| [10:05] | <sprrit> | helo.. |
| [10:11] | <sprrit> | i was wondering if someone could help me |
| [10:16] | <sprrit> | I installed GarBage 2.26.16, and the 'neuros audio' menu appears to be in spanish. Did I get the wrong download or do I have to compile it myself? |
| [17:45] | <Yono> | anyone here know french? |
| [17:45] | <JoshMalone> | no |
| [17:45] | <JoshMalone> | :) |
| [17:46] | <Eagle_Fire> | je parle un peut du francais |
| [17:46] | <Eagle_Fire> | un petit peut |
| [17:46] | <Eagle_Fire> | comment je vous aider? |
| [17:46] | <Eagle_Fire> | *aiderai? |
| [17:48] | <Yono> | excellent |
| [17:48] | <Yono> | what is the difference between: Charger d'état. AND Charger une sauve d'état. |
| [17:49] | <Yono> | I know that Charger is launch/load, and sauve is save, but they are too similar to figure out from just that |
| [17:50] | <Eagle_Fire> | "launch state" versus "launch a saved state" |
| [17:50] | <Eagle_Fire> | ? |
| [17:53] | <Eagle_Fire> | what is this in context of? |
| [17:55] | <Yono> | emulator |
| [17:55] | <Yono> | thanks |
| [17:57] | <Eagle_Fire> | seems like one might start a new session and the other might load a saved one |
| [17:57] | <Yono> | right, thats what i figured, I just wanted a second opinion |
| [17:58] | <JoshMalone> | whatcha emulatin'? |
| [18:08] | <nerochiaro> | Yono: you should really ask erwan, he's our resident frenchman |
| [18:09] | <Yono> | thats alright, not that important |
| [18:09] | <nerochiaro> | yeah, i was just reminding you in case you didn't know |
| [18:09] | <Yono> | JoshMalone: wiki.gp2x.org |
| [18:09] | <Yono> | helping them organize their wiki |
| [18:10] | <nerochiaro> | you own one of these things ? |
| [18:10] | <Yono> | since sadly, their french version: wiki.gp2x.org has many more articles |
| [18:10] | <Yono> | no sir, I am broke |
| [18:10] | <Yono> | I wouldn't mind owning one some day |
| [18:11] | <JoshMalone> | oh yeah - they look nice; but broke here, too |
| [18:11] | <nerochiaro> | how much does they cost ? |
| [18:12] | <Yono> | www.gp2x.it |
| [18:13] | <Eagle_Fire> | wow, it has a joystick |
| [18:13] | <nerochiaro> | Yono: can't find a price there |
| [18:14] | <Eagle_Fire> | no hard drive... |
| [18:14] | <nerochiaro> | Yono: how much is in the states ? |
| [18:16] | <Yono> | about 200 |
| [18:17] | <nerochiaro> | they will mark up to more than 250 euro around here then |
| [18:18] | <Yono> | ouch |
| [18:18] | <nerochiaro> | for imported niche products, that's usually what happens. unless it's produced here in EU, so maybe it will get a little cheaper |
| [18:20] | <nerochiaro> | but seems to be Korean |
| [18:20] | <Yono> | yeah, Korean |
| [18:21] | <nerochiaro> | well, i'll keep an eye on that page. i'm just curious to see how much off the mark i was |
| [18:21] | <nerochiaro> | with the price estimate |
| [18:21] | <nerochiaro> | for now, i'm off to bed |
| [18:21] | <nerochiaro> | have a nice meeting |
| [18:21] | <Yono> | night |
| [19:13] | <NC-17> | i have a gp2x |
| [19:14] | <JoshMalone> | what do you do with it? |
| [19:14] | <NC-17> | watch movies on planes, play some emulated games, homebrew games. dont use it for audio much |
| [19:15] | <JoshMalone> | whats its storage? |
| [19:15] | <NC-17> | SD cards |
| [19:15] | <NC-17> | and 128mb NAND i think |
| [19:15] | <JoshMalone> | cool |
