[01:28]	<Inc>	'night
[12:32]	<JoeBorn>	I had an idea
[12:32]	<JoeBorn>	sorry, regarding my dual boot situation
[12:33]	<JoeBorn>	can I just partition my drive when it's in an external enclosure and then copy my current windows install to it?
[12:33]	<JoeBorn>	anyone know how to do that?
[12:34]	<JoeBorn>	sorry to all for clogging the IRC with this, but I will be eternally grateful to all for your help
[13:04]	<JoshMalone>	you could use norton ghost
[13:04]	<JoshMalone>	or g4u (ghost-4-unix)
[13:13]	<JoeBorn>	well, I don't need to ghost the HD, just partion it
[13:13]	<JoeBorn>	then I can just copy the files from one to another.
[13:13]	<JoeBorn>	in fact, I don't want to ghost since my old install only has a single NTFS partition
[13:18]	<JoshMalone>	:)
[13:21]	<JoeBorn>	is there a simpler tool for just partitioning an external HD?
[13:22]	<JoshMalone>	fdisk :)
[13:23]	<JoshMalone>	btw - ups says the board is delivered :)
[13:27]	<Inc>	JoeBorn, ping
[13:28]	<JoeBorn>	JoshMalone: yay!
[13:28]	<Inc>	JoeBorn, do you still need help?
[13:28]	<JoeBorn>	Inc: I will need help until the day I die!
[13:28]	<JoshMalone>	lol
[13:28]	<Inc>	heh.
[13:29]	<Inc>	JoeBorn, did you get xp installin?
[13:29]	<JoeBorn>	no, but I was thinking of a different approach that would kill two birds with one stone.
[13:29]	<Inc>	what's that?
[13:29]	<Inc>	ubuntu ;)?
[13:29]	<JoeBorn>	if I partion the drive and then just copy over the old windows installation
[13:30]	<Inc>	hmm
[13:30]	<Inc>	I'm not sure that would work
[13:30]	<JoeBorn>	I wouldn't have to re-configure the whole windows box and re-install all the programs.
[13:30]	<JoeBorn>	why not?
[13:30]	<Inc>	you mean just copy the files windows uses to run?
[13:30]	<JoeBorn>	JoshMalone: what do you mean fdisk?
[13:31]	<JoshMalone>	you'd need to use ghost to make that work
[13:31]	<Inc>	JoeBorn, it's a partition program
[13:31]	<JoshMalone>	partition the disk with disk manager in windos then
[13:31]	<JoeBorn>	Inc: no I mean copying every file from from the old drive to the new partition on the new drive
[13:31]	<Inc>	and not installing windows just using that windows?
[13:31]	<JoshMalone>	then use ghost to copy your _current_ windows partitoin to the partition on the external drive
[13:31]	<Inc>	I see.
[13:32]	<JoeBorn>	what is "ghost?"
[13:32]	<Inc>	I think the problem is your cd drive though
[13:32]	<JoeBorn>	I think you are right.\
[13:32]	<Inc>	JoeBorn, ghost = norton ghost (I believe that's what your talking about)
[13:32]	<Inc>	cd drives are cheap then again though it's a laptop
[13:32]	<JoshMalone>	www.feyrer.de
[13:32]	<Inc>	maybe you could just run the external one
[13:32]	<JoshMalone>	download and burn the iso; boot from that Cd
[13:33]	<Inc>	hyeh
[13:34]	<JoeBorn>	why do I need ghost? can't I do it all just using HD enclosures? copy from one drive to another with file explorer?
[13:34]	<JoshMalone>	copying like that wont keep windows intact
[13:34]	<JoeBorn>	it won't?
[13:34]	<JoshMalone>	even windows backup can't restore a working windows system :(
[13:35]	<JoshMalone>	no - hence the need for ghost
[13:40]	<JoeBorn>	I can't find disk manager, sorry :(
[13:42]	<JoeBorn>	found it.
[13:49]	<Inc>	coool.
[13:49]	<Inc>	err *Cool
[13:57]	<adamti91>	hey
[13:58]	<Inc>	hi
[14:11]	<adamti91>	what's up?
[14:11]	<Inc>	nada
[14:11]	<Inc>	just codin some python
[14:11]	<adamti91>	fun
[14:12]	<Inc>	yup
[14:41]	<adamti91>	i barely know anything about coding
[14:41]	<Inc>	heh
[14:41]	<adamti91>	I can do some .css, .php and .html, mostly web stuff
[14:41]	<adamti91>	very basic though
[14:41]	<Inc>	I see
[14:42]	<adamti91>	wb
[14:54]	<adamti91>	wb. again
[15:07]	<JoeBorn>	anyone know how to format a disc FAT32 from XP?
