Log from #neuros IRC channel

NC-17: for the N3 i'm interested in more pratical things like the buttons layout etc. the looks is not terribly important to me (or i wouldn't own an n2)

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<Inc>

NC-17, I think I've seen you in maybe bbl lean?

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<NC-17>

yes

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<NC-17>

thats me

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<NC-17>

#bb4win

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<Inc>

hah thought so.

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<Inc>

how did you enjoy your n2?

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<NC-17>

under the covers

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<NC-17>

i mean... listening to lots of music

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<NC-17>

everything on random quite often

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<NC-17>

commuting

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heh

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brb 15

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<NC-17>

myfi in my car mostly

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<Inc>

heh

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<NC-17>

nerochiaro: i agree, i want to be able to use the unit first and foremost

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<NC-17>

it could be bright green as long as its comfortable

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<Inc>

wait

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<Inc>

who has the 442?

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<NC-17>

nicht mich

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<Inc>

ic. I wanted a personal review of it if that will do any good

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<Inc>

though I may actually have to try it

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<NC-17>

i just had an N1/N1+usb2 backpack/N2, its more my bag, baby

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<Inc>

heh

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you can always return it for a refund, no questions asked. it's standard policy.

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<Inc>

hmmm

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within 30 days, sometimes substantially more.

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for Gamma

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<Inc>

Ic

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<Inc>

and you guy's are all linux based?

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JoeBorn: i was wondering, if this is not something reserved: how many people in percentage take advantage of that return policy ?

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Inc: from what i have seen so far it's really a mixed bag

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<Inc>

honestly I'm not sure how you guy's have funding for an app like this

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Inc: unless you mean the software on the new 442 ?

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I don't know exact percentages, you mean for the 442, nero?

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<Inc>

I'm meaning the firmware

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Inc: funding?

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JoeBorn: in general for all the products so far

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oh, well it varies hugely, like the quality problem periods

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JoeBorn: remember these. thankfully they should be over now

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but generally, surprisingly low under 5%

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not bad

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yes, those seem to be well behind us, we changed a lot of things.

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<Inc>

JoeBorn, yeh like payment for your developers

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oh, well we are hardware manufacturers, we make margin on the hardware.

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Inc: as firmware goes, the new 442 will be the first linux-based. so far it's been on a proprietary TI platform

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<Inc>

Ic

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Inc: it was open source but with all the problems connected to dealing with a closed minded vendor like TI (proprietary compiler, libraries etc)

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<Inc>

Ic

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<NC-17>

hey Joe, unrelated... is the whole Disc Dr. thing managed by a different subsidiary of DI, or...?

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in short: open but painful to develop for

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NC-17: isn't DI a separate company from NA/NT now ?

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<NC-17>

oh. ah...

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<NC-17>

havent really been following :)

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NC-17: i might be wrong, eh

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DI is separate, but owns about 15% of Neuros, or something like that

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back

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Collin Anderson (president of Neuros) and I

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are still the two largest shareholders of DI.

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skipdoctor is still the majority of DI's sales, but they do have some new stuff that's coming up.

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i had a skipdr ages ago, broke like.. 3 weeks in :D

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but apparantley i have $150 of their stuff on it's way to my door right about now, we'll see what stuff it is

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<NC-17>

thx Joe, thats the sort of stuff my curiosity was after. found it interesting and wondered how the internals of the companies were working out

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adamti91: the exciting life of a reviewer, eh ? ;)

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no, that's from winning the survey prize :D. the reviewing gets boring. 3 products in three weeks (recorder 2, mobiblu ddah-1500i, mpio one, more mpio's on the way)

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speaking of MPIO, do you guys have any flash players in development

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adam: not yet.

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<Inc>

flash players are shit

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<NC-17>

im not sure you can store audio on that medium =\

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obviously wouldn't be hard to develop using the platform.

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why are they shit inc? they are a better medium than Dard drives, and samsung just introduced 32GB NAND flash. actuall products like that capacity we could buy are a year or so off

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NC-17..are you kidding?

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<Inc>

adamti91, because I have no need for a little flash drive

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<NC-17>

my comment was a joke :)

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ah

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didn't see the smiley

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smileys don't show up in gaim all the time

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and smileys are the only way to convey sarcasm online :D

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not true

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<NC-17>

well, its was a smiley really...

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<sarcasm>hahah</sarcasm>

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<NC-17>

it was a '=' + '\'

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#define SARCASM 1

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heh

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<NC-17>

if you get those two chars

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set sarcasm = on

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<NC-17>

$sarcasm = true;

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heh

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don't even show me .css, i hate using it

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<NC-17>

hehe

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<NC-17>

]

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<NC-17>

(sarcasm)casting

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<NC-17>

must be some decent OO representation...

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hey Joe, do I have to send the review unit of the Recorder 2 back?