| [19:15] | <NC-17> | used for the OS and stuff |
| [19:16] | <NC-17> | i have 2x1gb A-data cards and a 2GB corsair SD card |
| [19:16] | <NC-17> | keeps things open |
| [19:16] | <NC-17> | sega emu is the best |
| [19:16] | <NC-17> | err master system and genesis |
| [19:16] | <NC-17> | snes is full speed no sound currently, some games playable with sound |
| [19:16] | <Yono> | have you tried Quake or Duke Nukem on it? |
| [19:17] | <NC-17> | some people play some crappy PSX games at low speed |
| [19:17] | <NC-17> | oh yeah |
| [19:17] | <NC-17> | Quake is great |
| [19:17] | <NC-17> | havent tried duke |
| [19:17] | <NC-17> | there's a neo geo emu, gameboy color... errr lots of emus :) |
| [19:18] | <NC-17> | archive.gp2x.de |
| [19:19] | <JoshMalone> | :) |
| [19:19] | <JoshMalone> | A-data; that a brand? |
| [19:20] | <NC-17> | yeah |
| [19:20] | <NC-17> | surprisingly :) |
| [19:20] | <NC-17> | do a lot of memory type things |
| [19:39] | <Eagle_Fire> | finished my writeup of the cell phone -> wireless access point hack devices.natetrue.com |
| [20:07] | <jmalone_> | damn wireless internet |
| [20:08] | <jmalone_> | nice hack, nate |
| [20:12] | <JoshMalone> | grrrr |
| [20:15] | <Eagle_Fire> | thanks |
| [20:16] | <JoshMalone> | my net connection is really acting up now |
| [20:16] | <Eagle_Fire> | maybe you should switch channels |
| [20:18] | <JoshMalone> | channels? |
| [20:19] | <Eagle_Fire> | you said wireless? |
| [20:19] | <pwarren> | ls |
| [20:19] | <JoshMalone> | oh - it's a pre-wimax thing |
| [20:20] | <Eagle_Fire> | oh |
| [20:20] | <JoshMalone> | bad on some days |
| [20:21] | <Eagle_Fire> | what's the range on it |
| [20:21] | <JoshMalone> | 12 miles |
| [20:21] | <Eagle_Fire> | damn |
| [20:22] | <Eagle_Fire> | how far away from it are you |
| [20:22] | <JoshMalone> | far - not sure |
| [20:23] | <JoeBorn> | what did I miss? |
| [20:23] | <JoshMalone> | my cappy net connection :) |
| [20:24] | <JoeBorn> | I've been using EVDO through my verizon phone when I'm on the road, I have to say I'm pretty impressed |
| [20:24] | <JoshMalone> | evdo == great |
| [20:24] | <Eagle_Fire> | JoeBorn, i finished my writeup on my modem thingy |
| [20:24] | <Eagle_Fire> | devices.natetrue.com |
| [20:24] | <JoeBorn> | if I could do it through BT with the phone still in my pocket it would be pretty much unbelievable. |
| [20:24] | <JoeBorn> | it's only $15/mo |
| [20:24] | <JoshMalone> | 2.6GHz navini when theres a house btwn you and the mountantop != great |
| [20:25] | <JoeBorn> | we are still waiting for chairman gao and bob |
| [20:27] | <JoshMalone> | speak of the Devil :) |
| [20:27] | <BFaskos> | Hi Joe |
| [20:27] | <JoeBorn> | wow, that's unbelieve able Eagle! |
| [20:27] | <JoeBorn> | Howdy Bob |
| [20:27] | <Eagle_Fire> | believe it |
| [20:28] | <JoshMalone> | I use my wimax thingy with a disembodied apple airport for similar effect |
| [20:28] | <Eagle_Fire> | cool |
| [20:28] | <JoshMalone> | (and a 12 volt gell cell) |
| [20:28] | <JoshMalone> | when signal is good its 1.5 Mb/s |
| [20:28] | <Eagle_Fire> | nice |
| [20:29] | <JoshMalone> | (when it's bad I'd rather be on a modem) |
| [20:30] | <Eagle_Fire> | can you do anything fancy with antennas? |
| [20:30] | <JoeBorn> | which of these folks is you Nate? |
| [20:30] | <Eagle_Fire> | nate |
| [20:31] | <Eagle_Fire> | *me |
