Log from #neuros IRC channel

It should be pretty easy to ad some.

You should be able to actually execute any commands.

*shouldn't

<Yono>

and there's quit

<Yono>

(18:52:56) loglibrarybot_te: You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes.

<Yono>

haha, how kind!

hehehe

<noiz>

is there a self-destruct command for if he starts acting like a punk?

sweet

quit, I guess

<Yono>

thats only for u gernika

<noiz>

but self-destruct sounds sooo much cooler

[00:54]

<noiz>

and if he counted down before he left :)

[00:54]

What do you mean? This bot is perfect. It will never be a punk.

[00:54]

<noiz>

we'll see how perfect it is, but a self-destruct button woulld still be cool

[00:55]

<Yono>

lol

[00:55]

hahah, well if you guys want to run your own bot for this channel you can do that. I can send you the code for the plugin. It is Supybot.

[00:56]

All you need from me is a username, channelname, and password.

[00:56]

<noiz>

but this means that you are going to be putting loglibrarybot back into all the channels, right?

Well, I'm testing now. So I think I'll start small and work up.

<noiz>

cuz its pretty lonely in #sorune without him

<noiz>

man, im gonna opt him when he comes in

<Yono>

;)

[00:58]

damn it is lonely in there

[00:58]

<noiz>

yep

[01:28]

<Yono>

the bots been punkd

what do you mean?

<Yono>

its already left once :)

<Yono>

unless u wanted it to leave

Yeah I told it to so there :P

[01:30]

<Yono>

in which case

[01:30]

* Yono has been punkd!

[01:32]

heh

[01:32]

Yono IS a punk

[01:33]

<Yono>

haha, busted

[03:22]

<GSB-Evan>

hey there

[03:22]

<GSB-Evan>

did Joe talk to you guys about the University of Chicago group he is working with?

<noiz>

yeah, kinda

<noiz>

are you one of the researchers?

<GSB-Evan>

yes

<GSB-Evan>

my team asked me to come talk to you guys

<GSB-Evan>

pick your brains a bit :)

<noiz>

k

<GSB-Evan>

so can I fire a few questions away?

<noiz>

go ahead

<GSB-Evan>

ok so basically what Joe has asked us to do

<GSB-Evan>

is try and get a feel for how big the Open Source community is

<GSB-Evan>

in terms of dollars

<GSB-Evan>

i.e. can Neuros generate a steady revenue stream by targeting the Open Source community

<noiz>

k

<GSB-Evan>

so one of the challenges we're facing is simply sizing the market

<GSB-Evan>

do y'all have any advice as to how we can get some basic data on the number of Open Source geeks out there?

[03:27]

<noiz>

well, someone had suggested thinkgeek.com before

[03:27]

<GSB-Evan>

ok - i've been there. good.

<noiz>

what might be really good is if you try and post this question on slashdot.org where all the geeks are

<noiz>

that would give you a ton of info

<GSB-Evan>

ok

<GSB-Evan>

i have a bunch of friends who live on slashdot

<GSB-Evan>

maybe i can get them to help out with that

<GSB-Evan>

great thank you

<GSB-Evan>

any other suggestions?

<GSB-Evan>

so incidentally - i assume if you're on this channel you own a Neuros?

<noiz>

yeah, most of us do, or are about to get one

<GSB-Evan>

ok cool

<GSB-Evan>

so, did you get yours before or after the source was released?

[03:30]

<GSB-Evan>

in other words - did the open source nature of the product influence your purchasing decision?

[03:31]

<noiz>

i got mine before they came out with usb2 backpacks

[03:31]

<GSB-Evan>

oh ok

[03:31]

<GSB-Evan>

have you done any hacking around with the Neuros or do you pretty much just use it as is?

<noiz>

im just learning how to program, so i havnt done any hacking, mainly DeepB has done most of the hacking

<noiz>

hey Yono

<Yono>

hey noiz

<Yono>

the log is all screwy with times

<noiz>

yeah, loglibrarybot is a punk

<noiz>

:)

<Yono>

hi GSB-Evan

<GSB-Evan>

ok so have you used DeepB's hacks, or anybody else's for that matter?

<GSB-Evan>

hi Yono

<noiz>

yeah, im using the audioscrobbler firmware right now

<Yono>

thats a yes ;)

<GSB-Evan>

ok - help em out, what exactly does that do?

<Yono>

it logs the songs you play to an online database

<GSB-Evan>

i haven't had a chance to peruse the various hacks

<GSB-Evan>

oh ok cool

<GSB-Evan>

so why did you guys buy the Neuros, as opposed to one of the other products out there

<GSB-Evan>

(iPod comes to mind)

<noiz>

cheaper

<Yono>

I hadn't heard of the iPod too much back in 2002

<noiz>

and more features

<Yono>

it was much more expensive actually, but I wanted the myfi

<GSB-Evan>

ok

<GSB-Evan>

do you feel that the ability to hack around with it, even if it means using somebody else's hacks rather than rolling your own, is a big plus?

