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[17:54] <Eagle_Fire> sup JoeBorn
[17:54] <JoeBorn> do you use Tivo?
[17:55] <Eagle_Fire> no sir
[17:56] <JoeBorn> any interest?
[17:57] <Eagle_Fire> a little
[17:57] <Eagle_Fire> did a bit with PVR cards on computer a while ago
[17:57] <Eagle_Fire> but for the moment i can usually make the TV time or BT it if i can't make it
[17:58] <Eagle_Fire> i would, of course, be interested in aiding in the development of a Tivo-like device
[18:03] <nerochiaro> personally, i find getting my shows from bit torrent usually much more comfortable than fiddling with PVRs
[18:04] <nerochiaro> but then again, i'm not an hardcore tv lover
[18:04] <Eagle_Fire> well tivo is supposed to make it easy
[18:05] <Eagle_Fire> be watching a show, and say "record this show from now on"
[18:05] <Eagle_Fire> right?
[18:06] <nerochiaro> i think it works that way, or you can say record from time x to time y, i'll watch it when i come home, thank you
[18:06] <nerochiaro> traditional recorder style
[18:06] <Eagle_Fire> then it goes the extra mile and infers shows you'd like
[18:06] <Eagle_Fire> (likely from the show choices of people similar to you)
[18:08] <nerochiaro> usually these suggestions tend to be are quite off base for me, at least when we're talking about music. never tried about video
[18:09] <Eagle_Fire> AI is never so accurate
[18:09] <nerochiaro> also it doesn't help i don't have very consistent tastes
[18:10] <Eagle_Fire> yeah, one week it's home improvement shows, the next it's documentaries on transvestites
[18:10] <JoeBorn> wow
[18:10] <nerochiaro> was talking about music, but you picture it well :P
[18:10] <Eagle_Fire> and when Tivo tries to mathematically extrapolate your tastes into the future, it comes up with gay Hitler porn and you're just not into that
[18:11] <JoeBorn> so anyway, the reason I ask is that there's a piece of software, TVHarmony
[18:11] <nerochiaro> Eagle_Fire: you shouldn't mention that stuff. can't you hear the FBI knowking on your door already ?
[18:11] <Eagle_Fire> my door is knock-proof
[18:11] <Eagle_Fire> TVHarmony? i've never heard of that
[18:11] <nerochiaro> good choice
[18:11] <nerochiaro> me neither
[18:12] <JoeBorn> tvharmony.com
[18:12] * nerochiaro  listens to the sound of googling
[18:12] <JoeBorn> so it automates the process of tivo2 go and file conversion, etc
[18:13] <JoeBorn> plug in the 442 and in the morning you have video ready to go. Grab your 442 and your watching TiVo on your commute
[18:14] <Eagle_Fire> i wish i had a 442 :(
[18:14] <JoeBorn> which is not really useful if you commute by bicycle
[18:14] <JoeBorn> but anyway.
[18:14] <Eagle_Fire> sounds like there needs to be a 442 HUD accessory
[18:14] <nerochiaro> that would raise the cyclist death rate by a lot
[18:14] <JoeBorn> Housing and Urban Development
[18:14] <JoeBorn> oh heads up display
[18:15] <JoeBorn> so there is a reason that I bring this up.
[18:15] <nerochiaro> you want to include it in 442 packages ?
[18:15] <JoeBorn> well, we could.
[18:15] <Eagle_Fire> but?
[18:16] <JoeBorn> well, we haven't even tested it.
[18:16] <JoeBorn> none of us have even tried it.
[18:16] <JoeBorn> so I got to thinking, Maybe Mr. Fire would be interested in trying it.
[18:17] <nerochiaro> good thinking
[18:17] <Eagle_Fire> if only i had the tivo
[18:18] <JoeBorn> exactly
[18:18] <JoeBorn> this is your lucky day!
[18:18] <Eagle_Fire> !?
[18:18] <JoeBorn> That's right, Mr. Fire!
[18:18] <nerochiaro> congrats! you just got a free tivo !
[18:18] <Eagle_Fire> you can call me Nate though
[18:19] <JoeBorn> exactly!
[18:19] <Eagle_Fire> it's less disturbing
[18:19] <JoeBorn> I'd offer it to you Nero except that
[18:19] <JoeBorn> #1 I know you don't care about TV
[18:19] <JoeBorn> #2 TiVo doesn't work in Italy
[18:20] <nerochiaro> no problem Joe, i imagined as much. Nate looks a much safer bet. plus it's easier to reach
[18:20] <Eagle_Fire> i'm easier to keep under your thumb
[18:21] <nerochiaro> or in your pocket
[18:21] <Eagle_Fire> or On The Go
[18:21] <nerochiaro> Nate OTG. you really should change your nick
[18:21] <JoeBorn> well, I'm not sure that either of you are great candidates for folks we can control.
