Log from #neuros IRC channel

It may just me, but I have 3-4 Neuros running diffeenct firmware and I have noticed that the latest Garbage one shuts down often for no apparent reason

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Yeah, that's a given with the latest garbage...

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xcept I usually only have issues when running on batt. power.

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AC seems to keep it stable.

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If anybody has any ideas, let me know. I'm going to see if it plays in Winamp...so I may "disappear".

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Ok good luck

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thanks.

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<Chawn420_>

So, when I browsed to WOID_RECORD on the N, the PC crashed.

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<Chawn420_>

So, I deleted the directory and all is good again.

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<Chawn420_>

Except for the failed recording... ;-)

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<Chawn420_>

I'll just plug into AC from now on.

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it's weird that you can manage to crash your PC when doing something on the neuros

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<Chawn420_>

hi nerochiaro

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<Chawn420_>

I'm syncing to my PC and when I try to access WOID_RECORD, the PC crashes.

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<Chawn420_>

See the log from about an hour ago for the full story...

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what do you use to sync ?

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<Chawn420_>

I meant the N is syncing but I'm really only using as mass storage.

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<Chawn420_>

When I use Win. Expl. or Tag&Rename and go to that directory, the PC crashes.

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<Chawn420_>

NDBM is not running...

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looks like a problem of corrupted FAT

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<Chawn420_>

not sure what that implies, but the failed .mp3 recording file seems to have been the culprit.

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but it's strange that it does crash the OS, it should just fail reading it

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<Chawn420_>

I deleted the entire directory (record).

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<Chawn420_>

The other directories were and still are unaffected.

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<DeepB>

Chawn420_: chkdsk /f

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<Chawn420_>

I'll do that to make sure everything is cool.

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<Chawn420_>

"Windows has checked the file system and found no problem."

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<Chawn420_>

I should have checked before I got rid of those files...oh well.

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<Chawn420_>

DeepB: have are you still running 2.28?

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<DeepB>

i've no N, dude

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that's a shame!

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when is joe going to send you one?

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<DeepB>

humm.. i haven't talked to joe about the issue

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oh, sorry, you bricked yours last week...I just remembered.

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DeepB: the man seems to be online and not occupied at the moment, if you want to IM him

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you should talk to joe though...i'm sure he could help speed things up.

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<DeepB>

no AIM here, it's evil

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come one, just use GAIM

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not here either ;-)

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<DeepB>

a guy from their support team called Elliot is supposed to get in touch w/ me

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since when ?

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last monday ?

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<DeepB>

but i'm still waiting, maybe i should remember him about that tomorrow

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<DeepB>

yep, last monday

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JoeBorn: that's a good measure of tech support response time... ;-)

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The Skinny is that Neuros Tech support was running on half speed.. Becuase of vacations

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that's understandable...

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So been a pain last couple of weeks

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DeepB, have you had any successes making your branch more stable?

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As compared to say, 2.28?

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Just curious, not complaining ;-)

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I find it shuts down at random times...especially when using battery + neurocast.

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but usually with a battery at least half charged.

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aye.. I find the same thing

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<DeepB>

humm.. it is a experimental branch, but i used it on a daily basis, and found it to be stable enough

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deepb: you should really add that timer you mentiond to check that the voltage stays low for a while before engaging carmode shut down.

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DeepB: and yes, it does that even if carmode is not enabled

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<DeepB>

nerochiaro: strange... you can check the IF statement in the code, and IF is *supposed* to do what i think

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DeepB: so how long did you use the "released" version .27?

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DeepB: I would gladly do that, but i dont' know where to look exactly. The timer thing was something you mentioned and i just reminded you.

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<DeepB>

nerochiaro: could you do a small check? try to remove the code written by WebKid (i think he tagged sources with WK)

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i'm searching that tag

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I mean .7

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anyway, I gotta get going. a nice round of disc golf awaits...

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<DeepB>

nerochiaro: in particular a small hack for compatibility with older backpacks and animation killing while holding a key stuff

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<DeepB>

Chawn420: i use myself a .8pre

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DeepB: i found just one wk tag, and it's an harmless comment in UI.h, no code added there

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<DeepB>

damn, WK is such a bad idea of a tag

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DeepB: do you have it in binary (.hex)? downloadable from somewhere other than CVS

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no, it's not that i find too many. i just don't find any

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I'd like to try it but have been unsuccessfull getting CVS working

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aww, forget it. i found it. i was just stupid and did use the wrong search

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<DeepB>

Chawn420: nope, but i sent JoshMalone a binary with an upside down screen hack

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yeah, I read that on the log, really cool dude.

