Log from #neuros IRC channel

<noiz>

and the other thing i wonder is if the person that made the first comment really knew it was april fools or if he forget (and i think its the first)

<Yono>

hey there chreekat

<noiz>

hey chreekat

howdy.

Hey

...is for horses, but grass is much cheaper...

I loaded the upside-down fw; it's great

:-D

upside down fw?

JoshMalone (I believe) asked for a flipped display, and DeepB did it

FWIW: My neuros only charges when it's on end upside down.

I'm _not_ kidding.

heh

I think something went haywire in the power jack and I'm loathe to send it in.

It's out of warranty now. I wish I could just find the part number for the jack and solder on a new one.

Unless it's not the jack.

[03:16]

cool on the upside down fw.

[03:16]

Any particular reason Josh wanted it?

[03:16]

personal preference

Or just for looks?

He'd rather hold it that way

Me, I think

er

.. I'm just doing it for looks. :)

That puts the preset buttons on the "correct" side.

[03:18]

I thought it would be nice, but really it works both ways for me. I'll keep the upside-down version to show off

[03:18]

Actually, I'd like it if N3 was in PSP format.

[03:19]

A landscape device rather than portrait.

[03:20]

BTW: has anybody done more work on a "car mode"? I know the Garbage build had some stuff in it, but I've been thinking of some other enhancements - like having the display backlight come on during the transitions between songs.

I guess i don't really have a preference for the display

<Yono>

not that I know of

For when you don't have the power plugged in like I have to do now that my power jack is flaky.

last pic from the Rovers, water found on Mars:

neato

I've been working 60-80 hour weeks lately - so I haven't been able to even keep up with the loglibrary stuff.. Any developments on the TI GCC port?

[03:22]

I'm still working on it :)

[03:22]

Nothing exciting has happened, however

[03:23]

<Yono>

I think GarBage likes April Fool's day as much as us Americans :)

[03:24]

I'm writing the Target Macros right now, which is basically like a Q&A session with Gcc

[03:24]

* chreekat didn't actually follow GarBage's link. :-P

[03:25]

Gcc asks, "which registers can be used as base registers for a certain type of addressing?"

[03:25]

And I respond by writing the macro

<Yono>

chreekat: where's the upside-down firmware at?

very interesting... I haven't done any compiler work since college, and that was definitely not how code generators were done then.

chreekat: what's your gcc codebase? 3.4? 4.0?

But that's very cool.

[03:27]

#define RGENO_OK_FOR_BASE_P (n) (AUX_REG_P (n) || AUX_REG_P ((unsigned)reg_renumber[n] ))

[03:27]

I mostly don't know what I'm doing. I steal stuff from other ports.

[03:28]

Yeah, the "certain type of addressing" part of the question would have me guessing... What KIND of addressing?

[03:28]

Hopefully the context provided by earlier messages would help answer that one.

[03:29]

The compiler work you probably did was front-end stuff. Apparently that's where the majority of pedagogical energy has bent spent on compilers

[03:29]

I'm working with 3.4.3

Actually we started with a pre-written lexical analyzer - we had to do the rest - in a 10 week course.

Of course LEARNING about compiler construction was done in that 10 weeks too.

The back-end is all hardware theory.

Heh, fun

Only one person finished so I didn't feel so bad.

[03:31]

Of course, all the good stuff with optimization, etc., you NEVER learn in college.

[03:32]

GarBage: I should have quoted your name when I said this: I'm using 3.4.3

[03:32]

chreekat: ok, got it

[03:33]

chreekat: If I were curious and wanted to learn more about what you've done so far, how would I get a look at it?

[03:33]

There's a book I should probably read that talks about how compilers need to change to support DSPs

[03:33]

ghavenga: I have a quasi-formal report that I could mail you, and I could also mail you the main file I've worked on.

[03:34]

That reminds me; I wanted to make that report available to everybody.

[03:34]

Anyone recommend a way of doing that? Is there some way to upload files to the wiki or something?

[03:34]

Depends on how much stuff written in "C" is DSP'ish stuff. Otherwise, just stick to RISC techniques and try to get GCC to use "cheap" (clock cycle wise) instructions.

