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while i'm waiting the dev boards to come up i'm having a lot of fun with ruby. i really love it. so i guess i have to thank you for introducing me to it :)

[12:58]

nerochiaro: I'm really glad you like it. I'm also glad that it's gotten so popular lately.

[13:00]

nerochiaro: true, recognition will help it becore a more viable language in workplaces, i hope.

[13:00]

(yeah, sending messages to myself)

[13:00]

hahah. very introspective of you

[13:00]

:)

[13:01]

It's also encouraging to hear that google uses python so much

[13:02]

as a converted rubyist it gnaws me a bit, but seriously it's good news. maybe the time has come for "scripting" languages will be seen as more than toys and quick prototyping things ?

[13:06]

nerochiaro: yes -- I think things are definitely moving to a higher level.

[13:06]

nerochiaro: I'm not sure why it took so long

[13:09]

nerochiaro: how's your job been going?

[13:09]

maybe all the C diehards died out in the meantime ? ;) but seriously, it might be because first garbage-collected but not dynamically-typed languages had to become popular.

[13:09]

then also the dynamically typed ones could be seen as viable in light of the previous step

[13:10]

my job ? quite fine. i'm finally getting to work from home for most of the week, which is great

[13:10]

nerochiaro: that's awesome. Having no office, I work from home as well. I love it.

[13:10]

<unknown_lamer>

common lisp gets typing correct

[13:10]

<unknown_lamer>

dynamic or static, and strongly typed. Weak typing is best left to languages not meant for real use.

[13:11]

what's wrong with that ?

[13:11]

<unknown_lamer>

Weak typing is really bad

[13:11]

<unknown_lamer>

int foo = "5"; should *not* work

[13:11]

<unknown_lamer>

You have no guarantees about types, and so you end up with very subtle bugs that are nearly impossible to find.

[13:11]

<unknown_lamer>

that is why I hate that I make my living coding php :-\ If only I could code UCW apps.

[13:12]

unknown_lamer: I got UCW up and running once

[13:12]

<unknown_lamer>

gernika: hcoop.net lets me run whatever I want so :-)

[13:12]

unknown_lamer: php has other problem too, it's not just the weak typing.

[13:12]

<unknown_lamer>

nerochiaro: Yeah, but weak typing is blech

[13:12]

<unknown_lamer>

nerochiaro: to convert between types one should always explicitly do so

[13:13]

<unknown_lamer>

(string->number "5")

[13:13]

<unknown_lamer>

Anyway, time for class. Blech. University sucks ;-)

[13:13]

unknown_lamer: i don't know. depending on the context, sometimes i like automatic conversions

[13:13]

<unknown_lamer>

nerochiaro: weak typing makes sense for a language that is primarily concerned with text processing

[13:13]

unknown_lamer: have a nice class

[13:13]

<unknown_lamer>

nerochiaro: or for writing throwaway apps. That is why PHP is cool for quickly prototyping simple stuff

[13:14]

<unknown_lamer>

nerochiaro: But as soon as it gets beyond 200-300 lines, or you intend to reuse the code

[13:14]

unknown_lamer: it's hell. i know

[13:14]

<unknown_lamer>

nerochiaro: half the PHP I write is checking types and verifying data

[13:14]

been there

[13:14]

<unknown_lamer>

and I can't use QuickForms either

[13:14]

<unknown_lamer>

Which sucks.

[13:14]

<unknown_lamer>

It is "too heavyweight"

[13:14]

<unknown_lamer>

oh well

[13:15]

<unknown_lamer>

PHP money is less painful than sales work at least.

[13:15]

no doubt. but at least we all agree php sucks :)

[13:17]

gernika: aside working from home, you work on your own company on a product you like and i suppose you make your schedules. that would be my ideal way to work.

[13:18]

* nerochiaro **envy**

[13:18]

nerochiaro: yes. only one step remains: somehow eraning a profit :)

[13:18]

*earning

[13:18]

that would help too, yeah

[13:19]

you plan on making profit from subscription to that web app or from ads ?

[13:19]

nerochiaro: California's been great too. It's in the 60s today. Where I'm from it's probably about 35 Celsius right now (cold).