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<DeepB>

i could try to forward that to you if you want

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that would be great.

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<DeepB>

msg me Ur mail

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I'm looking up how to do that...

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<DeepB>

type /msg DeepB your@mail.address

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you guys take care. I gotta get some sort of exercise...

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bye Chawn420

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<DeepB>

Chawn420: sent

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bye nerochiaro

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<DeepB>

later

larter

*later

thanks again...

i'm looking at that code added by webkid, but it does not seem to cause anything strange.

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<DeepB>

UI_PSF_sleep.c Line 78

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shouldn't that affect the player only when in sleep state ?

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<DeepB>

yep, it should

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the unexpected shutdown problem happens only during normal operation

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where is that you added the test for carmode ?

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ah, ok SYS_main 443

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<DeepB>

yep

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seems to be fine. out of curiosity, why didn't you call _shutDown() directly (i see it commented)

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?

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<DeepB>

cos it's better to signal a shutdown instead of force it

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i see

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<DeepB>

nerochiaro: you use foo2k, don't you?

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yes

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<DeepB>

don't you find annoying the lack of a more accesible volume control?

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not really. i either map a couple of global keys or use the volume knob on my stereo

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but you can use an extension to have one nice volume slider

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<DeepB>

yep, i found those components: www.saunalahti.fi

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<DeepB>

the volume control and the GDI+ OSD are quite cool

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i have not tried many of these. but i found that the foo_columns UI is grat (at least the way i use the player)

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<Yono>

I like the columns UI

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<DeepB>

yep, i use it extensively

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<Yono>

do you guys know how to add now playing to the foobar window?

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mucking with format strings in the old UI gave me an headache always

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Yono: what do you mean

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<Yono>

like in winamp and xmms

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<Yono>

at the top have a scrolling bar that says what is playing, artist, album, etc

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<DeepB>

Yono: you can tweak columns UI to reflect that in the status bar

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<DeepB>

or pop up on the tray icon

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<Yono>

hmm I didn't see that, but I'll look again, thanks

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<DeepB>

or try this: www.saunalahti.fi

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<DeepB>

it's way cooler

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<Yono>

haha, alright, thanks

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cool, that OSD thingie

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but distracting as hell

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<DeepB>

tweak it to your liking, that's the whole point

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<Yono>

strange, I enabled it, but I don't see anything different

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Yono: enable also auto-popup

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<Yono>

oh, ok, thanks

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DeepB: yes, but anywhere on the screen it will popup, it's still distracting, even with small font. i guess i'm not really interested in being informed of the title of the song that is playing. at least not always

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now, if just there is a plugin for fb2k to fetch lastfm song info, that would be cool

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<Yono>

yes, I agree

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<DeepB>

nerochiaro: Core->Keyboard->... assign a key combo for popup

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DeepB: nice idea

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but unless i can get lastfm info, it's useless for my own music. i know it, usually

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<DeepB>

huh.. i just can't do that

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do that, what ?

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<DeepB>

only on this playlist i have about 4000 tracks almost 2wks of continous music

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i usually listen to full albums, and rarely use playlists

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deep b can you send me that firefox logo you made with the Neuros?

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<NC-17>

me too

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<NC-17>

i use the database tree view

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<NC-17>

and columns ui

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<NC-17>

with the panels plugin thing

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<DeepB>

and i have about 10 regular playlists more, all ordered by album, and somewhat equal in size

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NC-17: i just use the filesystem

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<DeepB>

AmericanTechpush: you can grab it from the wiki

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<Yono>

AmericanTechpush: its under the article WebArt I think

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roger that

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t-shirts are coming, Keith ?

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They are in loop

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Lots going on here

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We are excited about the new pre-amp that is coming

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For the N2 ?

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yes

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<Yono>

what did you mean by "custom made for the neuros"?

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I posted on the forums

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<Yono>

I know I read that somewhere

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<DeepB>

i'm not much of a taper/tapist/whatever

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Its a pre-amped that being tested and tweaked to be used Specifically with the Neuros

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If dont record, then it would not be much use to you then, but a lot of people do

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me neither, but it's nice to see stuff coming out that's tailored for the brick

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<DeepB>

i have some ideas for useful gadgets tailored to it

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what about some new carry cases with a proper USB 2.0 hole ? i already made mine with a pair of scissors, but everyone that sees or hears about it shouts: "SLOPPY!"