| [20:31] | <JoeBorn> | sorry, I'm looking through your photos |
| [20:31] | <JoeBorn> | should have given a little more context for that question |
| [20:31] | <JoshMalone> | I have a 8dbi fresnel patch antenna for it |
| [20:31] | <JoeBorn> | where's chairman gao? |
| [20:32] | <JoshMalone> | doesnt help most of the time |
| [20:32] | <Eagle_Fire> | what photos !? |
| [20:32] | <Eagle_Fire> | how much did you see |
| [20:32] | <JoeBorn> | 高 |
| [20:32] | <JoshMalone> | chairman? |
| [20:32] | <JoeBorn> | students.washington.edu |
| [20:32] | <Eagle_Fire> | me devices.natetrue.com |
| [20:32] | <Eagle_Fire> | students.washington.edu too |
| [20:34] | <JoeBorn> | I was way off |
| [20:34] | <Eagle_Fire> | who did you think i was |
| [20:34] | <JoshMalone> | :) |
| [20:35] | <JoeBorn> | students.washington.edu |
| [20:35] | <Eagle_Fire> | heh |
| [20:35] | <Eagle_Fire> | what made you think i was him |
| [20:36] | <JoeBorn> | no basis of any kind. |
| [20:36] | <JoeBorn> | as evidenced by how far off I was |
| [20:36] | <Eagle_Fire> | that'll teach you |
| [20:37] | <JoeBorn> | Gao, is here under an assumed identity |
| [20:38] | <JoshMalone> | :) |
| [20:38] | <JoeBorn> | ok, let's begin. |
| [20:38] | <JoshMalone> | you assume |
| [20:38] | <JoeBorn> | indeed. |
| [20:38] | <Eagle_Fire> | where is he |
| [20:38] | <Eagle_Fire> | show yourself! |
| [20:38] | <JoeBorn> | ok, we are gathered here today... |
| [20:38] | <JoeBorn> | to talk about the dev boards |
| [20:38] | <swoag> | GAO is here... |
| [20:39] | <JoeBorn> | and the biggest question is |
| [20:39] | <JoshMalone> | where are they? |
| [20:39] | <JoeBorn> | no you are suppsed to say "I AM GAO" |
| [20:39] | <JoeBorn> | well we have about half a dozen boards |
| [20:39] | <swoag> | hehe |
| [20:39] | <JoeBorn> | and say half are in China in our office there and the other half are with Bob |
| [20:40] | <JoeBorn> | but we can get a few more, but there are two issues. |
| [20:40] | <BFaskos> | I have 1/3 |
| [20:40] | <JoeBorn> | one is they need some rework which is not a big deal, but the other issue is that they are changing some as they morph |
| [20:40] | <JoeBorn> | into the 442v2 form factor boards and the R3 form factor boards. |
| [20:40] | <JoshMalone> | of course |
| [20:41] | <JoeBorn> | so the question is should we send them out now or wait until we have the next spin, the form factor boards. |
| [20:41] | <JoshMalone> | sounds typical to me |
| [20:41] | <JoeBorn> | Bob can talk about the differences. |
| [20:41] | <JoeBorn> | yes, it's no very surprising. |
| [20:41] | <JoshMalone> | the final ADS-sphere looked NOTHING like the original we got in the Linux office |
| [20:42] | <BFaskos> | Specifically about the DB's: |
| [20:42] | <BFaskos> | First the status. |
| [20:42] | <BFaskos> | I received 4 boards total, |
| [20:42] | <BFaskos> | Of which I worked extensively with 1, |
| [20:42] | <BFaskos> | lightly with another, |
| [20:43] | <BFaskos> | and almost nothing on the last 2 (received last night) |
| [20:43] | <BFaskos> | My first goal is to prove the design -- find out all these |
| [20:43] | <BFaskos> | pesky little things that byte you in the butt if you don't pay attention. |
| [20:44] | <BFaskos> | So I have been focusing on the design part of it, rather the actual bring up |
| [20:44] | <BFaskos> | So far I have tested the following sections: |