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NC-17: Sarcasm.new("sentence")

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NC-17: new SarcasticSentence("text"); if you're all C++'ish ;)

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<NC-17>

yes... or maybe this.toSarcasm(); or some such thing

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"sentence".toSarcasm() sounds more like javascript

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<NC-17>

yeh

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anyway...

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* nerochiaro admires the fine art of shooting the breeze

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haha

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but flash drives will be interesting for players only when they can reach sizes comparables to hdds

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especially considering how more people are shifting to lossless formats these days

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yeah, Samsung released a 32GB NAND type flash drive

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i mean, better battery life, you can run with them

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<NC-17>

thats really what i got mine for

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adamti91: i think they have a definite market with these large sizes. but aren't still too pricey now

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?

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<NC-17>

to run with. its small, and i dont have to worry about killing the hdd

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yeah, but prices will def. fall eventually

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NC-17: i try to avoid running if i can, but the idea of not having moving parts appeals me to no end

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NC-17: not to mention the fact it doesn't whirr in the middle of a recording

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<NC-17>

i still would prefer a hdd for pure storage space for anything else

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<NC-17>

ah that too...

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adamti91: eventually is still a couple years from now

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adam: who sent you the unit? I doubt they will hound you if you want to hold on to it.

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adamti91: before they become viable for the masses

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Johan, and OK

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nice :D

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probably if we want an R3, someone will ask for it back or something like that.

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ok, that's fine

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any time frame for an actual release of the 442v2? the open source just seems so cool

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bye

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sorry, distracted with fedora install

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no problem.

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mid year for 442v2

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probably start out with a limited release, largely to folks on this channel, etc

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so it's 3 months down the road more or less ?

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yep.

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im scared of dual boots, everytime i try to uninstall the suse partition (after unscuccesfully trying to get wireless to work) i manage to mess up grub instead of deleting it, and I have to reformat and reinstall windows (thus backing up 60GB of media before hand, all on DVDs, with no external hard drive..)

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nero: you'll be among the first on the list

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yes, well, I removed my old HD for just that reason.

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adamti91: you can keep grub and xp

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adamti91: just chainlink from grub and set the default to start xp after 1 sec timeout

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yeah, but apparantley i don't know how, i think i'm off of linux for awhile, and i prefer my iMac's OS X to anything else, especially XP (what I'm on now)

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so what's everyone up to? I'm watching *****LEGALLY AQUIRED**** reruns of House, first season

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JoeBorn: thanks. i was just asking out of curiosity however. haven't seen a timeframe posted on the ML recently, that's just it.

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on a totally unreleated note, what is neuros

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stance on file sharing, i read the digital right thing

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for fair use, against piracy

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that's good (closes various torrent clients), I bought my own cd last week... baby steps...

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adamti91: just out of curiosity, were you expecting a different answer ?

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can I ask stupid Linux installation questions here?

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no, i mean since they have all the stuff on the recorder 2 being you know, defying itunes, etc. i was just curious

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JoeBorn: why not, at worst no one will answer.

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at worst, everyone will leave and the channel will be ruined, I'm not worried about being ignored

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JoeBorn: i mean, you can't be OT when the chan topic can't be modified by anyone (and everyone hatesthe current one)

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me first

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heh, i wondered why there were no OPS

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hey

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DeepB is around, ask him to change it.

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adamti91: long story

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so i've heard :D

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JoeBorn: nope, he can't anymore. the only one was edbgone and he disappeared in a puff of logic lots of time ago

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just a second after messing with the permissions

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what about the freenode official stuff we talked about?

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I actually got a call from someone from freenode a couple months ago, but they left no number to call.

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not bad

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JoeBorn: we asked freenode to reset our channel ownership but their beurocracy seems to be something that gives the soviets nightmares at night

oops

wrong irc

ugh!

well, I did get a call from them. I guess we need to poke them again.

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we really need a sysadmin.

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I'm talking with some folks.

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JoeBorn: JoshMalone tried for a month to get in touch with everyone and their dog at freenode (including lilo himself) but had no luck

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wow, that's terrible.

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so I've been instructed that to install dual boot, I should start with fedora first.

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maybe they had problems, i don't know, but from an outsider's perspective it looks bad. (and i like freenode generally)

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now it's prompting me with boot loade questions.

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mmmmmm Le Petit Ecolier chocolate cookies

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really ? isn't better to first install xp ?

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Joe: all I could find is a press number freenode.net

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<NC-17>

you can usually just pm lilo if he's on

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<NC-17>

support@freenode.net you can email

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<NC-17>

there's some way to list active ircops...

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NC-17: also "/stat p" will give you the list of ops on roster

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<NC-17>

thats it

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Yello?

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<NC-17>

Brown

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I sent a mail to Josh.

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Grun!

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<NC-17>

Rouge

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NC-17: we tried speaking with some ops, and they were kind, but everyone said "i'm not the one handling channel registrations, talk to someone else"

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basically

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<NC-17>

without saying who to speak to