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lets here them Deep

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<DeepB>

first, a portable dock with extra batteries and speakers, and maybe also some audio/usb replication I/O ports

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<Yono>

yes, and some kind of desk stand

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<DeepB>

second, a video brain, for outputting S/Video or SCART signal from video files on the backpack

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AmericanTechpush: also, some kind of adapter for the proprietary USB2 cable (even though Joe said there is not much hope, i am still believing that some clever hack can be found somehow)

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<DeepB>

third, a non-portable charging dock, with wireless/ethernet streaming and audio/IO ports

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<Yono>

I'd buy one of the third for my N3

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I thiink you will see those kind of stuff come out after the N3 is out

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There is one goal in mind from a business standpoint and thats just to get it smaller

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<Yono>

so far is joe planning on releasing N3 or recorder 2 this year?

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smaller means more sales to the gen public

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I rather see the N#

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<Yono>

I agree

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I made that point to Joe many times

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<Yono>

Keith, did you happen to see the Cnet review of the soniqcast 2?

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However I would wait to 2006 if it meant a better quality product

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no

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I have not

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<Yono>

they took the old one, made it smaller, and now it only has a 6 hour battery life

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It will still seel more

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sell

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<Yono>

I'm sure

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battery life is the most overblown issue there is

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<DeepB>

off to bed, gnite all

IMOP

not deep

night

nite

time to get some rest too

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<Yono>

later nero

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<Yono>

hey joshmalone: you should read the logs from yesterday if you haven't already

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Mr Malone I presume

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<Yono>

they mentioned you

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Hey all

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Yes - I see in the logs from the meeting yesterday

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:)

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Sounds like an interesting prospect for the recorder

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I'm glad bruno was kind enough to explain what a bad idea a CF ethernet card would be in uClinux

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* JoshMalone is cooking dinner - will be AFK periodiclly

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<Yono>

ok

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sounds like it could be a fun little gadget to play with, though

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I've never worked with uClinux, though

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the boards I work with are powerful enough to run the real thing (glibc-2, etc.)

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Need to read up on uClinux dev tools

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linux for the neuros would be uber sweet...but probably not worth it.

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probably - at least the record + daughterboard would be a reasonable machine

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(if weird :) )

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time to haul out my TRG superpilot :)

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(on my ancient palmIII)

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would anybody be interested in keeping up with the logs on their mobile phone?

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hmm....nah not here

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but sounds like a cool feature, nonetheless

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gernika: How would you go about doing that?

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pwarren: I would use XMLHttp with some sort of java client

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Thinking of making the client opensource...

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<pjz>

howdy all

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<pjz>

Just posted some comments on the open.neurosaudio.com site, I hope someone read's em.

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anyone around owning a Neuros with a large harddisk ?

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well, i case anyone reads this in the logs, i would like to know how many sub-directories you have in your Music directory

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286

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thanks. size of hdd ?

and is it full ?

20G

4G free

great. thank you

that number is prolly low for typical usage - since I have a few subdirs that i moved myself

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but rest are as put-there by NDBM

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ok. typically each dir is an album, more or less

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well - my NDBM puts /music/artist/album/

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ah, ok. that bit helped

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you just wanted number of dir entries in music/ roght?

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(not a full traversal)

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no, just in the root. i'm trying to find out what is (on average) the largest number of items people have in their folders

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i asked about Music since usually it's the most crowded

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is that artist/album way of putting files the standard of NDBM ?

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I think so

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that's how it's always done it (for me)

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* JoshMalone loads up his NDBM emu

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emu ?

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NDBM pointed at my neuros backup directory :)

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ahh, backups. you're wise

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well - Enable artist/albums is a config option in NDBM

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I can't rightly recall if I checked it or it was default - have to ask starkey

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I rsync my neuros to my PC periodically

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and I have that burned to 3 DVD-ROMs

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<Miker__>

JoshMalone: me too, rsyncing is the way to go!

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rsync rulez!

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<Miker__>

JoshMalone: :) are you an NDBM dev ?

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I need to update my DVD backup, now that I think of it

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nope - I haven't done any dev on Neuros or NDBM yet :(

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<Miker__>

ah ok, just had a dev-related question about NDBM, anyone ?

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what's your ?, anyway

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<Miker__>

well, NDBM didn't recognize a lot of my albums. I fixed it in the code but wanted to know if the fix was ok

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what was the problem?

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<Miker__>

the problem was, the id3v2 tags were empty, and the id3v1 tags were correct, but NDBM took the id3v2 version, making all songs have the same name, so NDBM rejected them

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Ah - sounds like a good fix

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have you sent the patch to starkey?