[13:19]

you bastard! it's below zero (celsius) here. damn freezing

[13:20]

nerochiaro: we are going to try and earn money on commissions on transactions.

[13:20]

gernika: something like expert exchange or stuff like that ? (not that i know their business model that well, but still...)

[13:20]

nerochiaro: yes. similar to that.

[13:21]

you deserve good luck

[13:21]

nerochiaro: thanks. And thanks again for your help on loglibrary.com. That was a lot of fun.

[13:25]

you're welcome :) and thanks again to you for smuggling me ruby

[13:26]

gernika: i'll go get some dinner now. see you

[13:26]

and thanks for the chat

[13:26]

sure. ttyl

[15:45]

<unknown_lamer>

nerochiaro: ha cold there?

[15:46]

<unknown_lamer>

nerochiaro: It's at least 60F here :-) I just got a chance to *finally* change my oil.

[15:46]

<unknown_lamer>

Next I get to figure out how to make my poor old OBD I system do the blinking check engine light and then look up the code to see why the service engine light keeps coming on

[16:23]

<LoRez>

unknown_lamer: what make of car is it?

[16:24]

<unknown_lamer>

LoRez: 91 Camaro

[16:24]

<LoRez>

probably just have to short the diagnosis pin to ground under the dash and turn the key on

[16:24]