<noiz>

yeah

<GSB-Evan>

i mean the iPod is a pretty closed architecture

<noiz>

unlimited capabilities kinda

<Yono>

I didn't know about it at the time of purchase

<GSB-Evan>

ok

<GSB-Evan>

so let's fast forward here another year or two

<GSB-Evan>

let's pretend you have to buy a new MP3 player

<GSB-Evan>

(or whatever the format is if MP3 is obsolete by then)

<Yono>

ok

<GSB-Evan>

so what would be the key factors influencing your decision?

<GSB-Evan>

price - i assume

<GSB-Evan>

what else

<GSB-Evan>

storage capacity?

<Yono>

MyFi

<GSB-Evan>

MyFi - ok good

<Yono>

I really love that thing

<Yono>

noiz?

<noiz>

myfi

<noiz>

hey derobert

[03:38]

<Yono>

derobert: what is your # want in an MP3 player

[03:38]

<Yono>

no thinking allowed

[03:38]

<GSB-Evan>

lol

<noiz>

i also bought the neuros because i hated the way the ipod looked :)

<GSB-Evan>

what about the FM radio - do you care about actually receiving stations?

<Yono>

nah

<GSB-Evan>

ok that's good to know - so aesthetics is important

<GSB-Evan>

what about size - the Neuros is kinda big

<Yono>

the FM radio kinda sucks on the Neuros

<GSB-Evan>

does that matter?

<Yono>

if it does, we wouldn't have bought the neuros

<GSB-Evan>

ok what about somethign like XM or Sirius - would you care about that?

<Yono>

we'd have to close more source

<GSB-Evan>

well that's true I suppose :)

<Yono>

its been discussed though

<GSB-Evan>

ok

<GSB-Evan>

so given what's happened

<GSB-Evan>

with the iPod eating up marketshare like crazy

<noiz>

i dont like xm, they dont have enough classic rock

<GSB-Evan>

do you care at all about using something that is not within that standard

<GSB-Evan>

or do you in fact prefer to

<Yono>

the standard is boring

<GSB-Evan>

i thought you might say that :D

<Yono>

I've used iPod's before, bad sound quality

<Yono>

too quiet

<GSB-Evan>

too quiet?

<Yono>

yes

<GSB-Evan>

can you explain that

<noiz>

i feel like im going to break that little white thing

<Yono>

no, its literally too quiet

<Yono>

listen to Neuros on max volume, you'll hurt your ears

<GSB-Evan>

ok so the amplifier is wimpy

<GSB-Evan>

that's good

<GSB-Evan>

to know

<GSB-Evan>

what about support for other codecs

<noiz>

i like that a lot

<GSB-Evan>

for example the iTunes music store uses Apple's proprietary codec

<GSB-Evan>

do you care about that?

<noiz>

thats another reason i bought, for ogg support

<GSB-Evan>

or is that not iomprtant

<Yono>

well, we have ogg, Starkey has FLAC going, Joe wanted to use the WMA DRM

<GSB-Evan>

ok so ogg is important

<GSB-Evan>

interesting

<noiz>

not proprietary codecs :(

<GSB-Evan>

right

<GSB-Evan>

so you like the flexibility of choosing your codec

<Yono>

I think the more the merrier, we'll just disable the DRM in the firmware ;)

<GSB-Evan>

lol

<GSB-Evan>

are any of you guys using this thing to record bootlegs or concerts

<GSB-Evan>

i know some people are

<Yono>

not me, but supposedly it has amazing recording quality

<noiz>

i did once, but i couldnt get a line in feed, so the sound was crappy and i deleted it

<GSB-Evan>

ok

<Yono>

one of the neuros audio employees uses it to record concerts

<GSB-Evan>

yeah i think Joe mentioned that to us

<GSB-Evan>

ok here's a question from left field

<GSB-Evan>

let's say tomorrow a product like the Neuros shows up

<GSB-Evan>

but it's better in every way - ways that you guys care about

<GSB-Evan>

(like what we've been talking about)

<Yono>

right

<GSB-Evan>

but it's from Dell or some evil empire company

<GSB-Evan>

would you buy it?

<Yono>

i dunno

<GSB-Evan>

assuming the price is fair

<noiz>

i kinda like neuros too much, they are a good company to deal with, so that makes it better than the big corporations better inventions

<GSB-Evan>

ok

<noiz>

where else can you talk with the president of the company?

<Yono>

yeah, I agree

<GSB-Evan>

gotcha

<Yono>

exactly ;)

<GSB-Evan>

so that counts for a lot with you guys

<Yono>

oh yeah, we're spoiled

<GSB-Evan>

lol

<GSB-Evan>

ok so

<GSB-Evan>

going back to the Open Source issue

<noiz>

if you know that the company is never going to listen to you, then its a lot harder to want to buy the product

<GSB-Evan>

let's say you guys code up some pretty slick hacks

<GSB-Evan>

and they end up built into the next release of the product, and the company is technically profiting from your work

<GSB-Evan>

would that piss you off?