[18:21] <Eagle_Fire> damn
[18:22] <JoeBorn> but I'm not sure that a lot of control is really necessary for this assignment
[18:22] <Eagle_Fire> alright, what's the official assignment
[18:22] <Eagle_Fire> give it to me straight, boss
[18:23] <JoeBorn> 1. receive tivo2 unit
[18:23] <JoeBorn> 2. signup for service (I assume you have tv or cable)
[18:24] <Eagle_Fire> i do
[18:24] <JoeBorn> 3. connect tivo to network
[18:24] <JoeBorn> 4. get tV harmony to work with the 442
[18:25] <nerochiaro> just make sure he doesn't disassemble the TiVo like he did with the 442. at least not until phase 4 is over
[18:25] <JoeBorn> (well, I guess I missed a step you have to exchange your 442)
[18:25] <JoeBorn> good point
[18:25] <Eagle_Fire> i'll send it out tomorrow
[18:25] <Eagle_Fire> either way i know how to encode video for the 442
[18:25] <Eagle_Fire> and make it work
[18:26] <JoeBorn> 5. throw something up on your website
[18:26] <Eagle_Fire> if there's anything i'm good at, it's throwing things up
[18:26] <JoeBorn> 6. receive fame and riches
[18:26] <JoeBorn> (we're not responsible for #6)
[18:26] <Eagle_Fire> yay
[18:26] <JoeBorn> but actually, we do have an affiliate program now.
[18:27] <Eagle_Fire> i'm actually helping produce a video blog for Gear Live (they own Gizmodo) and I can totally get a segment on there
[18:27] <Eagle_Fire> ooh, affiliate
[18:27] <nerochiaro> JoeBorn: time ago there were talks about getting EU distributors for Neuros stuff. What happened to that idea ?
[18:28] <JoeBorn> well, we have a distributor in the UK
[18:28] <JoeBorn> and Collin is going to Cebit and actually we talked to a distributor from Italy today
[18:29] <nerochiaro> any details on that ?
[18:29] <JoeBorn> on the Italian guy?
[18:29] <nerochiaro> yeah, sorry
[18:29] <JoeBorn> I'm asking now.
[18:30] <JoeBorn> so, nate what do you think?
[18:30] <JoeBorn> e-motion.it is the italian distributor
[18:30] <JoeBorn> we have not closed anything with him, just talking.
[18:30] <JoeBorn> but feel free to hound him if you like, it can only help I think
[18:31] <JoeBorn> well, not hounding, but you get the idea
[18:31] <Eagle_Fire> Joe, i'd be glad to do it
[18:31] <Eagle_Fire> would you also be interested in me developing a recording solution for PC-based PVR cards? Generic PVR cards have woefully inadequate software
[18:32] <Eagle_Fire> most of them, however, do implement the generic WDM tv tuner model and can thus be operated by common software
[18:32] <JoeBorn> sure, why not?
[18:32] <Eagle_Fire> hooray
[18:32] <nerochiaro> they seem to be a large distributor of electronics that provides stuff for malls and electronic store chains
[18:33] <Eagle_Fire> anyhow, that'll probably take a while
[18:33] <Eagle_Fire> i do want to take the dev board and make an in-car version of the 442
[18:33] <Eagle_Fire> with a redone interface for car-optimized
[18:33] <Eagle_Fire> it'll be pretty much an ipod clone
[18:33] <Eagle_Fire> but better
[18:33] <Eagle_Fire> since i don't have an ipod
[18:33] <Eagle_Fire> i won't be limited by it
[18:33] <nerochiaro> JoeBorn: so basically people never deal with them directly. hounding them won't be worth much
[18:34] <JoeBorn> well, if you really do have time to start with the tivo thing, I'll get you a tivo2
[18:34] <Eagle_Fire> i sure do
[18:34] <JoeBorn> nero: that's right.
[18:36] <Eagle_Fire> also it would be much appreciated if you could "expedite" my 442 exchange
[18:36] <JoeBorn> no problem, they can cross ship a unit to you.
[18:36] <Eagle_Fire> sweet
[18:36] <Eagle_Fire> you're the best
[18:36] <nerochiaro> JoeBorn: it's good for you as a company since you get wider distribution, but bad for the small fish because A) they get 2 markups in price, one from them, one from the mall and B) because they don't have friendly support
[18:37] <nerochiaro> because that's handed off to the mall
[18:37] <nerochiaro> which usually suck in the PR department
[18:37] <JoeBorn> what do you mean, small fish?
[18:38] <Eagle_Fire> "europe"
[18:38] <nerochiaro> Eagle_Fire: beep! i meant us, the users
[18:39] <nerochiaro> also you target to a geek market, and these large electronics stores are not famous for catering to geeks
[18:39] <nerochiaro> "consumer electronics stores"
[18:39] <nerochiaro> or whatever is the right term in english
[18:39] <Eagle_Fire> unfortunately there are no stores that really cater to geeks
[18:39] <Eagle_Fire> except for discount computer stores
[18:40] <Eagle_Fire> and they don't carry brand names
[18:40] <nerochiaro> Eagle_Fire: small computer stores usually are more geek-friendly around here
[18:41] <nerochiaro> they even have technical personnel that doesn't suck
[18:41] <Eagle_Fire> yeah
[18:41] <JoeBorn> well, nero, you are right. if you have suggestions for appropriate distributors, please let us know.
