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| [17:54] | <Eagle_Fire> | sup JoeBorn |
| [17:54] | <JoeBorn> | do you use Tivo? |
| [17:55] | <Eagle_Fire> | no sir |
| [17:56] | <JoeBorn> | any interest? |
| [17:57] | <Eagle_Fire> | a little |
| [17:57] | <Eagle_Fire> | did a bit with PVR cards on computer a while ago |
| [17:57] | <Eagle_Fire> | but for the moment i can usually make the TV time or BT it if i can't make it |
| [17:58] | <Eagle_Fire> | i would, of course, be interested in aiding in the development of a Tivo-like device |
| [18:03] | <nerochiaro> | personally, i find getting my shows from bit torrent usually much more comfortable than fiddling with PVRs |
| [18:04] | <nerochiaro> | but then again, i'm not an hardcore tv lover |
| [18:04] | <Eagle_Fire> | well tivo is supposed to make it easy |
| [18:05] | <Eagle_Fire> | be watching a show, and say "record this show from now on" |
| [18:05] | <Eagle_Fire> | right? |
| [18:06] | <nerochiaro> | i think it works that way, or you can say record from time x to time y, i'll watch it when i come home, thank you |
| [18:06] | <nerochiaro> | traditional recorder style |
| [18:06] | <Eagle_Fire> | then it goes the extra mile and infers shows you'd like |
| [18:06] | <Eagle_Fire> | (likely from the show choices of people similar to you) |
| [18:08] | <nerochiaro> | usually these suggestions tend to be are quite off base for me, at least when we're talking about music. never tried about video |
| [18:09] | <Eagle_Fire> | AI is never so accurate |
| [18:09] | <nerochiaro> | also it doesn't help i don't have very consistent tastes |
| [18:10] | <Eagle_Fire> | yeah, one week it's home improvement shows, the next it's documentaries on transvestites |
| [18:10] | <JoeBorn> | wow |
| [18:10] | <nerochiaro> | was talking about music, but you picture it well :P |
| [18:10] | <Eagle_Fire> | and when Tivo tries to mathematically extrapolate your tastes into the future, it comes up with gay Hitler porn and you're just not into that |
| [18:11] | <JoeBorn> | so anyway, the reason I ask is that there's a piece of software, TVHarmony |
| [18:11] | <nerochiaro> | Eagle_Fire: you shouldn't mention that stuff. can't you hear the FBI knowking on your door already ? |
| [18:11] | <Eagle_Fire> | my door is knock-proof |
| [18:11] | <Eagle_Fire> | TVHarmony? i've never heard of that |
| [18:11] | <nerochiaro> | good choice |
| [18:11] | <nerochiaro> | me neither |
| [18:12] | <JoeBorn> | tvharmony.com |
| [18:12] | * nerochiaro listens to the sound of googling | |
| [18:12] | <JoeBorn> | so it automates the process of tivo2 go and file conversion, etc |
| [18:13] | <JoeBorn> | plug in the 442 and in the morning you have video ready to go. Grab your 442 and your watching TiVo on your commute |
| [18:14] | <Eagle_Fire> | i wish i had a 442 :( |
| [18:14] | <JoeBorn> | which is not really useful if you commute by bicycle |
| [18:14] | <JoeBorn> | but anyway. |
| [18:14] | <Eagle_Fire> | sounds like there needs to be a 442 HUD accessory |
| [18:14] | <nerochiaro> | that would raise the cyclist death rate by a lot |
| [18:14] | <JoeBorn> | Housing and Urban Development |
| [18:14] | <JoeBorn> | oh heads up display |
| [18:15] | <JoeBorn> | so there is a reason that I bring this up. |
| [18:15] | <nerochiaro> | you want to include it in 442 packages ? |
| [18:15] | <JoeBorn> | well, we could. |
| [18:15] | <Eagle_Fire> | but? |
| [18:16] | <JoeBorn> | well, we haven't even tested it. |
| [18:16] | <JoeBorn> | none of us have even tried it. |
| [18:16] | <JoeBorn> | so I got to thinking, Maybe Mr. Fire would be interested in trying it. |
