[12:37]	<JoeBorn>	finally got Tivo2go running.
[12:56]	<Inc>	woohoo
[13:00]	<JoshMalone>	dangit - this board is ignoring my input
[13:27]	<JoeBorn>	uh oh!
[13:30]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: what ?
[13:32]	<JoeBorn>	Sorry "JoshMalone: uh oh" is what I should have said
[13:41]	<JoshMalone>	gotta go wrangle a ethernet cable and a different serial adapter
[13:41]	<JoshMalone>	figure out whats wrong...
[13:41]	<JoshMalone>	bbl8r
[13:43]	<JoeBorn>	how much consideration do I have to give to Linux compatibility when buying a new Dell laptop?
[13:45]	<Inc>	not much
[13:45]	<Inc>	but dells suck
[13:45]	<Inc>	they are over priced
[13:46]	<Inc>	it's all I guess what oyu will be using it for and your budget
[14:35]	<JoshMalone>	okay - serial port on work PC works
[14:35]	<JoshMalone>	dangit
[14:43]	<JoshMalone>	grrrr....can't change the baud rate
[14:45]	* JoeBorn  bites nails in anticipation
[15:07]	<JoshMalone>	man this board resets quick
[15:07]	<nerochiaro>	how quick ?
[15:09]	<JoshMalone>	< .5 seconds
[15:09]	<JoshMalone>	just to get uboot running again
[15:09]	<JoshMalone>	u-boot was quite slow on ADS boards
[15:11]	<JoeBorn>	what's the total bootup time now?
[15:11]	<JoshMalone>	not sure - wont boot yet :)
[15:11]	<JoeBorn>	so total bootup time is 2 days and counting or something, seems slow.
[15:12]	<JoshMalone>	lol
[15:17]	<JoshMalone>	installing tftp server on lappy now :)
[15:17]	<JoshMalone>	we;'ll get it up
[15:17]	* JoshMalone  needs to update u-boot w/ one that supports a baud rate my USb serial works right with
[15:17]	<JoshMalone>	....
[15:26]	<JoeBorn>	tftp server is some kind of ftp server, I assume?
[15:26]	<JoshMalone>	trivial ftp :)
[15:27]	<JoshMalone>	boot protocol used by low-level bootloaders to fetch files
[15:27]	<JoeBorn>	oh, interesting.
[15:28]	<JoshMalone>	finally!!!
[15:28]	<JoshMalone>	stupid ifplugd was dropping the ethernet interface on my laptop
[15:28]	<JoshMalone>	programming flash now :)
[15:30]	<JoshMalone>	www.cv.nrao.edu
[15:30]	<JoshMalone>	session log from my terminal
[15:30]	<JoshMalone>	see the boot process if anybody's interested
[15:33]	<JoshMalone>	hold on
[15:34]	<nerochiaro>	what were these access violations on TFTP ?
[15:34]	<JoeBorn>	URL doesn't work yet, I guess.
[15:34]	<JoshMalone>	fixed : try this:
[15:34]	<JoshMalone>	www.cv.nrao.edu
[15:35]	<JoshMalone>	nerochiaro: that was my laptop's tftp server messed up
[15:35]	<nerochiaro>	ah, ok
[15:36]	<JoshMalone>	now booting linux :)
[15:36]	<JoshMalone>	refresh the page
[15:37]	<JoshMalone>	guess I shouldn't have stripped the modules, huh? :)
[15:38]	<nerochiaro>	yeah, looks like it didn't like that
[15:38]	<nerochiaro>	you said you stripped them to save space ?
[15:38]	<JoshMalone>	had to
[15:38]	<JoshMalone>	ramdisk is only 3megs compressed
[15:38]	<JoshMalone>	thats okay
[15:39]	<JoshMalone>	linux sees the CF card fine - I can mount root from ext2 on CF
[15:40]	<nerochiaro>	speaking of the CF card, you used one of your own ?
