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noiz, I'll try it out when I get a chance. i did switch from Opera to Firefox recently because it works better, so i'm not opposed to change if it makes sense.

[00:57]

no reason not to...

[00:58]

<noiz>

i think sorune is at least just better for carrying around on your neuros since it should work on any windows machine

[00:58]

yeah, that's definitely an important point.

[00:58]

<Yono>

Chawn: you should download the tab extensions

[00:59]

<Yono>

noiz: I have to disagree with you there

[00:59]

have you guys seen this? ;-)

[00:59]

www.extremetech.com

[00:59]

<Yono>

one version of NDBM works on all o/ses

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<noiz>

but not as many people have a non-windows machine

[01:00]

<noiz>

*but not many

[01:00]

so yono, do you need Java installed on the PC to run the .jar? i think so...

[01:01]

<Yono>

Chawn420: how many people don't have java?

[01:01]

<noiz>

i know a lot of my friends dont

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<Yono>

oh well, it doesn't really matter, I'm going to keep using both until one crushes the other

[01:02]

Chawn420: yes, you need the java runtime environment to run .jar files

[01:03]

probably most do...but if sorune doesn't require any other installation, that's nice to have as a backup just-in-case.

[01:06]

nice disclaimer ;-): Bugs do exist in Sorune and may be harmful to your computer and/or your Neuros. Please read the LICENSE carefully before using Sorune.

[01:07]

<noiz>

you can never be too careful

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yup. are you D?

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or just a friend...?

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<noiz>

nope

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<noiz>

my name is Kevin

[01:08]

<noiz>

we have the both last name which is a coincidence

[01:08]

hi Kevin, I'm Shawn.

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<noiz>

Yono: and you can use the .exe version on Linux! - sorune.com

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<Yono>

lol, congrats noiz ;)

[01:09]

I guess I'll have to install this later after looking at the readme. gotta get outta here to go watch the Sox - Yankees game! GO SOX!

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<noiz>

:)

[01:09]

<Yono>

I'd be more impressed if you got NSM running under Wine

[01:10]

<noiz>

stupid .net framework...

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c u guys later.

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We are the champions...we are the champions...of the world. sorry ;-)

[01:12]

<noiz>

i like the red sox too

[01:14]

the game's on ESPN. David Wells vs. Randy Johnson.

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hmm

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still no shipping confirmation

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<noiz>

same here, i hope i get something soon too

[01:50]

<noiz>

have you even heard from support yet?

[01:56]

didn't ask neuros support, but the only word I got was from keith himself, and that was in here, and he said the neuros people had a computer problem

[01:56]

not to mention on the NA forum I see some people who ordered in february still didn't get theirs

[01:57]

mbishop: I thought you had a neuros?

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no?

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I just ordered it like 5 days ago

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oh, lol

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ben told me you go like 3 defective units in a row SmrtJustin

[02:06]

mbishop: yep

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man that sucks

[02:06]

They replaced the brain, then the brain and the HD

[02:06]

yes it does.

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I hope I dont have any problems once its out of warranty, which it probably is by now

[02:07]

My 3rd came w/ bad firmware

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but I finally got it working

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if it takes a month to get mine like it does for other people it better not have anything wrong with it :/

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well they've changed quality control now

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trying to get my lg monitor replaced -

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hows that going, lol?

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bad heh

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dead pixels?

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their website is such crap, found a number for a 'SWAP' program for lcd monitors but once you call the 800 number and pick repair they tell you their hours are mon-friday

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nah, just a really weird problem

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oh

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I've had this monitor for months, then one day it started getting what looked like interference, but I've taken out all possible variables

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adn the lines still show up

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odd

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so it's narrowed down to the monitor

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I thought LG was supposed to make good LCDs

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it's not really interference though, it's more like...it's trying to darken itself?

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like it has these lines and then sometimes the top of the screen is darker and then the lines move down to another section, but then they go back up

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it's weird

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it did it for a while, then worked fine for a month or so, and then jsut started again

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I moved it all around the house, different outlets, nothing helps

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hmm

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can you exchange it for another one at where you bought it?