[03:35]

chreekat: yep, you can actually upload stuff

[03:35]

chreekat: poke me if the uploading size limit bothers you

[03:35]

Yeah, the wiki is a great resource for that.

[03:37]

lol, open.neurosaudio.com

[03:37]

nyuknyuknyuk

[03:38]

gr, I can never remember the wiki address, nor find links

neuros-firmware.sourceforge.net

thanks

there's a link on OdNA

and on this channel topic, also

[03:40]

well would you look at that

heya folks.

hi paul

hows things Gar?

nothing important, fighting a bit with qemu CVS

[03:42]

heh, call me a zealot but...

[03:42]

when will people learn about Subversion!

* pwarren listening to Frances The Mute from the Mars Volta. Excellent.

oh, the odds are not in the versioning sytem, but in the code itself at this moment

* Yono ist listening to Morrissey - Irish Blood, English Heart "You Are The Quarry"

heh, well, subversion doesn't correct code for you. (Maybe in the next release :o)

[03:44]

i think i pulled out a quite unstable snapshot

[03:45]

Apparently I can't remember my password for the wiki. Is there a way to have it reset, or something?

yep, there is one, but it won't work... mail stuff is disabled

heh

what's your wikiname?

I vaguely remember making up a new password for this wiki, instead of going with my default for this kinda thing

BryanRichter

[03:47]

hmm, qemu looks like fun, what you trying todo with it?

[03:48]

trying to run some ARM code on a i386

[03:48]

fun.

I've tried to get the ARM cross-compilers to work, no luck so far.

We're using Subversion where I work. I think it's great.

ghavenga: Me too!

that mades three of us ;)

[03:50]

oh man, how i hate sf sometimes...

[03:50]

heh.

[03:50]

Yeah, it can be a pain. However, somehow the 1394 linux guys are combining SF and Subversion.

[03:52]

Man, I'm 97000 frames into a 100000 frame test - I wish this camera would hurry up and finish so I can go home.

[03:54]

GarBage: what kind of ARM code (if you can say)? Just curious...

[03:55]

anyone feel like debugging my website?? pwarren.homelinux.org

[03:55]

there's something wrong with the CSS :o(

[03:57]

Bummer - I'm not that sophisticated on my site.

[03:57]

Wish I could be more help - although I went there and your site looks nice to me.

[04:01]

<NC-17>

whats wrong with it pwarren?

[04:02]

<NC-17>

i have some old friends of mine going to anu...

[04:03]

ghavenga: some bits for a PrismGT card firmware

[04:04]

GarBage: sounds like fun!

[04:04]

have a go at it in IE (if you can)

[04:04]

pwarren: add a bgcolor, please

[04:05]

<NC-17>

oh i c

[04:05]

I guess I'm partial to white backgrounds - I think it looks clean that way.

[04:05]

GarBage: <body bgcolor="FFFFFF"> it's in there (on the front page anyway)

[04:06]

try background: #FFF; instead on the #body part of the CSS rules

[04:07]

for some reason, firefox doesn't show me any bg color

[04:08]

changed.

[04:09]

you forgot to include the BODY tag

[04:09]

Ok, there, I added my report to the Documentation page

Yeah, 100000 frames complete. Now I get to examine the results... Great Joy and Rapture.

<NC-17>

fixed it

<NC-17>

change #ramble to relative positioning

<NC-17>

then give it a margin-top: or 9px;

[04:11]

there's no <BODY> ...

err.. <body>

<NC-17>

remove top: 100px;

since it is xhtml

<NC-17>

i meant margin-top: 9px;

<NC-17>

yes change <div id="body"> just to <body>

[04:13]

<NC-17>

then change #body to just body in the css

[04:14]

<NC-17>

well the 9px worked nice in ie, but you'll have to mess with it from here. is was just the absolute positioning messing it up

[04:14]

cool. Thanks heaps guys.

[04:14]

<NC-17>

np

<NC-17>

i like my css shenanigans on www.ratednc-17.com

it's now hosted from my house!

<NC-17>

i also love my toggle css and edit css bookmarklets in firefox :)