[15:40]	<JoshMalone>	yeah
[15:41]	<nerochiaro>	need to get a cheapo one off of ebay then. i have only SD cards lying around
[15:42]	<JoshMalone>	it has SD slot
[15:42]	<JoshMalone>	not sure if ti work in linux yet
[15:42]	<JoshMalone>	I have no SD card to test with
[15:43]	<nerochiaro>	hmm, i'll ask in ML
[15:43]	<Inc>	zoom
[15:43]	<Inc>	who's nerochiaro ?
[15:43]	<nerochiaro>	me ?
[15:43]	<JoshMalone>	mounted my microdrive
[15:43]	<JoshMalone>	refresh page
[15:43]	<Inc>	yes you.
[15:43]	* Inc  just was curious.
[15:44]	<JoeBorn>	nerochiaro is one of the original neuros hackers
[15:44]	<Inc>	I see cool.
[15:44]	<JoeBorn>	probably one of hte most senior people here.
[15:44]	<Inc>	hehe
[15:44]	<JoeBorn>	much more interested in audio than video tho.
[15:45]	<Inc>	JoeBorn, your lokoking for a laptop?
[15:45]	<nerochiaro>	Inc: it just looked like a strange question
[15:45]	<Inc>	*looking
[15:45]	<Inc>	nerochiaro, no wories seeing nero made me think of neuros so I wondered if you were involved with them
[15:45]	<Inc>	plus your in teh topic
[15:45]	<JoeBorn>	but, actually since you asked, Inc, who are you and how did you come across us?
[15:46]	<JoeBorn>	Inc: yep, I'm looking for a laptop (for obvious reasons)
[15:46]	<nerochiaro>	Inc: yeah, i've tried to get that topic removed since forever, but it's going to be impossible. anyway, no, i don't work for neuros
[15:47]	<JoeBorn>	Nero: we'll get it changed, it will just take some persistance.
[15:47]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: i'm starting to give up
[15:48]	<Inc>	well I was looking for PMP. Specifically linux ones weighing all my options. Ran into something about neuros somewhere checked out the site and figured Id join to learn more about it. I do some development in linux specifically on arcane and do some programing and though this might be fun to look at for being apple to code some stuff for an application. I ran into someone mentioning joeborn I said who's he because adamsomethingorother mentionted you and h
[15:48]	<Inc>	That's about all.
[15:48]	<nerochiaro>	JoshMalone: why your ls output has these weird char codes in it ?
[15:49]	<nerochiaro>	JoshMalone: or is it an artifact of the browser ?
[15:49]	<JoshMalone>	artifact of raw ascii dump
[15:49]	<JoshMalone>	those are bksp :)
[15:49]	* Inc  is curious when apples speech will be.
[15:49]	<JoeBorn>	Inc: cool, well, welcome aboard. Don't be discouraged by me, there are lots of intellegent folks in the neuros community :)
[15:49]	<Inc>	and when we will find out if 60gb ipod will be replaced heh
[15:50]	<nerochiaro>	JoshMalone: what is a backspace doing in there ?
[15:50]	<Inc>	JoeBorn, haha no worries I don't consider you stupid we all need help. I do myself at times.
[15:50]	<JoshMalone>	i typed it
[15:50]	<nerochiaro>	JoshMalone: you typed it into the output of `ls -l cfc`
[15:50]	<nerochiaro>	?
[15:50]	<JoshMalone>	??
[15:51]	<JoshMalone>	Oh
[15:51]	<nerochiaro>	i see lines like this
[15:51]	<nerochiaro>	-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8192 Jul 15 1903 32mDesktop DBm
[15:51]	<JoshMalone>	that's ansi
[15:51]	<Inc>	JoeBorn, I recomend a hp that's 64bit for a laptop
[15:51]	<JoshMalone>	colorzied output in busybox
[15:51]	<JoshMalone>	sorry :)
[15:51]	<nerochiaro>	JoshMalone: ah, fine
[15:53]	<JoshMalone>	well - can't change baud rate to 38400
[15:53]	<JoshMalone>	so i'm screwed with my current USB-serial
[15:53]	<JoshMalone>	:(
[15:53]	<JoshMalone>	(I think)
[15:53]	<nerochiaro>	aren't serials quite cheap ?