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no, bought it from newegg, they dont' repair/replace monitors

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but on the lg site it seems for lcd monitors they have a 'swap' program, guess they just take yours give you a new one and refurbish and resell the old one

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at least they have a good warrenty system, 3 years labor and parts, and an extra 3 years on backlights

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yeah, that is pretty good

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Is geting the dell 2405FPW

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<Yono>

AmericanTechpush: ogg is gapless on the neuros already, right?

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There is no gapless support

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<Yono>

hmm, thats interesting

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all my collection is ogg

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<Yono>

thats interesting

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<Yono>

especially since the info to make it gapless is all in the tag

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<Yono>

this is the way that the karma does it: 64.233.167.104

[04:26]

it shouldn't be too hard to implement gapless support, thinking about it...

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you'd need to rewrite the play queueing code to pass all of the play queue to the decode routine,

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<noiz>

srobertson: go right ahead...i wouldnt mind having gapless support :)

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then just have the DECODE_ functions being the callbacks passed to the CODEC_ functions, with a small buffer in between, say 25msec.

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Note that I'm talking theory, and practical application is miles above my head at this point.

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But I'll give it a whirl, some epoch.

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Huh.

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<noiz>

srobertson: just wondering, how long have you had your neuros?

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Since May. Why?

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(NI; bought it on a budget as the NIIs were being phased in)

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<noiz>

just wondering if you were a developer that got a neuros partly to do some hacking

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no, I'm a kid who's learned too many programming languages and never done anything particularly useful with that

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so I really want to start hacking, and since I'm using my neuros now almost three hours a day, that seemed like a good place to start

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thinking about it, tho, messing around with an entire firmware-based OS on DSP isn't the most friendly of entry points...

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<noiz>

yeah, and its even harder without a debugger

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...crap. I am a masochist.

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<noiz>

but you should still try

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Oh, yeah, I am. I generated the doxy for garbage's branch, and I'm now trying to make sense of it all.

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It's going to be a multi-month ADVENTURE

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<noiz>

sweet, they just released the neutris and file browser source code!

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where?

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does that mean they've worked it out with TI?

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<noiz>

those parts are non-TI

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<noiz>

so its okay

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<noiz>

they released it on the neuros-firmware-discussion mailing list

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wherezzat?

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<noiz>

neuros-firmware.sf.net

thanks.

<noiz>

<noiz>

is right where it is

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<noiz>

hey JoeBorn

H

Hi Joe

Hi Sean

night all

night, hope you enjoyued the lively discussion

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lol, ofcoarse I did, those "Hi"s keep me on the edge of my seat, lol

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We need more late night people here

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srobertson: the doxygen docs were generated already a long time ago

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srobertson: you'll get them from some of the links found here: neuros-firmware.sourceforge.net

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or early moring people for those across the pond

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GarBage, question

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answer: forty-two

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If it was only that easy..

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Is there some documentation on the format of the Neuros200.cmd file.

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you bet, on the TI docs

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I'm having some linker problems and I believe the issue is in the cmd file.

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it's the linker command file, init?

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Yes, I believe so

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ok, surf to the %TI_DIR%/docs/hlp

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open this one cc_c54xcgt.hlp

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and take a peek at the linker section

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you'll find there pretty much everything you'll need to deal with that bloody file

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Gracias

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np, you're welcome

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I added some code and the linker can't find it. :P

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ah, one tip, that file has special comments, in order to make able to be parsed twice

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both in LOAD and in NOLOAD mode

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take care with those

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OK, thanks

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The "FLASHING" and "EMULATION" stuff

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are you using plain vanilla 2.26 as the base for your new stuff?

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No, I'm using HEAD on CVS

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which is the very same as 2.26

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Almost

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anyone had a look at mgaos UI code yet?

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looks like fun to merge into GarbageBranch.

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* pwarren must focus on 'Top Down Parsing of Regular Expression Grammars' not Neuros Firmware :o(

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back later.

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<noiz>

hey zion

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<zion>

hola

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<zion>

how goes it?

