Log from #neuros IRC channel

<NC-17>

i need help with my neuros

what happened ?

<NC-17>

well, first

<NC-17>

its outside of warranty

<NC-17>

and i changed the hdd

<NC-17>

ive changed it back

<NC-17>

i dont think its me that was the problem

<NC-17>

now

<NC-17>

when i try to start it

<NC-17>

it whirs the hdd a bit

<NC-17>

then powers off instantly

<NC-17>

i cant keep it to stay on

<NC-17>

stays on for like 5 secs max or something

<NC-17>

then dies

<NC-17>

which is confusing to diagnose

maybe a battery problem ? have you tried to use the other backpack ?

<NC-17>

yeah it wont even start with the battery only bp

<NC-17>

i think its a brain issue

<NC-17>

the hdds work fine in my external enclosure

<NC-17>

but why it wont even boot up at all in the flash bp is weird

<NC-17>

i believe its full of charge too

<NC-17>

so im kinda lost with what i could do...

<NC-17>

buy a new brain i guess

damaged the backpack connector?

<NC-17>

not that i can see

i have no idea, sorry

<NC-17>

it still powers

<NC-17>

so something works

<NC-17>

but something doesnt

<NC-17>

battery indicator says full

<NC-17>

when i can see it that is hehe

[18:27]

<NC-17>

the light flashes on the hdd bp to show its charging too when plugged in to ac adapter

[18:27]

<NC-17>

and also blinks to show it has power when not plugged in

<NC-17>

hmmm

how old is the battery?

<NC-17>

got it to the diag menu

<NC-17>

damn powered off

<NC-17>

erm

<NC-17>

i bought it

<NC-17>

first gen

<NC-17>

july

<NC-17>

2002?

battery may be too old

I think the power supply in the N relies on the battery to stabilize current, etc.

<NC-17>

yeah

<NC-17>

hmmm

<NC-17>

it was working fine with my new hdd in the car for a while

<NC-17>

then one time...

<NC-17>

cant mount hdd

<NC-17>

goes to diag menu

<NC-17>

now it wont hold power after looking at hdds

<NC-17>

even though battery says full

<NC-17>

i guess ill try to order a new battery first

<NC-17>

start at low expense and work up

lithium battery have short life :(

<NC-17>

if its dead i guess ill wait till n3

(I mean charge/discharge cycles)

<NC-17>

oh

<NC-17>

might be it

[18:31]

<NC-17>

strange how it shows full charge

[18:32]

<NC-17>

maybe not enough time to get battery reading properly

[18:32]

voltage will be fine, but can't supply enough current

<NC-17>

ah

when Li-Ion cells die, they get very high internal resistance

they go high-impedance

<NC-17>

i thee

<NC-17>

yeah

<NC-17>

i really dont think its me

<NC-17>

and changing hdd and stuff

<NC-17>

(it was out of warranty anyway before i decided to do that)

<NC-17>

im not an electronics noobie or anything

<NC-17>

just so u guys know where im coming from seeing as im here all the time

new HDD may take more current than the old one

<NC-17>

might as well know who i am

<NC-17>

yeah, i have old hdd back in there now

<NC-17>

the original 20gb

<NC-17>

but my 80gb seemed ok for about a week

<NC-17>

the hdd loads fine connected to the bp with the usb cable in windows

<NC-17>

(no brain attached)

powered by USB?

<NC-17>

yeah

<NC-17>

loads up easy

hmmm...sounds indicative of power supply issues in the N...

<NC-17>

could need a new hdd bp board/

<NC-17>

?

<NC-17>

but the other bp doesnt even boot up

<NC-17>

which means the flash bp battery is dead too

<NC-17>

which is weird

<NC-17>

maybe i should try switching the batteries next

different batteries in the HD vs. flash pack

(I think)

<NC-17>

oh

<NC-17>

ok

<NC-17>

with brain attached

<NC-17>

and pluggin in usb

<NC-17>

it powers, and says unable to mount hdd

<NC-17>

going into diagnostics mode msg

<NC-17>

then it dies

<NC-17>

but its not the hdd

<NC-17>

yeah i think they are diff batteries

do you hear/feel the HD spinning up?

<NC-17>

yes

<NC-17>

charge says 407 i think

<NC-17>

is that a bit low or normal

and it stays spinning?

<NC-17>

i cant remember

407 seems normal to me

<NC-17>

413 now

mine NEVER gets above 393

<NC-17>

k

<NC-17>

diag mode is holding with usb power...

<NC-17>

formatting hdd...

<NC-17>

i managed to load diff firmware this morning

<NC-17>

(stock to garbage)

[18:42]

<iswm>

I think ~425 is supposed to be full

[18:42]

heheh - loading garbage firmware; sounds funny

[18:42]

<NC-17>

its jumping aroung 409-412 right now

<NC-17>

formatting nand now too...

