugs @ .5?
[04:26] <noiz> DeepB: does the compilier work under win98, or do you need win2k/winxp?
[04:27] <DeepB> but, let's hope it all goes straight and Joe gets them to an arrangement
[04:27] <Yono> hmmm, I could've sworn concat(str,str) was a real function....
[04:27] <Sigma> really the only reason why i didn't switch over the 2.28 is because i would lose your enhancements....even though neutris is tempting
[04:27] <DeepB> noiz: Win9x? dunno
[04:27] <Chawn420> Yono: you see if you would've read a little more carefully... ;-)
[04:28] <Yono> I guess so
[04:28] <DeepB> Chawn420: check both the changelog and the discussion topic at the wiki, it there's something it's there
[04:29] <Yono> ha! its in the strlib header file
[04:31] <Chawn420> DeepB: Thanks, I'm gonna give it a try. Only reason I'm back on 2.28 was to try out the file browser.
[04:31] <Chawn420> but now that I've got my ID3 tags straight, I don't need it anymore
[04:32] <DeepB> Chawn420: nerochiaro is cooking a nice fb too
[04:32] <Chawn420> BTW, Tag&Rename is a great program for that (if you have music from many different sources who don't care about tags)
[04:32] <Sigma> another good program is The Godfather
[04:32] <Chawn420> DeepB: Yeah, I know....but he's learning as he goes, so it's probably going to be a while longer...
[04:33] <Chawn420> ...from what I gather.
[04:33] <DeepB> T&R it's great, but foobar2k it's totally rad
[04:33] <Sigma> users.otenet.gr
[04:33] <Chawn420> What's better about foobar2k?
[04:33] <Sigma> have you guys tried the godfather before?
[04:34] <Chawn420> nah, but I'm checking it out.
[04:34] <Sigma> i like it alot
[04:34] <Sigma> freeware too :)
[04:35] <Chawn420> how's the GUI? (sorry, but I need that)
[04:35] <Yono> DeepB: you been PMed
[04:35] <Sigma> its very nice
[04:35] <Chawn420> you mean, donarware...?
[04:35] <Sigma> check out the screen shots
[04:35] <Sigma> no its freeware
[04:35] <Yono> yeah, its called freeware
[04:35] <Yono> not shareware, but freeware
[04:35] <DeepB> Yono: wow!
[04:35] <Sigma> ooo new version :)
[04:36] <Sigma> time for me to download
[04:36] <Chawn420> ok...I see. I like that model...and I'll donate if I like it.
[04:36] <Sigma> it has alot of features..
[04:36] <Sigma> encoder...player
[04:37] <DeepB> Yono: who's this guy?
[04:38] <Yono> I don't know
[04:38] <Yono> he posted here: www.neurosaudio.com
[04:38] <Sigma> i use that
[04:38] <Sigma> and
[04:39] <Sigma> rename master
[04:39] <Yono> DeepB: he also said: So, if someone's interested in helping me with this, that would be great. Please contact me by email: krose@krose.org.
[04:39] <Sigma> the GUI on rename master isn't all that
[04:39] <Yono> anyway, i'm tired, ttyl
[04:40] <Sigma> www.joejoesoft.com
[04:43] <Chawn420> DeepB: That guy seems to know his stuff. I wonder if we can get him to do some more work...
[04:43] <DeepB> i'm emailing him rite now
[04:43] <DeepB> he posted the patch on the wiki too, a while ago
[04:45] <Chawn420> Sigma: Does godfather have freedb lookup & tag or something like it?
[04:46] <Chawn420> DeepB: I don't use audioscrobbler, but I've heard you talk about it.
[04:46] <Chawn420> read you talk about it? ;-)
[04:46] <DeepB> it's a nice concept
[04:46] <DeepB> it keeps tracks of everything you play
[04:47] <DeepB> and draws some statistical data
[04:47] <Chawn420> I guess I don't see why that's important...
[04:47] <DeepB> besides it acts like a social network
[04:47] <Chawn420> ...at least to me. Interesting maybe...
[04:48] <DeepB> and his cousin website, the online last.fm radio takes that to another level
[04:48] <Chawn420> you mean you can "use" someone else's pattern?
[04:49] <DeepB> really, you won't understand it fully until you give last.fm a try
[04:49] <Chawn420> checking it out now...
[04:50] <pwarren> is last.fm a streaming audio multicaster?
[04:50] <DeepB> pwarren: yep, a profile based one
[04:50] <pwarren> DeepB: Thought so, I can't seem to get it to play on my box.