| [20:44] | <swoag> | and FYI, China got the other 4 sets boards and started working on them today. No status available yet. |
| [20:45] | <BFaskos> | Power supply: All tested look great. A few are still untested for real, but so far look good. |
| [20:45] | <BFaskos> | Conector pinouts: So far looks good, but I haven't tested the audio yet. |
| [20:46] | <BFaskos> | Console ports: Works just fine. There is a GIO pin that MUST be set by software before it comes up, or it will not receive characters. |
| [20:46] | <BFaskos> | Memory: |
| [20:47] | <BFaskos> | Flash populated is 4 MB. The factory put in a flash chip slightly different |
| [20:47] | <BFaskos> | than the one I asked for, so I had to add support for it in U-Boot. |
| [20:48] | <BFaskos> | Also, I goofed up and left one too many pins disconnected. As a result, itis not possible to |
| [20:48] | * JoshMalone wishes the hardware guys at ADS were half as good as Bob | |
| [20:48] | <BFaskos> | write to the boot sectors of the FLASH. A pullup resistor is needed. |
| [20:48] | <BFaskos> | (thank you) |
| [20:48] | <BFaskos> | The Ethernet port is working just fine. |
| [20:49] | <BFaskos> | It came up with the standard un-modified u-boot, but I had to |
| [20:49] | <BFaskos> | tweak the Linux driver to get it to the proper IRQ line. |
| [20:50] | <JoshMalone> | is this a DOC? |
| [20:50] | <JoshMalone> | or some other flash? |
| [20:50] | <BFaskos> | SDRAM populated is 64 MBytes. It is working just fine. |
| [20:51] | <BFaskos> | The FLASH chip populated is ST29W320DB70N6E. |
| [20:51] | <BFaskos> | Needless to say, all the oscillators are working just fine. |
| [20:51] | <BFaskos> | On-chip PLL is working great (means power is good!) |
| [20:52] | <BFaskos> | Off-chip PLL for the audio is right on the money as well. |
| [20:52] | <BFaskos> | The I2C bus is working as expected, but I still need to probe a bit more. |
| [20:53] | * JoshMalone can't find that chip...just confused by 'boot sector' in a flash chip. sorry | |
| [20:53] | <BFaskos> | I goofed up (yet again) in the RESET_P generation. I designed a pullup resistor in that line, but I needed a pulldown instead. |
| [20:53] | <BFaskos> | As a result we have yet another resistor to take care of. |
| [20:54] | <BFaskos> | Josh: Look for "M29W320DB" and follow the ST link. |
| [20:55] | <BFaskos> | My creative chip select generation is also working flawlessly. |
| [20:55] | <BFaskos> | The panel switches appear to be working fine |
| [20:55] | <BFaskos> | The HDD interface is working fine. |
| [20:56] | <BFaskos> | I can mount a file system in Linux and read and write with good throughput. |
| [20:56] | <BFaskos> | The CF card is also working fine. |
| [20:56] | <BFaskos> | I can mount a CF card and read and write to it no problem. |
| [20:57] | <BFaskos> | I can read and write the registers of the USB high speed chip (NET2272). |
| [20:57] | <BFaskos> | However, I don't have a Linux driver to test it with. |
| [20:57] | <BFaskos> | The circuit look right. |
| [20:57] | <BFaskos> | I also can see the SD card lines in the oscilloscope do the right thing, but I don't have the Linux driver loaded yet. |
| [20:58] | <BFaskos> | Ah! I almost forgot! |
| [20:58] | <BFaskos> | The reset button works!!! Yeh!!!!! |
| [20:58] | <Eagle_Fire> | that's a plus |
| [20:58] | <JoshMalone> | LOL |
