[03:31]	<John_Cheese>	Hey can someone please help me? I can't get my neuros to start. I've tried with it plugged in/not plugged in with the lock on/off and while holding down and 1+5 and play, but it won't start.
[03:33]	<iswm>	John_Cheese, have you tried re-seating the brain?
[03:33]	<John_Cheese>	How do you mean?
[03:34]	<John_Cheese>	oh yes i have tried
[03:34]	<iswm>	Do you get the charging screen when it's plugged in?
[03:34]	<John_Cheese>	nope
[03:35]	<John_Cheese>	nothing shows up when it's plugged in
[03:36]	<Yono>	did it ever work?
[03:36]	<iswm>	Has it been this way right out of the box, or did it stop working later on?
[03:37]	<John_Cheese>	yes, it worked out of the box. it stopped working the night i installed the garbage firmware and left it charging overnight.
[03:37]	<Yono>	haha, silly u
[03:37]	<Yono>	take out the brain
[03:37]	<Yono>	charge all night
[03:37]	<Yono>	just the backpack
[03:37]	<John_Cheese>	seriously? awesome.
[03:38]	<Yono>	try to connect it (USB) in the morning without the brain
[03:38]	<Yono>	|| if it doesn't work, when you send it in, don't tell them that you loaded GarBage fw ;)
[03:39]	<John_Cheese>	good idea. is a light supposed to come on near the bottom when it's plugged in? because i don't see it.
[03:39]	<John_Cheese>	just barely
[03:39]	<Yono>	yeah, the Gar doesn't always shut down like its supposed to
[03:39]	<Yono>	the battery might have just worn itself out
[03:40]	<John_Cheese>	great. alright, so I'll leave just the hard drive charging all night, then in the morning put the brain back on and connect via USB?
[03:40]	<Yono>	try USB without brain first, just in case its ur brain thats acting funny
[03:41]	<Yono>	if it works without brain, you can do it with brain
[03:41]	<John_Cheese>	oh ok, so it will show up on my computer when the brain is detached?
[03:41]	<Yono>	yep
[03:42]	<John_Cheese>	ok sounds good. should I try to connect it right now, or should i wait until morning?
[03:42]	<Yono>	you could try now
[03:42]	<John_Cheese>	ok
[03:42]	<Yono>	but if the battery's dead, it probably won't do much
[03:43]	<Yono>	yeah, the garbage firmware is cool, but I've had some funny stuff happen with shutting down
[03:43]	<John_Cheese>	yeah, it's not showing up on my computer, but I'm fairly certain that it's dead.
[03:44]	<John_Cheese>	the little orange light is just barely flickering
[03:44]	<Yono>	yeah, most likely battery then
[03:44]	<Yono>	the USB port slightly charges the backpack if its powered (most are)
[03:45]	<John_Cheese>	alright. I'll let it charge, and if it still doesn't work or it does something strange I'll be back tomorrow. thanks for all the help!
[03:45]	<Yono>	no problem
[03:45]	<Yono>	if I'm not here, I read the logs
[17:27]	<pitt22>	hello
[21:15]	<Stonent>	I just loaded the latest garbage firmware on my 20gb 1.0 unit (to fix the issue with it always thinking its charging because of a bad connector) and noticed that it crashes when looking throught he "Xtra" stuff when I select car mode.
[21:15]	<Stonent>	It gives me a 0x0801 error
[21:15]	<Stonent>	I know car-mode won't work with a bad connector but since it was a crash I thought I'd report it.
[21:19]	<Stonent>	I did a NAND format as well as was recommended before reporting a bug. The error can be reproduced each time I select "car mode"