| [18:17] | <nerochiaro> | good thinking |
| [18:17] | <Eagle_Fire> | if only i had the tivo |
| [18:18] | <JoeBorn> | exactly |
| [18:18] | <JoeBorn> | this is your lucky day! |
| [18:18] | <Eagle_Fire> | !? |
| [18:18] | <JoeBorn> | That's right, Mr. Fire! |
| [18:18] | <nerochiaro> | congrats! you just got a free tivo ! |
| [18:18] | <Eagle_Fire> | you can call me Nate though |
| [18:19] | <JoeBorn> | exactly! |
| [18:19] | <Eagle_Fire> | it's less disturbing |
| [18:19] | <JoeBorn> | I'd offer it to you Nero except that |
| [18:19] | <JoeBorn> | #1 I know you don't care about TV |
| [18:19] | <JoeBorn> | #2 TiVo doesn't work in Italy |
| [18:20] | <nerochiaro> | no problem Joe, i imagined as much. Nate looks a much safer bet. plus it's easier to reach |
| [18:20] | <Eagle_Fire> | i'm easier to keep under your thumb |
| [18:21] | <nerochiaro> | or in your pocket |
| [18:21] | <Eagle_Fire> | or On The Go |
| [18:21] | <nerochiaro> | Nate OTG. you really should change your nick |
| [18:21] | <JoeBorn> | well, I'm not sure that either of you are great candidates for folks we can control. |
| [18:21] | <Eagle_Fire> | damn |
| [18:22] | <JoeBorn> | but I'm not sure that a lot of control is really necessary for this assignment |
| [18:22] | <Eagle_Fire> | alright, what's the official assignment |
| [18:22] | <Eagle_Fire> | give it to me straight, boss |
| [18:23] | <JoeBorn> | 1. receive tivo2 unit |
| [18:23] | <JoeBorn> | 2. signup for service (I assume you have tv or cable) |
| [18:24] | <Eagle_Fire> | i do |
| [18:24] | <JoeBorn> | 3. connect tivo to network |
| [18:24] | <JoeBorn> | 4. get tV harmony to work with the 442 |
| [18:25] | <nerochiaro> | just make sure he doesn't disassemble the TiVo like he did with the 442. at least not until phase 4 is over |
| [18:25] | <JoeBorn> | (well, I guess I missed a step you have to exchange your 442) |
| [18:25] | <JoeBorn> | good point |
| [18:25] | <Eagle_Fire> | i'll send it out tomorrow |
| [18:25] | <Eagle_Fire> | either way i know how to encode video for the 442 |
| [18:25] | <Eagle_Fire> | and make it work |
| [18:26] | <JoeBorn> | 5. throw something up on your website |
| [18:26] | <Eagle_Fire> | if there's anything i'm good at, it's throwing things up |
| [18:26] | <JoeBorn> | 6. receive fame and riches |
| [18:26] | <JoeBorn> | (we're not responsible for #6) |
| [18:26] | <Eagle_Fire> | yay |
| [18:26] | <JoeBorn> | but actually, we do have an affiliate program now. |
| [18:27] | <Eagle_Fire> | i'm actually helping produce a video blog for Gear Live (they own Gizmodo) and I can totally get a segment on there |
| [18:27] | <Eagle_Fire> | ooh, affiliate |
| [18:27] | <nerochiaro> | JoeBorn: time ago there were talks about getting EU distributors for Neuros stuff. What happened to that idea ? |
| [18:28] | <JoeBorn> | well, we have a distributor in the UK |
| [18:28] | <JoeBorn> | and Collin is going to Cebit and actually we talked to a distributor from Italy today |
| [18:29] | <nerochiaro> | any details on that ? |
| [18:29] | <JoeBorn> | on the Italian guy? |
| [18:29] | <nerochiaro> | yeah, sorry |
| [18:29] | <JoeBorn> | I'm asking now. |
| [18:30] | <JoeBorn> | so, nate what do you think? |
| [18:30] | <JoeBorn> | e-motion.it is the italian distributor |
| [18:30] | <JoeBorn> | we have not closed anything with him, just talking. |
| [18:30] | <JoeBorn> | but feel free to hound him if you like, it can only help I think |
| [18:31] | <JoeBorn> | well, not hounding, but you get the idea |
| [18:31] | <Eagle_Fire> | Joe, i'd be glad to do it |