[15:08]	<JoshMalone>	use the disk manager format command and select FAT32 as the filesystem
[15:09]	<Inc>	beat me to it
[15:09]	<adamti91>	yeah, use erm... partition magic
[15:11]	<adamti91>	by norton
[15:13]	<Inc>	wtf why is MSHA hitting my site
[15:13]	<Inc>	www.msha.gov
[15:13]	<adamti91>	whats yuour site?
[15:13]	<Inc>	inc-corporate.org
[15:14]	<adamti91>	redirects to arcane
[15:15]	<Inc>	yeh because that's the linux distro I work with.
[15:15]	<Inc>	and I have nothing on my site yet
[15:15]	<adamti91>	ah
[15:15]	<adamti91>	thats cool
[15:16]	<adamti91>	my only site is www.diabolikal.org which im thinking of leaving, just leaving the internet in general, i spend WAY too much time on it
[15:19]	<Inc>	heh.
[15:21]	<NC-17>	www.ratednc-17.com is mine, with the threats from the MPAA to boot :)
[15:21]	<Inc>	hahaha
[15:21]	<Inc>	why?
[15:22]	<NC-17>	trademark infringement i believe
[15:22]	<Inc>	of what?
[15:22]	<NC-17>	cant remember the exact phrases
[15:22]	<NC-17>	i have the letter on my hard drive
[15:22]	<NC-17>	of their trademark NC-17
[15:22]	<Inc>	are you distributing something or what not.
[15:22]	<NC-17>	nope.
[15:22]	<Inc>	hahaha
[15:22]	<NC-17>	i wasn't infringing
[15:22]	<NC-17>	i had fair use
[15:23]	<NC-17>	so I told them where to go, and they never contacted me again.
[15:23]	<NC-17>	they were just bullying to see if they could get the domain
[15:23]	<Inc>	hah
[15:23]	<NC-17>	and also preventing dilution of their trademark
[15:23]	<NC-17>	by showing they police it
[15:23]	<Inc>	:).
[15:27]	<adamti91>	that sucks
[15:33]	<JoeBorn>	if anyone lives near san diego, let me know
[15:33]	<JoshMalone>	looking for a place to crash?
[15:33]	<JoeBorn>	we're exhibiting at this desktoplinuxsummit.com
[15:34]	<JoeBorn>	I have free passes
[15:34]	<JoshMalone>	sweet
[15:34]	<adamti91>	nope., upstate NY here
[15:34]	<JoeBorn>	I'm going to give a talk on how I tried to install fedora on an old laptop
[15:35]	<JoshMalone>	did you suceed?
[15:35]	<JoeBorn>	I think that will really have folks on the edge of their seats
[15:35]	<JoeBorn>	see! suspense already!
[15:35]	* JoshMalone  shivers with antici....
[15:36]	<JoshMalone>	pation
[15:36]	<JoshMalone>	there!
[15:36]	<JoshMalone>	my backup script is dnoe :)
[15:36]	<JoshMalone>	done
[15:37]	<Inc>	heh
[15:37]	<JoeBorn>	I think the final image I will leave them with is of my Dell taking a nice bath in the tub.
[15:38]	<adamti91>	should I quit my website and make my own? or stay through the toiugh beginnings untill we acutally have a user base, (which is looking like never now)
[15:38]	<JoshMalone>	LOL
[15:38]	<JoeBorn>	well, you need some patience, it takes time
[15:38]	<adamti91>	i have 5 of my own reviews, i couls start my own
[15:38]	<adamti91>	haha Joe
[15:38]	* JoshMalone  read that as "me taking a bath in the tub with my Dell"
[15:38]	<adamti91>	in the bath tub
[15:39]	<JoeBorn>	that's an alternate thought, the image of me taking a bath or shower with the laptop and then bitterly complaining when the computer won't boot
[15:39]	<JoeBorn>	"these computers are crap!"
[15:41]	<srobertson>	Dell Computers: almost waterproof.
[15:41]	<srobertson>	it's those modifiers that get you.
[15:42]	<srobertson>	NC-17: did the domain come after the nick, or at the same time?
[15:45]	<adamti91>	Joe, I have a business idea. When the N3 is finally releseased, package it with the current Recorder model (or as a higher priced option). Advertise that it is the complete package, as opposed to the current iPod, which you need to buy video seperatley.
[15:45]	<adamti91>	Of course by then iPods will have tasers and coffee makers built in
[15:45]	<adamti91>	no radio or recording yet though
[15:46]	<srobertson>	the iPod Taser will truly be a visionary entertainment device.
[15:46]	<srobertson>	Apple has transcended the boundaries of pre-recorded material, enabling live content generation on-the-fly.
[15:47]	<srobertson>	In addition, voltage can be controlled through the use of the patented ClickWheel.
[15:48]	<srobertson>	Comes in a tasteful black or white packaging. Prongs are anodized aluminum.
[15:49]	<JoeBorn>	it says the volume is too big!