<NC-17>

then ill exit diag mode and see what happens

<NC-17>

the icon is flashing saying it is scanning hdd

<NC-17>

and unable to mount

<NC-17>

i didnt hear the hdd spinning though

not enough current to spin up the drive?

<NC-17>

i dont know

does voltage sag during startup?

<NC-17>

cause without the brain on the usb works ok

<NC-17>

not really from what i saw

<iswm>

NC-17, you might want to let it change over night, then see how things go.

<iswm>

charge*

<NC-17>

ill try that again, yeah.

<NC-17>

it spins fine no brain

<NC-17>

with usb

<NC-17>

brain causes problems though

<NC-17>

maybe with brain on it uses batt power not usb

could be

<NC-17>

ill try a charge over night and see what tomorrow brings

<iswm>

Hmm, would USB really supply enough power to keep an HD spinning though?

<NC-17>

i just hope my charger is ok :)

<NC-17>

seems to work fine

<NC-17>

with just usb and battery and no brain

<NC-17>

i gotta get back to work now though

<NC-17>

lunch break over hehe

iswm: yeah - a lot of PC USB ports can supply more than the spec requires

<NC-17>

weird how flash bp doesnt power on at all though

<NC-17>

my mobo is recent

<NC-17>

msi neo2 platinum

iswm: and some hard drives assume that

<iswm>

JoshMalone, oh. Cool. Didn't think USB could give that much.

<NC-17>

alright, later guys

spec calls for 500mA per port

[18:48]

but on a lot of implementations, if you're only using 1 port, you can get the max current thru it from all ports

[18:49]

hey JoshMalone, what were you saying about garbage's fw ?

[18:49]

just that it sounded funny to say something like "I'm loading garbage firmware"

[18:50]

yeah, i can read ;) what do you find especially funny, i mean

[18:51]

er, turns out that in fact i CAN'T read. sorry.

[18:51]

it sounds like saying "I'm loading bad firmware"

it took me a while to get it, i should really move out and have some lunch

my brain is running out of fuel.

later

l8r

[19:03]

<iswm>

Any of you guys use Opera?

[19:04]

sometimes...used to anyway

[19:04]

<iswm>

Can you test something for me with it real quick?

[19:09]

don't have it installed on this machine...

[19:10]

sorry - shoulda just said I don't use it :)

[19:11]

<iswm>

No problem

[20:33]

iswm: you ever get that page tested in Opera? I have opera 7 installed if you want me to check it out.

[20:34]

yep, looks good.

[20:34]

reported "Opera in US"

[20:35]

that's on Opera 7.01 on Win XP

[20:35]

<iswm>

Thanks

[20:35]

no problem

[20:43]

<DeepB>

iswm: i have 8.0 if you need further tests

[20:43]

<iswm>

Wouldn't happen to have netscape would you?

[20:44]

<DeepB>

nope, Mozilla suite maybe, but not NS

[20:44]

<iswm>

Oh, Mozilla suite would be good.

[20:50]

hey DeepB, still there ?

[20:50]

<DeepB>

iswm: You are using OTHER and are from US

[20:50]

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: yep

[20:51]

you remember that error i asked you about the other day, that caused a freeze on FFW ?

[20:51]

<iswm>

DeepB, hrm. A little buggy I see. Thanks

[20:52]

<DeepB>

iswm: let me turn the filtering proxy off, it may be confusing your detection routine

[20:52]

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: yep, i do

[20:52]

i figured out what caused it, and fixed it, but i'm perplexed. basically it seems that when you change folders anywhere in your code, you are expected to return to the initial dir before starting to play.

[20:53]

like the play code expects to be at a certain dir

[20:53]

you know anything about this behaviour ?

[20:53]

<DeepB>

iswm: You are using OTHER and are from ES

[20:54]

<iswm>

A little better. Should be reporting mozilla though. Guess I'll have to play with it.

[20:54]

<DeepB>

iswm: with both Opera 8.0 and MozSuite 1.7.5

[20:55]

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: nope, i'm totally clueless

[20:55]

<DeepB>

nerochiaro: but it sounds like something easily fixable

[20:56]

DeepB: seems so, but before diving in and looking for it, i wanted to make sure if i could save myself some hassle

[20:56]

for the time being, anyway, keep that in mind if you write code that changes the current directory

[20:56]

<DeepB>

will do

[20:57]

<iswm>

DeepB, mind trying it one more time and letting me know what it tells you at the bottom?

[20:58]

<DeepB>

iswm: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050105 Debian/1.7.5-1

[20:59]

<iswm>

Oh, interesting.

[21:00]

<DeepB>

so, what's the interest in spotting user agents?

[21:01]

<noiz>

DeepB: i log who visites sorune.com, its acually pretty interesting to look at sometimes :)

[21:01]

<iswm>

Person I'm developing the site for wants them logged.

<noiz>

iswm: are most pages in php?

<iswm>

Yes

<noiz>

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