[04:51] <pwarren> probably 'cos I'm stuck behind dialup :o(
[04:51] <Chawn420> do you guys use milkdrop visualization much? I'm addicted...
[04:51] <DeepB> ugh.. don't even try that, it streams at 128kbps
[04:52] <pwarren> wow. that's fairly huge. I'd be paying AUD$100 or so month for those sort of speeds.
[04:52] <DeepB> Chawn420: nope, if i wanted to get trippy, i'd grab a bunch of weed
[04:52] <pwarren> or Acid.
[04:53] <Chawn420> DeepB: 2x trippy with both ;-)
[04:53] <Chawn420> pwarren: those days are over for me...maybe fungi again but not cid
[04:53] <SmrtJustin> DeepB: what are differances between the Dec 11 firmware, and the CVS version of the firmware as of Feb 3rd ?
[04:54] <pwarren> Chawn420: heh, me too. Nicotine Caffeine and Alcohol are my drugs of choice these days
[04:54] <SmrtJustin> Bernard's firmware says based on garbage, as of Feb 03
[04:55] <Chawn420> + MJ for me... more than alcohol.
[04:55] <Chawn420> but I do like tequila a lot...good tequila, that is.
[04:55] <pwarren> for me alcohol = > 18 year old, single malt scotch whiskey.
[04:55] <pwarren> SmrtJustin: I've wanted to know the same things.
[04:56] <Chawn420> nice. I have a couple friend who really like scotch...I haven't tried many though.
[04:56] <pwarren> SmrtJustin: It seems the only way to find out is to trawl through the webCVS
[04:56] <DeepB> SmrtJustin: you can check the changelog, and the viewcvs history
[04:56] <pwarren> DeepB: Which changelog?
[04:56] <Chawn420> I live in san diego, with a mexican from Jalisco...so good tequila flows freely...
[04:57] <SmrtJustin> DeepB: aww
[04:57] <Chawn420> Jalisco is to tequila as Champagne is to Champagne...if you didn't know.
[04:58] <pwarren> Chawn420: Sometimes I'll have tequila, but it's hard to get good tequila in Aus.
[05:01] <SmrtJustin> DeepB: how do I see the history?
[05:03] <DeepB> SmrtJustin: i.e: cvs.sourceforge.net
[05:04] <DeepB> SmrtJustin: navigate through the ViewCVS files
[05:04] <SmrtJustin> +/- 20dB gain
[05:04] <SmrtJustin> is that for MiFi/NeuroCast?
[05:04] <DeepB> SmrtJustin: they were mostly minor fixes and small additions
[05:04] <SmrtJustin> is it worth me updating?
[05:05] <pwarren> is there no easy way to get an aggregate of all files for the log?
[05:06] <DeepB> any CVS based version since .7 should better than that
[05:06] <DeepB> since .7 has some car mode problems
[05:06] <SmrtJustin> so that feature is fixed now?
[05:07] <DeepB> not entirelly, i've heard some people experienced sudden shutdowns
[05:08] <DeepB> but i couldn't replicate it
[05:08] <DeepB> it wfm
[05:09] <SmrtJustin> I cant wait for neutris and Flac support
[05:09] <DeepB> Yono pointed me to a thread where this guy made a new spinoff from our CVS code
[05:09] <DeepB> www.krose.org
[05:10] <DeepB> i haven't tried it though
[05:10] <pwarren> SmrtJustin: You not the only one :o)
[05:11] <DeepB> FLAC would be cool, i really don't give a damn about neutris
[05:11] * pwarren  goes off to try neutris.
[05:12] <SmrtJustin> so whats the purpose of logging your tracks?
[05:12] <pwarren> so it can be uploaded to something like last.fm.
[05:12] <SmrtJustin> and that does what?
[05:13] <DeepB> SmrtJustin: www.last.fm
[05:13] <pwarren> gives you a profile of the music you like.
[05:13] <SmrtJustin> I guess its kind of cool, but I dont think I'll try it
[05:13] <pwarren> and fun stuff like www.audioscrobbler.com
[05:14] * pwarren  back from trying neutris
[05:14] <pwarren> not really sure how I like it.
[05:15] <SmrtJustin> I wish I could come up with a way to write a script to find all of my < 96kbps mp3s and move them to another directory
[05:16] <DeepB> pwarren: CVS aggregated log since .7 follows
[05:16] <DeepB> Fixed some CR/LF issues
[05:16] <DeepB> Updated templates
[05:16] <DeepB> Fixed some comments.