<Yono>

of course not

<noiz>

no

<GSB-Evan>

ok

<GSB-Evan>

because it's Neuros

<GSB-Evan>

or just generally

<Yono>

right

<noiz>

i would just be proud of my work

<GSB-Evan>

ok

<Yono>

if it were a big company, I might be slightly frustrated perhaps, but I'm sure that NA would give credit where credit is due

<noiz>

and knowing later someone else would contribute to make the product better would also make me not get angry

<GSB-Evan>

ok very interesting

<GSB-Evan>

so what do you think are the best avenues to reach guys like you

<GSB-Evan>

i mean where would you guys read about a product like Neuros?

<GSB-Evan>

shop for it, etc.?

<GSB-Evan>

aside from the usual suspects

<noiz>

through computer magazines is one

<noiz>

slashdot is always good

<GSB-Evan>

online or in print

<GSB-Evan>

right slashdot seems to be huge

<noiz>

i look at both online and printed things

<GSB-Evan>

ok

<Yono>

I first found it in a computer magazine

<GSB-Evan>

any mags in particuar

[03:51]

<Yono>

not really

[03:51]

<Yono>

popular science has a pretty large tech-audience

[03:51]

<GSB-Evan>

ok

<GSB-Evan>

anything a bit more niche?

<GSB-Evan>

i mean if we try to size the market using popular science, we'll get a gigundo number :)

<noiz>

might want to look at these people too - www.ostg.com

<GSB-Evan>

i mean back when i was programming we read Dr. Dobbs and stuff like that

<GSB-Evan>

but i have no idea what is big these days

<GSB-Evan>

ok cool thanks for the link

<noiz>

they own slashdot and thinkgeek i think

<GSB-Evan>

ah ok

<GSB-Evan>

so we could actually call them up and have a converation with them

<GSB-Evan>

possibly

<GSB-Evan>

very good - thank you

[03:55]

<noiz>

np

[03:55]

<GSB-Evan>

ok so what do you guys do for a living, if i can ask?

[03:56]

<GSB-Evan>

is it a tech related field?

[03:56]

<Yono>

high school :)

[03:56]

<Yono>

but i make a nice living off of it of course

<GSB-Evan>

gotcha

<GSB-Evan>

hey that's cool

<GSB-Evan>

when i was in high school all i did was stay up late and hack around

<GSB-Evan>

now i am a mature adult and it is very boring

<Yono>

well, lets see

<Yono>

chreekat is in a tech college and is working on the GCC target for the neuros

<GSB-Evan>

also when is this channel busiest - when is the best time to come in and have a conversation, do you think?

<GSB-Evan>

ok good

<noiz>

during meetings with Joe :)

<GSB-Evan>

and when are those?

<noiz>

and then at random times

<Yono>

morning usually

<noiz>

he posts the times on open.neurosaudio.com

<Yono>

most of the people here aren't from the US

<GSB-Evan>

ok i'll have him coordinate a time for one of us to be in on it

<GSB-Evan>

oh interesting

<GSB-Evan>

so we have a very intl' crowd huh?

<Yono>

very much so

<noiz>

or at least the developers are international

<GSB-Evan>

are you guys from the US?

<noiz>

yeah

<Yono>

yep, both east coast

<GSB-Evan>

gotcha

<noiz>

the others are probably asleep

<GSB-Evan>

ok

<noiz>

in europe

<GSB-Evan>

i'll have to ask Joe to show us some data in his int'l biz

<Yono>

won't be hard to show

<Yono>

not much going on with him

<Yono>

he has a reseller do it

<GSB-Evan>

ok but you're saying that a lot of the hacking is being done by int'l customers?

<noiz>

yeah

<GSB-Evan>

interesting

<Yono>

yes

<Yono>

here is the # of the reseller: 315-474-0652

<GSB-Evan>

ok gentlemen this has been very helpful

<GSB-Evan>

oh excellent

<GSB-Evan>

thanks!

<GSB-Evan>

i'm going to ask Joe to get us scheduled for one of his next chats here so we can do a bit more Q&A

<GSB-Evan>

and hopefully we can get Neuros shifted in high gear - which will be good for all of us

<Yono>

alright, cya around then

<noiz>

later

<GSB-Evan>

thanks to both of you

[04:02]

<noiz>

np

[04:04]

<noiz>

hey Jacamania

Hi guys, this is Jack. I'm a classmate of GSB_Evan's

Just listening in your discussion about the Open Source community.

<noiz>

k

Hi Evan.

<noiz>

brb

Nice meeting you guys.

[04:07]

<Yono>

anytime

[04:08]

<Yono>

you're bound to always find someone here, due to all our different time zones

<GSB-Evan>

hi Jack

<GSB-Evan>

i just made a transcript of this chat

<GSB-Evan>

i'll email it to the rest of our team

<GSB-Evan>

when did you log on?

<GSB-Evan>

oh just a minute ago

<GSB-Evan>

we had a nice chat here

<GSB-Evan>

i'll email you the transcript and then we can discuss and have another chat in the next few days

Cool, awesome, looks like you are a step ahead of me.