[18:42] <JoeBorn> or if you go to any of those small stores, you can ask them who they reccomend.
[18:42] <JoeBorn> So, Nate
[18:43] <JoeBorn> do you want the Tivo service?
[18:43] <Eagle_Fire> sure
[18:43] <nerochiaro> JoeBorn: what do you mean with asking who they reccomend ? as a distributor ?
[18:43] <JoeBorn> nero: yes
[18:44] <nerochiaro> i can try. i'll let you know if i find anything
[18:45] <JoeBorn> well, if you happen to visit a store or whatever, don't go out of your way
[18:45] <JoeBorn> so, Nate, I'm not entirely sure how to proceed since tivo works on a kind of rebate system
[18:45] <JoeBorn> www.buy.com
[18:45] <nerochiaro> JoeBorn: of course. if i happen to be somewhere where i can ask, i'll do
[18:46] <Eagle_Fire> hmm
[18:46] <nerochiaro> i'll be off to bed not. have a nice tivo everyone
[18:46] <Eagle_Fire> i'd say buy it, and send in the rebates yourself (or in the name of the company, not sure how that works)
[18:46] <Eagle_Fire> then ship it to me
[18:47] <JoeBorn> well, the rebates seem tied to signing up for the service
[18:47] <Eagle_Fire> ok, let me look at this real quick
[18:49] <Eagle_Fire> how much does tivo service cost?
[18:49] <Eagle_Fire> ah, here it is
[18:49] <Eagle_Fire> $13/mo
[18:52] <Eagle_Fire> 1-year commitment required
[18:53] <JoeBorn> so basically we can give you a free tivo and a free year of service if we buy you a unit and let you keep the rebate I guess
[18:55] <Eagle_Fire> what does "Not valid for pre-owned, second party, demo, or display DVRs" mean
[18:56] <JoeBorn> I think we should just send you a check adn let you buy the unit and take the rebate
[18:56] <Eagle_Fire> that might be the easiest way
[18:56] <JoeBorn> who knows what they will do if the receipt name doesn't match the service.
[18:57] <Eagle_Fire> likely withhold the rebate, i suppose
[18:58] <JoeBorn> I'm sure there's a big sign at all these rebate companies posted high over head
[18:58] <JoeBorn> "WHEN IN DOUBT, SCREW 'EM!"
[18:59] <Eagle_Fire> says wait 10 to 12 weeks from qualification
[18:59] <JoeBorn> right.
[18:59] <Eagle_Fire> that's +8 weeks too because 1 month trial and 1 month subscribed required
[18:59] <Eagle_Fire> so 18 to 20 weeks, up to 5 months
[18:59] <JoeBorn> pretty impressive!
[19:00] <JoeBorn> well, I'm just thinking that we'd just send you a check for $300 or something, so that worst comes to worst
[19:00] <Eagle_Fire> that'd work out
[19:00] <JoeBorn> you won't lose money
[19:01] <Eagle_Fire> always a plus
[19:01] <JoeBorn> right
[19:04] <JoeBorn> Well, let me know how you want to proceed.
[19:06] <Eagle_Fire> go on and toss me a check / new 442 in the mail, when i get it i'll let you know and give you progress updates on my progress as it progresses
[19:07] <JoeBorn> ok, sounds good, customer service will do the replacement deal and they'll send you a label, etc
[19:07] <Eagle_Fire> they just told me to ship it
[19:08] <Eagle_Fire> We highly recommend that you use a tracking number on your return to
[19:08] <Eagle_Fire> confirm delivery if needed. Neuros Audio, LLC will not be responsible
[19:08] <Eagle_Fire> for lost or missing items.
[19:08] <Eagle_Fire> Please return it to the following address:
[19:08] <JoeBorn> ok, send me an email
[19:09] <Eagle_Fire> sure thing
[19:11] <Eagle_Fire> jborn@neuroasjiodanf.com right?
[19:12] <JoeBorn> um, I think so :/
[19:14] <Eagle_Fire> alright then
[19:15] <JoeBorn> I got it.
[19:15] <Eagle_Fire> i suppose i should buy it soon though so as not to expire that rebay
[19:15] <Eagle_Fire> *rebate
[19:18] <JoeBorn> well, we should get that stuff out tomorrow.
[19:18] <Eagle_Fire> thanks
[19:53] <JoeBorn> well, let me know if you have any questions.
[19:53] <JoeBorn> I'm eager to follow your instructions once you get it working.
[19:54] <Eagle_Fire> yessir
[20:05] <JoeBorn> ok talk to you all later then!
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