| [20:58] | <BFaskos> | The LCD circuitry is largely untested yet. |
| [20:58] | <JoshMalone> | Eagle_Fire: esp if you've ever tried to debug a board where it didn't :) |
| [20:58] | <BFaskos> | However, the power supplies involved are working fine. |
| [20:59] | <BFaskos> | I think I addressed all the non-media peripherals. Did I forget anything non-media related? |
| [20:59] | <JoshMalone> | ethernet? |
| [21:00] | <Eagle_Fire> | he said that already |
| [21:00] | <BFaskos> | Etherenet works just fine. |
| [21:00] | <JoshMalone> | oh - sorry |
| [21:00] | <JoshMalone> | thanks - sorry :( |
| [21:00] | <BFaskos> | I can boot linux from TFTP with NFS root mount. |
| [21:00] | <JoshMalone> | so ship it! we'll fix the rest with a patch in 2 months :) |
| [21:00] | <BFaskos> | Ahhh-- emulator connection works fine too. |
| [21:01] | <Eagle_Fire> | so the decision to be made was whether to make more dev boards or to just plow ahead with form factor boards, right? |
| [21:01] | <BFaskos> | Well, this is one of the things that we are actually tryingto decide here. |
| [21:01] | <JoeBorn> | yes, but the issue is not so much the above |
| [21:01] | <BFaskos> | Ship it or not ship it. |
| [21:01] | <JoeBorn> | as the differences between the above and the form factors in terms of changing the USB, etc |
| [21:01] | <BFaskos> | Should I continue with status? |
| [21:02] | <JoeBorn> | yes |
| [21:02] | <BFaskos> | Ok. |
| [21:02] | <BFaskos> | The media-related peripherals have been probed but only slightly exercised. |
| [21:03] | <BFaskos> | The NTSC/PAL video digitizer appears to be taking commands and reacting to them. |
| [21:03] | <JoeBorn> | those of you following along at home may wish to review |
| [21:03] | <JoeBorn> | www.theneuros.com |
| [21:03] | <JoeBorn> | as Bob continues. |
| [21:03] | <BFaskos> | I have not tried to acquire video into the DM320 yet. |
| [21:03] | <BFaskos> | (sorry for being this boring!) |
| [21:03] | <JoeBorn> | no, its not that it just takes longer to type than read |
| [21:04] | <BFaskos> | Clocks and power to it are looking really good. |
| [21:04] | <JoshMalone> | this isn't boring me :) |
| [21:04] | <BFaskos> | The video input and S-Video input signals are cleaner than what I expected in this board. |
| [21:05] | <BFaskos> | At least onthe scope -- let's see what reality is when we can actually see something. |
| [21:05] | <BFaskos> | And I had expected a not so great SNR in the video department, but it seems that we will be OK. |
| [21:05] | <JoshMalone> | cool |
| [21:06] | <BFaskos> | The audio clocks look fine, the PLL output is clean and little or no jitter. |
| [21:06] | <BFaskos> | It looks like it is good for the 24 bit precision that we want. |
| [21:07] | <BFaskos> | I am sure that the noise level on the analog audio side will bring the SNR down somewhat. |
| [21:07] | <BFaskos> | The factory was laying the board out with just minimal concern for the analogs, but it was running so late |
| [21:07] | <BFaskos> | that I decided not to intervene too much. |
| [21:07] | <BFaskos> | I think that we will be way good enough though. |
| [21:08] | <BFaskos> | Forgot 1 non-media thing: |
| [21:08] | <JoeBorn> | that's great. |
| [21:08] | <BFaskos> | The logic that switches the console from DB-9 to shared audio jack is working. |
| [21:08] | <JoeBorn> | I'm going to stand in the mall and do the pepsi challenge with the iPod. |