| [18:31] | <Eagle_Fire> | would you also be interested in me developing a recording solution for PC-based PVR cards? Generic PVR cards have woefully inadequate software |
| [18:32] | <Eagle_Fire> | most of them, however, do implement the generic WDM tv tuner model and can thus be operated by common software |
| [18:32] | <JoeBorn> | sure, why not? |
| [18:32] | <Eagle_Fire> | hooray |
| [18:32] | <nerochiaro> | they seem to be a large distributor of electronics that provides stuff for malls and electronic store chains |
| [18:33] | <Eagle_Fire> | anyhow, that'll probably take a while |
| [18:33] | <Eagle_Fire> | i do want to take the dev board and make an in-car version of the 442 |
| [18:33] | <Eagle_Fire> | with a redone interface for car-optimized |
| [18:33] | <Eagle_Fire> | it'll be pretty much an ipod clone |
| [18:33] | <Eagle_Fire> | but better |
| [18:33] | <Eagle_Fire> | since i don't have an ipod |
| [18:33] | <Eagle_Fire> | i won't be limited by it |
| [18:33] | <nerochiaro> | JoeBorn: so basically people never deal with them directly. hounding them won't be worth much |
| [18:34] | <JoeBorn> | well, if you really do have time to start with the tivo thing, I'll get you a tivo2 |
| [18:34] | <Eagle_Fire> | i sure do |
| [18:34] | <JoeBorn> | nero: that's right. |
| [18:36] | <Eagle_Fire> | also it would be much appreciated if you could "expedite" my 442 exchange |
| [18:36] | <JoeBorn> | no problem, they can cross ship a unit to you. |
| [18:36] | <Eagle_Fire> | sweet |
| [18:36] | <Eagle_Fire> | you're the best |
| [18:36] | <nerochiaro> | JoeBorn: it's good for you as a company since you get wider distribution, but bad for the small fish because A) they get 2 markups in price, one from them, one from the mall and B) because they don't have friendly support |
| [18:37] | <nerochiaro> | because that's handed off to the mall |
| [18:37] | <nerochiaro> | which usually suck in the PR department |
| [18:37] | <JoeBorn> | what do you mean, small fish? |
| [18:38] | <Eagle_Fire> | "europe" |
| [18:38] | <nerochiaro> | Eagle_Fire: beep! i meant us, the users |
| [18:39] | <nerochiaro> | also you target to a geek market, and these large electronics stores are not famous for catering to geeks |
| [18:39] | <nerochiaro> | "consumer electronics stores" |
| [18:39] | <nerochiaro> | or whatever is the right term in english |
| [18:39] | <Eagle_Fire> | unfortunately there are no stores that really cater to geeks |
| [18:39] | <Eagle_Fire> | except for discount computer stores |
| [18:40] | <Eagle_Fire> | and they don't carry brand names |
| [18:40] | <nerochiaro> | Eagle_Fire: small computer stores usually are more geek-friendly around here |
| [18:41] | <nerochiaro> | they even have technical personnel that doesn't suck |
| [18:41] | <Eagle_Fire> | yeah |
| [18:41] | <JoeBorn> | well, nero, you are right. if you have suggestions for appropriate distributors, please let us know. |
| [18:42] | <JoeBorn> | or if you go to any of those small stores, you can ask them who they reccomend. |
| [18:42] | <JoeBorn> | So, Nate |
| [18:43] | <JoeBorn> | do you want the Tivo service? |
| [18:43] | <Eagle_Fire> | sure |
| [18:43] | <nerochiaro> | JoeBorn: what do you mean with asking who they reccomend ? as a distributor ? |
| [18:43] | <JoeBorn> | nero: yes |
| [18:44] | <nerochiaro> | i can try. i'll let you know if i find anything |
| [18:45] | <JoeBorn> | well, if you happen to visit a store or whatever, don't go out of your way |
| [18:45] | <JoeBorn> | so, Nate, I'm not entirely sure how to proceed since tivo works on a kind of rebate system |
| [18:45] | <JoeBorn> | www.buy.com |