[20:58]

<noiz>

youre my name spelled backwards :)

[20:58]

<zion>

heh... so it is

[20:58]

<noiz>

doin pretty good

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<zion>

trying out positron ... its broken

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<noiz>

yeah, its pretty old

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<noiz>

sorune or ndbm are a lot better

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<zion>

well... I was hoping for something without a gui

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<noiz>

you can use both through the shell

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<noiz>

'sorune --rebuild' rebuilds the database

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<noiz>

sorune.com/faq.php has all of the sorune command line options

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<zion>

well, I had 2 goals with positron (neither of them practical)

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<zion>

1. learn python

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<zion>

2. see if I could get that bounty

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<noiz>

i dunno if #2 could work since GarBage already has a gamma version of it

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<noiz>

of sorune

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<zion>

oh really? cool

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<zion>

url?

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<noiz>

neuros-firmware.sourceforge.net

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<zion>

right now I am using bashpodder.shell ... it got old really quick

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<noiz>

at the bottom of that page

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<zion>

whats a 7z file?

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<noiz>

www.7-zip.org

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* zion wonders if its in gentoo

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<noiz>

packages.gentoo.org

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<zion>

wow... you are better than google :)

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<noiz>

its on their download page

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<noiz>

zion: do you do a lot of podcasting?

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<zion>

I listen to a lot

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<zion>

ack! its an exe

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<noiz>

i think sorune works under wine

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<noiz>

you could try that

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<zion>

ummmm.... ick

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<noiz>

yeah, i wonder why he didnt include sources, maybe he didnt want others stealing his work

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<zion>

maybe

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hi there, have anyone actually tried that stuff?

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<zion>

GarBage: I wanted to, but I don't have win32

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there's only a couple of things to finish...

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<zion>

noiz: in answer to your podcast thing: I have 34GB of podcasts on my system

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<noiz>

wow

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<noiz>

and that version of sorune is in espanol!

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<zion>

GarBage: I was going to hack podcast support into positron.. until I discovered it didn't work

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k, as a preliminary version, there's no much documentation on that build, but you'll need to set development >= 2 in the sorune config file for it to work

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actually, i can't try it myself, because of my broken N

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<noiz>

luckily i have the flash backpack too so i can do a little testing

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<noiz>

hey Yono

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<Yono>

hey noiz

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<Yono>

hey GarBage

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<noiz>

GarBage: are you going to be incorporating neutris and the file browser in your next binary?

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those has been already merged on my working copy

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hi Yono

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need to rework the makefile and the linker command file, though

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<Yono>

ah, so you have a copy of the new 2.28 stuff then GarBage?

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yep, i grabbed it yesterday

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<Yono>

becuase if so then I can stop bugging joe about releasing it to the devs :)

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<Yono>

this is a pretty interesting article on gapless and the karma, for anyone who cares: www.pretentiousname.com

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Yono: they posted that bits yesterday on the mailing list

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<noiz>

nuts, doesnt look good for the sorune audioscrobbler plugin, "Russ: I discussed it, and basically the concensus was, even though we'd like to do it, it'd provide an easy enough way to get around the spam filter. We'll reconsider it for 1.2 though."

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<Yono>

I wonder why the xiph people never implemented gapless for ogg using the tags...

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i also talked to Russ from AS on the matter, about a month ago

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they were not willing to allow a new plugin to bypass it then

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<Yono>

that sucks

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<noiz>

yeah it does

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<Yono>

hey GarBage, the neuros has the capacity to have gapless for files with the new tags, right?

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nope

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it's not a matter of tagging

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it depends on the buffer/streaming code and structures for audio treatment

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<Yono>

really? from what I've read, the ogg encoder adds a tag that tells how much of it is song and not silence

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<Yono>

however, the karma has a silence-buffer filter in addition to that

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we'll need to have an intermediate playing buffer in order to make gapless work

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right now, the stream is being created/destroyed on the transition between files

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<Yono>

ah, I see

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so, no gapless can be achieved

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<Yono>

quite a large re-writing to do for that

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I'd like to know how much space the TI compiler allocates for the whole range of types. Would somebody be able to check that for me?

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I think it'll be 16 bits for most of them

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having an intermediate buffer will also help a lot in other areas, such as cue support, fading transitions, automatic gain/clipping control, etc...

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Hm, I guess that might be in a doc somewhere.

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chreekat: ??

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<Koron>

has anyone else noticed that the stock 2.28 firmware doesn't seem to load up songs in advance?

