[01:06]	<noiz>	its back!
[01:07]	<gernika>	yeah. it's running on impulse power
[01:07]	<gernika>	I'm experimenting with writing a module for supybot
[01:37]	<solomonn>	noiz: you should try to build your own kernel if you want optimal performance, etc.
[01:38]	<solomonn>	noiz: of course having the debian kernel is preferable to having your own broken one, so you might have to take some time learning
[01:38]	<solomonn>	noiz: if you get into it, try installing kernel-package and reading /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz
[01:38]	<noiz>	yeah, im reading a howto online about compiling a custom kernel for debian right now
[01:39]	<solomonn>	off i go
[01:54]	<unknown_lamer>	www.goingware.com
[01:54]	<unknown_lamer>	Hrm, I didn't realize that he knew how to code for the TI DSP + BIOS and uLinux
[01:54]	* unknown_lamer  pokes him on k5
[02:23]	* noiz  pokes unknown_lamer
[02:24]	<unknown_lamer>	hello
[02:26]	<unknown_lamer>	noiz: reverse poke
[02:27]	<noiz>	who was that that you were talking about that knows how to code for ti dsp and bios?
[02:27]	<unknown_lamer>	Michael Crawford
[02:27]	<unknown_lamer>	He knows how to code for the TI BIOS + ucLinux
[02:28]	<unknown_lamer>	and he has done some crazy stuff with memory starved ARM7 systems (we're talking implementing AES encryption on an ARM7 with no L1 or L2 cache, 1700 bytes of RAM, and 512 bytes reserved for a buffer)
[02:29]	<DeepB>	TEA should have been a better choice
[02:29]	<noiz>	yeah, he might have the skills to help with open-source firmware :-)
[02:30]	<unknown_lamer>	It ended up running too slow to be useful but he got paid anyway.
[02:30]	<unknown_lamer>	And they dropped the idea of having the firewire drive automagically encrypt data as it came in
[02:31]	<unknown_lamer>	If the ARM7 were faster than 50Mhz and had at least L1 cache I imagine that it would have worked.
[02:34]	<Yono>	hi seed
[03:50]	* [Chameleon]  is away: Church
[05:19]	* [Chameleon]  is back (gone 01:28:50)
[05:23]	<unknown_lamer>	The guy from K5 should be dropping by at the next IRC Meeting
[06:42]	<tkinias>	hola... I'm looking for assistance (or commiseration) with playlists and positron
[21:09]	<noiz>	hey Yono
[21:09]	<Yono>	hey noiz
[21:10]	<derobert>	hi
[21:11]	<Yono>	what do u guys think about the roadmap?
[21:11]	<Yono>	well, I disagree with noiz kinda, but go ahead anyway
[21:12]	<noiz>	AS support is getting closer, i just tested a new version of the firmware this morning, and now it works with the flash players too, and hopefully darren will release a development version of sorune that supports the firmware
[21:12]	<derobert>	raodmap? is that on open. ?
[21:12]	<noiz>	what do you not like about my idea?
[21:13]	<Yono>	derobert: yep
[21:13]	<derobert>	reading now
[21:13]	<Yono>	noiz: I disagree about what should come out first, but I don't disagree with your reasoning
[21:14]	<Yono>	I think that the recorder 1 just came out, however the N2 came out quite a while ago
[21:14]	<Yono>	and PVR is much different than a media player
[21:14]	<Yono>	bigger and less battery life
[21:15]	<noiz>	but thats why you also have the neuros II ;)
[21:16]	<Yono>	N2 is getting more outdated everyday
[21:16]	<Yono>	I think its the largest music player out there
[21:16]	<noiz>	but my biggest reason for releasing the recorder first is so NA can get the open-source firmware system in order, so there wont be a lot of problems
[21:17]	<noiz>	some say bigger is better :)
[21:17]	<derobert>	umm, ok, I'm sure this is a mistake... but no Ogg on the NIII?
[21:17]	<Yono>	the hardware upgrade is more nessesary than perfect firmware
[21:17]	<Yono>	derobert: its added later
[21:17]	<Yono>	thats the stuff it comes with, ogg will be ported over, probably before or around release time
[21:18]	<Yono>	audible is great though!