| [21:08] | <JoshMalone> | thats switchable? cool |
| [21:09] | <BFaskos> | However, I am not sure what kind of noise level it will introduce into the audio, if any. |
| [21:09] | <BFaskos> | I have not tested the audio ADC or DAC yet. |
| [21:10] | <BFaskos> | I have not tried the S/PDIF output either. |
| [21:10] | <JoshMalone> | cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp :) |
| [21:10] | <BFaskos> | I have no tried the composite video output yet either. |
| [21:10] | <BFaskos> | I have not tried the headphones amplifier yet. |
| [21:11] | <swoag> | RTC and Memory Stick? |
| [21:11] | <BFaskos> | I guess this is it for status. |
| [21:11] | <BFaskos> | Ahhh, RTC! |
| [21:11] | <BFaskos> | There is no memory stick port in the DevBoard (stay tuned for more on this later) |
| [21:12] | <BFaskos> | The RTC and IR is actually done by a little 16-bit micro. |
| [21:12] | <BFaskos> | The micro is assembled, and I can JTAG into it. |
| [21:12] | <BFaskos> | It is connected to the I2C bus of the DM320. |
| [21:12] | <BFaskos> | But I have no code for it. |
| [21:12] | <JoshMalone> | have to jtag it? |
| [21:13] | <JoshMalone> | or is it linux-programmable? |
| [21:13] | <BFaskos> | It is NOT Linux-programmable. |
| [21:13] | <JoshMalone> | cool |
| [21:13] | <swoag> | even throught the I2C interface? |
| [21:13] | <swoag> | can't the Micro listen to the I2C traffic? |
| [21:13] | <BFaskos> | The I2C interface allows it to communicate with the DM320. |
| [21:13] | <BFaskos> | It can also send interrupts to the DM320. |
| [21:14] | <JoshMalone> | any intterrupt or just timer? |
| [21:14] | <BFaskos> | And it also connects (TX and RX) to a spare serial UART on the DM320. |
| [21:14] | <swoag> | then how Data/Time gets reset? |
| [21:14] | <BFaskos> | Any interrupt. So you can do pretty much anything you want there. |
| [21:14] | <JoshMalone> | time gets set via i2c |
| [21:14] | <BFaskos> | Via I2C. |
| [21:14] | <JoshMalone> | (like a dallas chip) |
| [21:15] | <BFaskos> | There is a battery backup power. |
| [21:15] | <BFaskos> | Coin cell. |
| [21:15] | <BFaskos> | This is a TI MSP430 chip. |
| [21:15] | <BFaskos> | It also has an IR reciver attached to it. |
| [21:15] | <JoshMalone> | cool - we had atmels on our boards |
| [21:15] | <swoag> | Then it is Linux programmable, I am a bit confused. |
| [21:15] | <BFaskos> | It decodes remote control keystrokes and sends them to the DM320. |
| [21:16] | <BFaskos> | This is a separate chip. |
| [21:16] | <JoshMalone> | the firmware in the MCU isn't programmable by linux |
| [21:16] | <JoshMalone> | but that code communicates via i2c with linux |
| [21:16] | <swoag> | I see, |
| [21:16] | <BFaskos> | Look for U10 on page 18 of the schematics. |
| [21:16] | <BFaskos> | A completely separate CPU, that canm talk and listen to/from the DM320. |
| [21:16] | <JoshMalone> | (and serial, apparently) |
| [21:16] | <swoag> | I was talking about different 'level' of programming ;) |
| [21:16] | <BFaskos> | And serial. |
| [21:16] | <JoshMalone> | :) |
| [21:17] | <BFaskos> | The little micro is NOT big enough to run Linux. |
| [21:17] | <swoag> | hehe |
| [21:17] | <JoshMalone> | ROTFL |
| [21:17] | <Eagle_Fire> | but we can't reprogram it without JTAG? |
| [21:17] | <BFaskos> | The version I put in (there are different sizes) is pretty small. |