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<Koron>

it seems that most of the time if I hit next track it has to spin up the hdd and read it into memory

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<Yono>

you really think that the DSP could handle crossfading through a rewriteup of the firmware?

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By 'type' I mean char, int, short, double, float, etc.

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Yono: yep, i think so

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<Yono>

hmm, interesting

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chreekat: have no exact idea, bot most types are indeed 16 bits

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<Yono>

by the way, did you copy over the synclog menu to the settings? (ui.h)

[21:49]

Yono: what?

[21:49]

GarBage: Thanks.

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<Yono>

nevermind, I'll just leave it

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Classtime; ciao

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later, chreekat

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Yono: could you get in touch with mgao at this moment?

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<Yono>

no, sorry, joe appears to be AFK

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<Yono>

actually, nvm, he just got back

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ok, i posted a file request on the mailing list

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<Yono>

what file, btw?

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<Yono>

I'm currently merging the new stuff as I speak

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there are some missing declarations

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and i guess it's menu.h

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<Yono>

hmm, whats this "case TRECANIMATION" stuff in UI_PSF_Record?

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on my branch, it's the timer trigger

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<zion>

cool... just got positron working

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<Yono>

congrats

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is positron actually maintained?

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<zion>

it just doesn't like the unidedhisi db

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<zion>

just commented out that code and it was happy

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<zion>

if not I might pick it up

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<zion>

its small, light and gui free

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you can use sorune on the command line

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the last changelog entry for positron is april 1 2004

[22:27]

hehe

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so it shouldn't even support album -> artist sorting

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no good, that

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<zion>

well, I also want to learn python

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you could start by adding artist -> album support to positron then ;)

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if you get anybody to switch from soroune to positron, you get an A :P

[22:28]

<Yono>

oh no!

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<Yono>

noiz might have to convert faster!

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<Yono>

haha, but why would you rather use positron than sorune?

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<noiz>

i guess i will start my crusade early :)

[22:29]

<Yono>

more firmiliar with python than perl?

[22:31]

<noiz>

zion: if you made it, i would try it, and if it was fast as or faster than sorune i would consider using it

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<zion>

what do you mean artist->album ?

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<Yono>

turn on ur neuros

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<Yono>

go to album

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<Yono>

it will give you the option to view albums or artists and then albums by the artist

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<zion>

ummm I have the original neuros if that matters

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<Yono>

its the fw that matters

[22:33]

<zion>

ok... I have the original fw too

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<Yono>

oh

[22:34]

<Yono>

go update it then

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<zion>

I am just so excited that it hasn't died on me in 2months I am scared to tough

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<Yono>

lol

[22:34]

<zion>

touch it

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<Yono>

2.28 is stable

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<zion>

have 2.21

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<zion>

ok... so now I need to figure out all the db crap

[22:35]

<zion>

that stuff looks confusing as hell

[22:35]

<Yono>

ouch

[22:35]

<Yono>

2.21 was from quite a long time ago

[22:36]

<noiz>

look at some of these docs - neuros-firmware.sourceforge.net

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<zion>

aaah cool stuff

[22:37]

<noiz>

actually, ive heard this one is one of the better docs - www.xiph.org

[22:37]

<noiz>

from xiph too

[22:37]

<zion>

bummer, you need win32 to compile firmware

[22:38]

<Yono>

yep

[22:38]

<Yono>

but thats only until chreekat finishes

[22:38]

<zion>

oh? whats chreekat working on?

[22:38]

<Yono>

gcc stuff

[22:39]

<zion>

nice... url?

[22:41]

<noiz>

i dont think chreekat is going to be finishing any time soon

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<noiz>

unless he can get some help

[22:42]

<zion>

well, I know quite a few languages

[22:42]

<zion>

have no free time... but I can poke things

[22:44]

* Yono pokes zoin

[22:44]

* Yono also pokes zion

[22:51]

<zion>

ok. so I should take the plunge and upgrade my fw

[22:51]

<zion>

2.28 is stable?

[22:51]

<Yono>

yep

[22:52]

* zion must be blind

[22:52]

<zion>

I only see 2.25

[22:55]

<Yono>

2.25 kills what you are using now anyway :)

[22:55]

<Yono>

www.neurosaudio.com

[23:09]

<zion>

tetris!

[23:09]

<Koron>

no, no, no