[15:49]	<srobertson>	What size is it?
[15:50]	<srobertson>	In theory, this should support a total of approximately 268,435,438 (< 228) clusters, allowing for drive sizes in the range of 2 terabytes. However, due to limitations in Microsoft's scandisk utility, the FAT is not allowed to grow beyond 4,177,920 (< 222) clusters, placing the volume limit at 124.55 gigabytes, unless "scandisk" is not needed [3]. << Wikipedia
[15:50]	<JoeBorn>	45GB
[15:50]	<srobertson>	And it's fat32, not fat16?
[15:51]	<JoeBorn>	fat32, maybe I have to change the cluster size?
[15:52]	<JoeBorn>	or sector size...
[15:52]	<srobertson>	Sector size is hardware.
[15:53]	<srobertson>	Try a cluster size of 16KiB.
[15:54]	<srobertson>	I missed the discussion earlier. Why FAT32?
[15:58]	<JoeBorn>	dual boot system
[15:58]	<srobertson>	XP/Linux?
[15:58]	<JoeBorn>	fat32 for windows XP so that linux can access that volume
[15:58]	<JoshMalone>	well - I'm off
[15:58]	<JoeBorn>	yep
[15:58]	<JoshMalone>	l8rz all
[15:58]	<JoeBorn>	late
[15:58]	<JoeBorn>	later
[15:59]	<srobertson>	Because Linux 2.6.14 or something has full NTFS write support now.
[15:59]	<JoeBorn>	well, I heard it requires some monkeying around with.
[16:00]	<srobertson>	not a ton, but it can.
[16:00]	<srobertson>	one other option exists, aside from either of those:
[16:00]	<srobertson>	there's several good ext2 / ext3 drivers for windows.
[16:01]	<srobertson>	just make a big ext3 partition, and install one of those drivers on 'doze. it's more stable and probably faster.
[16:01]	<srobertson>	www.fs-driver.org
[16:02]	<srobertson>	is my favorite (it's free as in beer, not as in speech, but it is very stable)
[16:06]	<JoeBorn>	don't I at least need a small partition for the bootloader?
[16:06]	<srobertson>	oh, you want to put your whole OS on FAT32.
[16:06]	<srobertson>	Sorry, I was thinking along the lines of "system on NTFS, data on FAT32"
[16:07]	<srobertson>	yeah, you're correct, either a fat32 or NTFS partition is required. I would highly recommend NTFS for XP's core partition.
[16:07]	* srobertson  is away: BRB
[16:11]	<adamti91>	noooooo
[16:11]	<adamti91>	im out of ramen
[16:12]	<JoeBorn>	srobertson: how many partitions total?
[16:19]	<adamti91>	what should i eat?
[16:20]	<JoeBorn>	eggs!
[16:20]	<JoeBorn>	eggs are like ten cents each!
[16:21]	<JoeBorn>	srobertson: what's the problem with FAT32?
[16:21]	<adamti91>	im thinking some bread
[16:21]	<adamti91>	or ramen, maybe ill go search the basement for some ramen
[16:23]	<srobertson>	JoeBorn: for 45GB? I'd say, use 15-20G for Windows apps, 25-30 for shared data.
[16:23]	<JoeBorn>	the whole drive is 80GB
[16:23]	<JoeBorn>	what's the issue with FAT32?
[16:24]	<Inc>	nothing
[16:25]	<srobertson>	nothing except personal experience.
[16:26]	<adamti91>	still trying to install fedora im guesing Joe?
[16:26]	* srobertson  still recommends Gentoo
[16:27]	<adamti91>	suse is the easiest
[16:27]	<adamti91>	its got a graphical installer, yast, and has the most creature comforts
[16:28]	<srobertson>	but in any case...
[16:29]	<Inc>	srobertson, no on gentoo
[16:29]	<Inc>	gentoo is evil
[16:29]	<srobertson>	Inc: why's that, then?
[16:29]	<Inc>	I'm a bit biased but I like arcane ;)
[16:29]	<Inc>	srobertson, because I just don't
[16:30]	<srobertson>	JoeBorn: if FAT32 works for you, then by all means use it.
[16:30]	<srobertson>	Inc: I can respect that.
[16:36]	<JoeBorn>	you tell me, why won't it work?
[16:37]	<srobertson>	it *should* work, there's no reason you shouldn't give it a try (unless it's a multi-user system).
[16:38]	<srobertson>	but if it doesn't work with a little bit of fiddling, the other options which would now be on equal footing in terms of required amount of fiddling offer better capabilities.
[16:41]	<adamti91>	well, i'm off
[16:41]	<adamti91>	searching for some food
[16:43]	<JoeBorn>	it still says "volume is too big for FAT32"
[16:43]	<JoeBorn>	45GB
[17:03]	<JoeBorn>	later all