[05:16] <DeepB> +/- 20dB gain
[05:16] <DeepB> No record updating
[05:16] <DeepB> Fixed Car mode crashing on menu
[05:16] <SmrtJustin> CR/LF?
[05:17] <DeepB> SmrtJustin: source files line ending
[05:17] <SmrtJustin> oh
[05:17] <pwarren> for I in *.mp3 ; do ; [ id3info "$I" | grep ??kbps ] echo "$I"
[05:17] <pwarren> ; done
[05:17] <pwarren> DeepB: Cheers.
[05:18] <pwarren> SmrtJustin: then xargs that to mv
[05:18] <DeepB> pwarren: <
[05:19] <pwarren> SmrtJustin: Tho, that will probably need some tweaking.
[05:19] <pwarren> just pulled it off the top of my ehad.
[05:19] <pwarren> s/ehad/head
[05:20] <SmrtJustin> scripts/mp3kbps: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `;'
[05:20] <SmrtJustin> scripts/mp3kbps: line 1: `for I in *.mp3 ; do ; [ id3info "$I" | grep 56KBps ] echo "$I" ; done'
[05:20] <SmrtJustin> should there be a ; after do?
[05:20] <pwarren> perhaps not.
[05:22] <pwarren> hmm, not sure about the test either
[05:27] <SmrtJustin> hmm
[05:27] <pwarren> might need something like [ `id3info "$I" | grep 56KBps` != "" ]
[05:27] <pwarren> man is your friend :o)
[05:31] <pwarren> or perhaps a python script might be easier than bash.
[05:31] <SmrtJustin> lol
[05:34] <SmrtJustin> hmm its putting the files out even if they dont fit the criteria
[05:34] <SmrtJustin> what exactly is $I?
[05:35] <pwarren> reference variable to the 'for I in *.mp3' loop
[05:37] <SmrtJustin> hmm
[05:38] <SmrtJustin> how do I get the output of those files it greps out
[05:39] <SmrtJustin> hmm not sure if this is going to work
[05:39] <pwarren> I might have a go later, I'm a bit busy with other things atm.
[05:40] <pwarren> (school work)
[05:40] <SmrtJustin> ok
[05:40] <SmrtJustin> thx
[09:11] <pwarren> hey nerochiaro, hows it?
[09:24] <nerochiaro> pwarren: quite good, except this morning because i'm damn sleepy
[09:25] <pwarren> a late night out??
[09:26] <nerochiaro> not really. just sleeping bad, and waking up on the wrong side of the bed
[09:26] <pwarren> heh, know what thats like.
[09:26] <pwarren> spent wednesday night being pissed about the mechanics. grump grump grump!
[09:27] <nerochiaro> but i'll be fine,i just need to idle for a while without doing any actual work for an hour or so. --mechanics of what ?
[09:27] <pwarren> car mechanic.
[09:28] <nerochiaro> why so ?
[09:28] <pwarren> I rang around a few places and these guys were the cheapest by about $100 at $500.
[09:28] <pwarren> at least, that's what they told me on the phone.
[09:28] <pwarren> they ended up charging $1100
[09:28] <nerochiaro> what you neeed to get fixed ?
[09:28] <pwarren> (thats Australian dollars btw)
[09:29] <pwarren> I needed a new clutch, new rear brake drums,pads and cylinders.
[09:29] <pwarren> and it turned out the flywheel needed machining.
[09:29] <nerochiaro> that stuff is not cheap, everywehere in the world
[09:29] <pwarren> heh, I know. I was prepared to spend about 800 or so, but 1100 makes it a very expensive old bomb.
[09:30] <pwarren> holden gemeni from 1983
[09:30] <pwarren> s/gemeni/gemini
[09:30] <pwarren> but it does run _a lot_ better know.
[09:31] <nerochiaro> i'm not a big car fan. i own a crappy old FIAT piece of junk. it works just enough, and that's all i care
[09:31] <pwarren> me either. It was starting to become dangerous, with the clutch and brakes not working properly.
[09:32] <nerochiaro> i imagine. safety first, as they say. i just dread the moment when i'l need to get mine fixed. it's pretty old and the steering is starting to act funny at times
[09:32] <nerochiaro> the insurance only is a major pain in the arse
[09:33] <pwarren> heh, I can dig that.
[09:33] <pwarren> noticed an 0.3 release, nice one.
[09:33] <nerochiaro> so you tried it ?
[09:34] <pwarren> not yet, just downloading.
[09:35] <nerochiaro> when you do, let me know what you think of it. it does not do much still, but at least shouldn't crash and burn like the previous one
[09:40] <pwarren> heh, that's a start.