[21:18]	<Yono>	at least in my opinion
[21:18]	* derobert  has never used audible
[21:18]	* noiz  has never used it either
[21:18]	<Yono>	neither have I, but I would if I had a use for it
[21:19]	<Yono>	especially since ebook readers are dead now :(
[21:21]	<derobert>	what's the point of releasing a Neuros w/o ogg?
[21:21]	<Yono>	the first neuros was released without ogg
[21:21]	<Yono>	they already own the code derobert, its not like it will be hard to port
[21:22]	<derobert>	depends on how much the processor is changed, I imagine.
[21:22]	<Yono>	exactly
[21:22]	<derobert>	of course, a significantly faster processor wouldn't need all the asm bits
[21:22]	<Yono>	but a non-TI processor might need some changes
[21:23]	<derobert>	yep
[21:23]	<derobert>	but if its not hard or time consuming at all to port, why release without it?
[21:23]	<Yono>	they wouldn't
[21:24]	<Yono>	it would only be if its hard, and if it is, they wouldn't want to promise it and then break that
[21:24]	<derobert>	yep. so, we can conclude that they are expecting it to be hard/time consuming. Or at least a good chance of that.
[21:25]	<Yono>	no, but not much is sure yet, the processor including that
[21:25]	<Yono>	u should come to the meeting sunday and bring it up if you'd like to
[21:25]	<derobert>	Personally, I think it'd be best if it has a faster processor, one that can run Tremor w/o asm bits, preferably compiled with gcc.
[21:26]	<Yono>	I'm sure it would be faster
[21:26]	<Yono>	it would be silly not to be
[21:26]	<derobert>	yeah, with how bad ogg runs right now on the Neuros...
[21:27]	<derobert>	ogg + myfi => unusable UI
[21:29]	<derobert>	Yono: ever used imms (xmms plugin)?
[21:29]	<Yono>	nope, if I could, I would probably use xmms though
[21:30]	<derobert>	www.luminal.org
[21:30]	<Yono>	not built for windows though, and I haven't used my linux laptop in a while :(
[21:30]	<Yono>	ah, interesting
[21:30]	<derobert>	not sure what a windows equivelent is, but it is an intelligent random playlist generator
[21:30]	<derobert>	that would be great on a N3
[21:31]	<Yono>	well, hopefully it will work off the bat with sorune, assuming the chinese developers work well with us
[21:31]	<Yono>	(it=audioscrobbler)
[21:31]	<derobert>	ah, yeah
[21:32]	<Yono>	but I doubt it would take too much of a mod to work that for imms
[21:32]	<Yono>	do u know any C or perl?
[21:32]	<derobert>	yep, both
[21:33]	<JoshMalone>	wow - that roadmap makes me feel pathetic for still owning a N1 :)
[21:34]	<derobert>	heh, still an N1 here too...
[21:34]	<derobert>	I don't have any USB2 ports :-(
[21:34]	<JoshMalone>	me etierh - except at work
[21:35]	<JoshMalone>	course, I don't even use it that much
[21:36]	<derobert>	Yono: problem with imms is that it doesn't generate playlists in advance. It generates them on the fly, taking into account if you skip a song it chose, etc.
[21:36]	<derobert>	Yono: so it'd actually have to run on the neuros
[21:41]	<Yono>	hmm
[21:41]	<Yono>	that+myfi would make the unit even slower
[21:41]	<Yono>	definitely a N3 thing
[21:41]	<derobert>	yeah
[21:41]	<derobert>	though actually IMMS only needs to do work between song plays
[21:42]	<derobert>	it'd be more a 'good luck getting that to run on a small system' thing
[21:43]	<JoshMalone>	why not just log all songs played to a file on the N and process that log when you sync
[21:43]	<JoshMalone>	a.la iTunes - generate a playlist based on frequency of previous plays
[21:44]	<Yono>	thats how it works
[21:44]	<Yono>	with sorune
[21:44]	<derobert>	JoshMalone: because that's not what really makes imms nice --- what imms does that all those others don't is dynamicly change their guess of what you want to hear based on your actions
[21:44]	<derobert>	JoshMalone: hit skip with imms, it goes "well, maybe he doesn't want that type of song. Let's try this type"
[21:45]	<JoshMalone>	I see