<unknown_lamer>

Yeah

[10:09]	<gernika>	Hey nerochiaro, what's up?
[12:54]	<nerochiaro>	gernika: hey! all is fine. you ?
[12:55]	<gernika>	nerochiaro: doing well. I moved to Sillicon Valley -- working on a startup.
[12:55]	<nerochiaro>	gernika: cool.. what is that about ?
[12:56]	<nerochiaro>	gernika: unless it's super secret or something
[12:56]	<gernika>	nerochiaro: it's somewhat similar to loglibrary/freenode it is a site for letting people get help with small problems via chat.
[12:56]	<gernika>	nerochiaro: not online yet though
[12:57]	<nerochiaro>	gernika: i see. still rails powered ?
[12:57]	<gernika>	nerochiaro: yes
[12:58]	<gernika>	nerochiaro: with a little bit of lisp thrown in
[12:58]	<nerochiaro>	while i'm waiting the dev boards to come up i'm having a lot of fun with ruby. i really love it. so i guess i have to thank you for introducing me to it :)
[12:58]	<gernika>	nerochiaro: I'm really glad you like it. I'm also glad that it's gotten so popular lately.
[13:00]	<nerochiaro>	nerochiaro: true, recognition will help it becore a more viable language in workplaces, i hope.
[13:00]	<nerochiaro>	(yeah, sending messages to myself)
[13:00]	<gernika>	hahah. very introspective of you
[13:00]	<nerochiaro>	:)
[13:01]	<gernika>	It's also encouraging to hear that google uses python so much
[13:02]	<nerochiaro>	as a converted rubyist it gnaws me a bit, but seriously it's good news. maybe the time has come for "scripting" languages will be seen as more than toys and quick prototyping things ?
[13:06]	<gernika>	nerochiaro: yes -- I think things are definitely moving to a higher level.
[13:06]	<gernika>	nerochiaro: I'm not sure why it took so long
[13:09]	<gernika>	nerochiaro: how's your job been going?
[13:09]	<nerochiaro>	maybe all the C diehards died out in the meantime ? ;) but seriously, it might be because first garbage-collected but not dynamically-typed languages had to become popular.
[13:09]	<nerochiaro>	then also the dynamically typed ones could be seen as viable in light of the previous step
[13:10]	<nerochiaro>	my job ? quite fine. i'm finally getting to work from home for most of the week, which is great
[13:10]	<gernika>	nerochiaro: that's awesome. Having no office, I work from home as well. I love it.
[13:10]	<unknown_lamer>	common lisp gets typing correct
[13:10]	<unknown_lamer>	dynamic or static, and strongly typed. Weak typing is best left to languages not meant for real use.
[13:11]	<nerochiaro>	what's wrong with that ?
[13:11]	<unknown_lamer>	Weak typing is really bad
[13:11]	<unknown_lamer>	int foo = "5"; should not work
[13:11]	<unknown_lamer>	You have no guarantees about types, and so you end up with very subtle bugs that are nearly impossible to find.
[13:11]	<unknown_lamer>	that is why I hate that I make my living coding php :-\ If only I could code UCW apps.
[13:12]	<gernika>	unknown_lamer: I got UCW up and running once
[13:12]	<unknown_lamer>	gernika: hcoop.net lets me run whatever I want so :-)
[13:12]	<nerochiaro>	unknown_lamer: php has other problem too, it's not just the weak typing.
[13:12]	<unknown_lamer>	nerochiaro: Yeah, but weak typing is blech
[13:12]	<unknown_lamer>	nerochiaro: to convert between types one should always explicitly do so
[13:13]	<unknown_lamer>	(string->number "5")
[13:13]	<unknown_lamer>	Anyway, time for class. Blech. University sucks ;-)
[13:13]	<nerochiaro>	unknown_lamer: i don't know. depending on the context, sometimes i like automatic conversions
[13:13]	<unknown_lamer>	nerochiaro: weak typing makes sense for a language that is primarily concerned with text processing
[13:13]	<nerochiaro>	unknown_lamer: have a nice class
[13:13]	<unknown_lamer>	nerochiaro: or for writing throwaway apps. That is why PHP is cool for quickly prototyping simple stuff
[13:14]	<unknown_lamer>	nerochiaro: But as soon as it gets beyond 200-300 lines, or you intend to reuse the code
[13:14]	<nerochiaro>	unknown_lamer: it's hell. i know
[13:14]	<unknown_lamer>	nerochiaro: half the PHP I write is checking types and verifying data
[13:14]	<nerochiaro>	been there
[13:14]	<unknown_lamer>	and I can't use QuickForms either
[13:14]	<unknown_lamer>	Which sucks.
[13:14]	<unknown_lamer>	It is "too heavyweight"
[13:14]	<unknown_lamer>	oh well
[13:15]	<unknown_lamer>	PHP money is less painful than sales work at least.
[13:15]	<nerochiaro>	no doubt. but at least we all agree php sucks :)
[13:17]	<nerochiaro>	gernika: aside working from home, you work on your own company on a product you like and i suppose you make your schedules. that would be my ideal way to work.
[13:18]	* nerochiaro envy
[13:18]	<gernika>	nerochiaro: yes. only one step remains: somehow eraning a profit :)
[13:18]	<gernika>	*earning
[13:18]	<nerochiaro>	that would help too, yeah
[13:19]	<nerochiaro>	you plan on making profit from subscription to that web app or from ads ?
[13:19]	<gernika>	nerochiaro: California's been great too. It's in the 60s today. Where I'm from it's probably about 35 Celsius right now (cold).
[13:19]	<nerochiaro>	you bastard! it's below zero (celsius) here. damn freezing
[13:20]	<gernika>	nerochiaro: we are going to try and earn money on commissions on transactions.
[13:20]	<nerochiaro>	gernika: something like expert exchange or stuff like that ? (not that i know their business model that well, but still...)
[13:20]	<gernika>	nerochiaro: yes. similar to that.
[13:21]	<nerochiaro>	you deserve good luck
[13:21]	<gernika>	nerochiaro: thanks. And thanks again for your help on loglibrary.com. That was a lot of fun.
[13:25]	<nerochiaro>	you're welcome :) and thanks again to you for smuggling me ruby
[13:26]	<nerochiaro>	gernika: i'll go get some dinner now. see you
[13:26]	<nerochiaro>	and thanks for the chat
[13:26]	<gernika>	sure. ttyl
[15:45]	<unknown_lamer>	nerochiaro: ha cold there?
[15:46]	<unknown_lamer>	nerochiaro: It's at least 60F here :-) I just got a chance to finally change my oil.
[15:46]	<unknown_lamer>	Next I get to figure out how to make my poor old OBD I system do the blinking check engine light and then look up the code to see why the service engine light keeps coming on
[16:23]	<LoRez>	unknown_lamer: what make of car is it?
[16:24]	<unknown_lamer>	LoRez: 91 Camaro
[16:24]	<LoRez>	probably just have to short the diagnosis pin to ground under the dash and turn the key on
[16:24]	<unknown_lamer>	Yeah