| [18:45] | <nerochiaro> | JoeBorn: of course. if i happen to be somewhere where i can ask, i'll do |
| [18:46] | <Eagle_Fire> | hmm |
| [18:46] | <nerochiaro> | i'll be off to bed not. have a nice tivo everyone |
| [18:46] | <Eagle_Fire> | i'd say buy it, and send in the rebates yourself (or in the name of the company, not sure how that works) |
| [18:46] | <Eagle_Fire> | then ship it to me |
| [18:47] | <JoeBorn> | well, the rebates seem tied to signing up for the service |
| [18:47] | <Eagle_Fire> | ok, let me look at this real quick |
| [18:49] | <Eagle_Fire> | how much does tivo service cost? |
| [18:49] | <Eagle_Fire> | ah, here it is |
| [18:49] | <Eagle_Fire> | $13/mo |
| [18:52] | <Eagle_Fire> | 1-year commitment required |
| [18:53] | <JoeBorn> | so basically we can give you a free tivo and a free year of service if we buy you a unit and let you keep the rebate I guess |
| [18:55] | <Eagle_Fire> | what does "Not valid for pre-owned, second party, demo, or display DVRs" mean |
| [18:56] | <JoeBorn> | I think we should just send you a check adn let you buy the unit and take the rebate |
| [18:56] | <Eagle_Fire> | that might be the easiest way |
| [18:56] | <JoeBorn> | who knows what they will do if the receipt name doesn't match the service. |
| [18:57] | <Eagle_Fire> | likely withhold the rebate, i suppose |
| [18:58] | <JoeBorn> | I'm sure there's a big sign at all these rebate companies posted high over head |
| [18:58] | <JoeBorn> | "WHEN IN DOUBT, SCREW 'EM!" |
| [18:59] | <Eagle_Fire> | says wait 10 to 12 weeks from qualification |
| [18:59] | <JoeBorn> | right. |
| [18:59] | <Eagle_Fire> | that's +8 weeks too because 1 month trial and 1 month subscribed required |
| [18:59] | <Eagle_Fire> | so 18 to 20 weeks, up to 5 months |
| [18:59] | <JoeBorn> | pretty impressive! |
| [19:00] | <JoeBorn> | well, I'm just thinking that we'd just send you a check for $300 or something, so that worst comes to worst |
| [19:00] | <Eagle_Fire> | that'd work out |
| [19:00] | <JoeBorn> | you won't lose money |
| [19:01] | <Eagle_Fire> | always a plus |
| [19:01] | <JoeBorn> | right |
| [19:04] | <JoeBorn> | Well, let me know how you want to proceed. |
| [19:06] | <Eagle_Fire> | go on and toss me a check / new 442 in the mail, when i get it i'll let you know and give you progress updates on my progress as it progresses |
| [19:07] | <JoeBorn> | ok, sounds good, customer service will do the replacement deal and they'll send you a label, etc |
| [19:07] | <Eagle_Fire> | they just told me to ship it |
| [19:08] | <Eagle_Fire> | We highly recommend that you use a tracking number on your return to |
| [19:08] | <Eagle_Fire> | confirm delivery if needed. Neuros Audio, LLC will not be responsible |
| [19:08] | <Eagle_Fire> | for lost or missing items. |
| [19:08] | <Eagle_Fire> | Please return it to the following address: |
| [19:08] | <JoeBorn> | ok, send me an email |
| [19:09] | <Eagle_Fire> | sure thing |
| [19:11] | <Eagle_Fire> | jborn@neuroasjiodanf.com right? |
| [19:12] | <JoeBorn> | um, I think so :/ |
| [19:14] | <Eagle_Fire> | alright then |
| [19:15] | <JoeBorn> | I got it. |
| [19:15] | <Eagle_Fire> | i suppose i should buy it soon though so as not to expire that rebay |
| [19:15] | <Eagle_Fire> | *rebate |
| [19:18] | <JoeBorn> | well, we should get that stuff out tomorrow. |
| [19:18] | <Eagle_Fire> | thanks |
| [19:53] | <JoeBorn> | well, let me know if you have any questions. |
| [19:53] | <JoeBorn> | I'm eager to follow your instructions once you get it working. |
| [19:54] | <Eagle_Fire> | yessir |
| [20:05] | <JoeBorn> | ok talk to you all later then! |
| [22:13] | * MiS is away: hrrrrr | |