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<Miker__>

yes I have, several weeks ago but received no reply. NDBM could really use a mailing list

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Ah

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Isn't starkey working furiously on the latest neuros gadget these days?

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<Miker__>

possibly, I saw him checking some flac-stuff into NDBM

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JoshMalone: wasn't he working on flac

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yeah - I think so :)

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Miker__: do you have your neuros handy ?

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there's neurosdbm-cvs@

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JoshMalone: that's for cvs notifications i think

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ah - okay

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<Miker__>

nerochiaro: euh, I could yes

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<Miker__>

JoshMalone: yes I know, I could of course commit it and wait for reaction :)

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LOL

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Miker__: if you could look into the Music folder and tell me how many subdirectories you have in there, i would be thankful

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also, how many gigabytes of data you have (on the whole hard disk)

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<Miker__>

nerochiaro: ok, one moment, I'm going to mount the thing

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thanks

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Miker__: isn't CVS write access only for developers of the project ?

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<Miker__>

nerochiaro: well yes, and I have access, but haven't done much development on NDBM so some peer-review is welcomed

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ah, ok. i didn't know you had access.

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<Miker__>

anyone else mounting the neuros on linux ?

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nope, win32 here

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mememememe :)

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<Miker__>

JoshMalone: do you have to unseat the brain to be able to mount the hard disk ?

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no - i have N1

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<Miker__>

JoshMalone: ok, just checking if that was the fault of the firmware or a general thing

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<Miker__>

nerochiaro: it's mounted, 17Gb

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and the number of items in the music dir ?

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not recursive

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<Miker__>

118

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ndbm too ?

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<Miker__>

I have many albums of the same artists. Yes I use NDBM if that's your question

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ok, thanks

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<Miker__>

nerochiaro: no thank you, I was too lazy to sync lately but you forced me to mount the neuros :)

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heh, glad to hear it :)

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yeah - I need to load the new Demovibes album; mount up!

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<Miker__>

JoshMalone: my rsync is warming up already!

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:)

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<Miker__>

what's your rsync command by the way ?

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i'm in the process of converting several albums i have in APE to FLAC, then convert them to MP3 or OGG and ship them to the neuros. don't tell me it's painful. i know

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<Miker__>

nerochiaro: ouch, but the step from flac to ogg can be automated so that's ok I guess. I ripped to wav and then let a script convert it to flac and ogg

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<Miker__>

JoshMalone: mine is 'rsync -aP --stats /mnt/usbstick/backup/music /mnt/music/' but sometimes it updates stuff which is the same, don't know why

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Miker__: yeah - I have that problem, too

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oh well

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<Miker__>

joshmalone:glad I'm not alone :)

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Miker__: yes, it's the APE->FLAC that's painful. especially given the size of the files

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rsync ain't perfect, but it gets the job done

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<Miker__>

joshmalone:it's a fairly obvious bug, or maybe it's user error ?

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I get the feeling it's just rsync's algorithm vs. NDBM's syncing vs. neuros filesystem implementation

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updating MAC-times, etc.

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<Miker__>

nerochiaro: but afterwards you will be well prepared to convert flac to wav(e?)pack :)

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<Miker__>

JoshMalone: I also have it between my samba mounted mp3 archive and my external USB hard disk

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<Miker__>

(yes I keep 3 copies)

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Miker__: why am i supposed to want to do that ?

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<Miker__>

nerochiaro: just kidding, a few days ago wavpack was on this list, someone said it would be easy to implement on the neuros

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when s3m/xm/it support gets to the Neuros, I'll care :)

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otherwise - I'm fine btwn mp3 and ogg

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<Miker__>

hmm...nothing rings a bell :)

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oldskool tracker formats (a.la. midi)

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<Miker__>

heh, the neuros' processor should be able to handle it :)

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oh - mod, too

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<Miker__>

mod I know, phew

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:)

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<Miker__>

faultless ogg playback would be nice too, since a lot of my albums are ing ogg...it's close but not quite there

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<Miker__>

gotta go, bye all

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Miker__: ah, ok. i didn't get the wavpac joke at first :). but regardless, FLAC to me seems to be more future-proof of the lossless formats, and the best compromise between spae saving and features

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bye

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l8r

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it's funny - I've gotten so oldskool I've turned off interpolation on all my replayers

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JoshMalone: man, you should talk to deepB. he seems to be fond of that stuff too, IIRC

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cool :)

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demos are cool, but the music is not so ho, IMHO