| [21:17] | <BFaskos> | No. You will need JTAG to re-program it. |
| [21:18] | * JoshMalone remembers the atmel-powered typewriter that played music and drew shapes | |
| [21:18] | <BFaskos> | You can buy this JTAG tool for abot $49.99 or so. |
| [21:18] | <Eagle_Fire> | so i suppose the program on there will try to be as universal as possible? |
| [21:18] | <JoshMalone> | $50?!?!? |
| [21:18] | <JoshMalone> | no way |
| [21:18] | <BFaskos> | This is intended to run RTC and IR. |
| [21:18] | <BFaskos> | Only. |
| [21:18] | <Eagle_Fire> | i have a jtag i made from a parallel connector and 4 resistors, will that work |
| [21:18] | <BFaskos> | Possibly. |
| [21:19] | <JoshMalone> | lol |
| [21:19] | <swoag> | Eagle_Fire, yes, and that is what I meant by 'programmable by Linux'... |
| [21:19] | <Eagle_Fire> | well if the board is hackable we want it to be extendable past its intended purpose, right |
| [21:19] | <BFaskos> | The assembler and compiler for the little guy is proprietary (not GPL) but free. |
| [21:19] | <BFaskos> | However ---- and here is the biggie: |
| [21:19] | * JoshMalone fears what Nate will get into here :) | |
| [21:20] | <BFaskos> | The reason I madse this way is that |
| [21:20] | <BFaskos> | (don't you love a bit of suspense?) |
| [21:20] | <JoshMalone> | du du du duhhhhhhh |
| [21:20] | <BFaskos> | DRM10 requires a secure clock |
| [21:20] | <BFaskos> | and secure storage |
| [21:20] | <JoshMalone> | LOL |
| [21:20] | <BFaskos> | THEREFORE |
| [21:20] | <Eagle_Fire> | ! |
| [21:20] | <JoshMalone> | ah - I see |
| [21:21] | <BFaskos> | Things must be closed to a certain degree. |
| [21:21] | <BFaskos> | The little guy has a "security fuse" kind of thing. |
| [21:21] | <JoshMalone> | so MCU code wont be open |
| [21:21] | <swoag> | now it turns to "unprogrammable by Linux" again! ") |
| [21:21] | <Eagle_Fire> | well at least give me free reign on the IR stuff, then i'll be happy |
| [21:21] | <BFaskos> | You will not be able to read the device if the bit is set, |
| [21:21] | <JoshMalone> | oh - so MCU wont be programmable |
| [21:21] | <JoshMalone> | oh - readout only |
| [21:21] | <BFaskos> | even though you can certainly re-program it. |
| [21:21] | <JoeBorn> | the rockbox guys will hit the roof when they hear that |
| [21:22] | <BFaskos> | You can re-program that if you soi wish, |
| [21:22] | <Eagle_Fire> | good thing none of them are here |
| [21:22] | <JoshMalone> | JoeBorn: why? it's just the clock and IR serial interface |
| [21:22] | <BFaskos> | but you will lokse your DRM key. |
| [21:22] | <BFaskos> | Of course, this bit will only have to be set IF there is the need to |
| [21:22] | <JoshMalone> | right...can only erase entire unit when fuse is set |
| [21:22] | <BFaskos> | play DRM content. |
| [21:22] | <BFaskos> | Correct. |
| [21:22] | * JoshMalone remembers his PLAs in digital design class | |
| [21:23] | <BFaskos> | I personally think that this is not a big deal. |
| [21:23] | <JoshMalone> | me either |
| [21:23] | <BFaskos> | It is there if you want. |
| [21:23] | <Eagle_Fire> | i sure don't mind |
| [21:23] | <BFaskos> | Don't mess with it if you don't want to. |
| [21:23] | <JoeBorn> | given what you've said, maybe it will be fine. |
| [21:23] | <JoshMalone> | well - unless the MCU is doing challenge/response, you can just sniff the i2c lines : |