[09:43] <pwarren> heh, my Music folder gives error 0x7787
[09:43] <pwarren> but navigates fine around the rest.
[09:43] <nerochiaro> isn't that 0x7877?
[09:43] <pwarren> seems to be much faster than the 2.28 release
[09:44] <pwarren> erm. yes, please excuse my dyslexia.
[09:44] <nerochiaro> :) then it's "out of memory". happens on very large folders, when i run out of RAM to store the filenames that i need ot display. it's in the "known issues" list of the page ;)
[09:45] <nerochiaro> faster than 2.28 ? it's a lot i dont' try that, i'll try to compare them and see
[09:47] <pwarren> here's another bug for you.
[09:48] <pwarren> start neuros, select the 'files' item. browse around. go back, start playing a song, no trouble. try to fast forward and it freezes.
[09:48] <pwarren> requires up+play to fix.
[09:49] <nerochiaro> trying that
[09:49] <pwarren> aah, only seems to be with neurocast.
[09:49] <pwarren> that it freezes.
[09:50] <nerochiaro> i tried it with neuroscast, and i confirm that
[09:51] <pwarren> and now I've managed to do it with headphones in.
[09:51] <pwarren> takes about 5 or so fast forwards.
[09:51] <pwarren> the music is still playing through the headphones, but no screen updates
[09:51] <nerochiaro> just a couple for me
[09:53] <nerochiaro> mmh, with headphones in, i get the bug too, but for me music don't keep playing. i just hear a loud "beeep"
[09:54] <nerochiaro> well, thanks for pointing that bug out. i will see if i can get it fixed
[09:55] <pwarren> yes I get a loud beeeep too.
[09:55] <pwarren> no problems. I know how disheartening it can be to keep finding bugs ;o)
[09:55] * pwarren  listening to 'The Thing That Should Not Be' by Primus. Makes me laugh every time.
[09:56] <nerochiaro> no, it's fine. if no one reports them, they keep creeping. this way i can fix them, or at least try. and damn... it happened to me in the past, and i fixed it. this very same bug. but i don't remember how i did it or what it was. this is what i hate
[09:57] <pwarren> yeah, we really need the regression tests that DI have.
[09:57] <nerochiaro> do they ?
[09:57] <pwarren> yes, I remember MGao talking about how they run their releases through regression tests before they get released to beta.
[09:58] <pwarren> but then, they've got the emulators as well, which you'd need I'd imagine.
[09:59] <nerochiaro> heh, doing thing without any real debugging aid is a challange in itself, sometimes
[09:59] <pwarren> for sure.
[10:00] <nerochiaro> so far i got by with tracing debug messages to disk, but you understand it's not the most healthy thing to do
[10:04] <nerochiaro> the boss is in the house. i need to get back to work. later
[10:06] <pwarren> see you nero.
[10:08] <pwarren> me out too, gots to buy cofee ;o)
[11:00] <gernika> Sorry about the ipod ad guys. I'll see what I can do about that.
[12:25] <nerochiaro> gernika: ipod ad ?
[15:43] <noiz> anyone know why i would be getting this error when running 'make -f Neuros200.mak' when trying to compile the firmware
[15:43] <noiz> Neuros200.mak:656: *** multiple target patterns. Stop.
[22:15] <nerochiaro> hey yono
[22:16] <SmrtJustin> hey Yono, nerochiaro
[22:16] <Yono> hey guys
[22:16] <noiz> hola Yono
[22:16] <Yono> I'm trying to get Joe to release the other stuff
[22:16] <Yono> since we already have the TI libs :)
[22:16] <kronin> did he hear back from Michael after his second meeting with TI?
[22:17] <SmrtJustin> what, like neutris and the file browser?
[22:17] <Yono> ye, check out OdNA
[22:17] <kronin> ah, nice.
[22:17] <kronin> except for the "without those files, the project will not build" part.
[22:18] <nerochiaro> not very good news
[22:18] <SmrtJustin> no its not
[22:18] <Yono> (16:17:37) Joe X Born: are there specific files that you guys want? maybe we can just post them to sourceforge
[22:18] <Yono> (16:17:54) Yono: the file browser files
[22:18] <Yono> (16:18:07) Yono: thats the most requested change in the open source firmware
[22:18] <Yono> (16:18:13) Joe X Born: ok, I'll talk to michael tonight.
[22:18] <Yono> (16:18:18) Yono: thanks
[22:19] <SmrtJustin> what about neutris ;'(
[22:19] <SmrtJustin>