[15:53]	<JoshMalone>	?
[15:54]	<JoshMalone>	this is only one I've been able to get working with debian
[15:54]	<nerochiaro>	if you need to get another i mean
[15:54]	<JoshMalone>	good ones are $30-$40
[15:54]	<JoshMalone>	iirc
[16:07]	<JoeBorn>	Inc: I'm not sure I really need anything very fancy.
[16:08]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: i've seen there are vendors that sell laptops with linux preinstalled, maybe you can find something that suits you among these offerings ?
[16:10]	<nerochiaro>	saves you some hassle and you get an hopefully guaranteed working system
[16:10]	<Inc>	well they have them for cheap and it would be best you know
[16:10]	<Inc>	amd64 is good
[16:10]	<Inc>	what's your budget?
[16:11]	<nerochiaro>	my guess he's not really under budget constrains ;)
[16:16]	<JoeBorn>	well, it's just that I'm just not a very demanding user really.
[16:16]	<JoeBorn>	I mean, I'll be pretty happy if I can get "hello world" to compile for a neuros
[16:17]	<JoeBorn>	also, I have no weight contstraints.
[16:18]	<JoeBorn>	long battery life
[16:18]	<JoeBorn>	reasonably priced spare batteries, important
[16:19]	<Inc>	JoeBorn, tell me are you within 1,000 or above or below?
[16:19]	<JoeBorn>	pre-installed might be good, although honestly, a big part of my goal with setting up the machine is learning
[16:20]	<JoeBorn>	$1000-$1500 something like that.
[16:20]	<nerochiaro>	JoeBorn: on notebooks that is more tricky than on desktops, AFAIK
[16:20]	<nerochiaro>	can be, at least
[16:21]	<JoeBorn>	Linux on notebooks?
[16:22]	<nerochiaro>	installing it
[16:22]	<nerochiaro>	don't have first hand experience, but that's what others told me
[16:23]	<JoeBorn>	right, looks like getting wireless working is not necessarily a snap.
[16:23]	<JoeBorn>	Also, I have a great setup with my cell phone that I love.
[16:23]	<JoeBorn>	EVDO dialup via bluetooth.
[16:24]	<JoeBorn>	so I have internet everywhere in Chicago.
[16:24]	<Inc>	JoeBorn, ok I'll find some good stuff
[16:24]	<JoeBorn>	I even have it working on my Dell Axim, thanks to Druish's help
[16:25]	<nerochiaro>	sounds nice
[16:29]	<Inc>	JoeBorn, have what?
[16:29]	<Inc>	oh
[16:54]	<JoeBorn>	srobertson: you there?
[16:54]	<JoeBorn>	I want to put a statement on the wiki about adopting open standards and I'm not sure where to put it.
[17:19]	<JoeBorn>	what do you all think of DEFCON?
[18:20]	<dos000_>	anyone explain to me why you need wine to compile neros fmw ? isnt there a linux tool chain available ?
[18:20]	<JoshMalone>	thats referring to the old c54xx firmware
[18:20]	<JoshMalone>	not the new one
[18:21]	<JoshMalone>	the c54xx TI compiler is win32
[18:24]	<dos000_>	ah !
[18:25]	<dos000_>	JoshMalone, how mush flash is available in the new r3 ?
[18:26]	<JoshMalone>	not sure - the board I have has 4mb
[18:27]	<dos000_>	tow ! at the very least how much the os with minimal apps will take ?
[18:28]	<dos000_>	i want to compile mozilla or xcomp for this thing
[18:28]	<JoshMalone>	all :)
[18:28]	<JoshMalone>	mozilla is OUT of the question
[18:28]	<JoshMalone>	however - there is minimo under development
[18:28]	<JoshMalone>	(i think)
[18:29]	<JoshMalone>	of course - you can run stuff off the HD on some units....but that has
[18:29]	<JoshMalone>	battery impact and soforth.... :)
[18:31]	<dos000_>	i ve seen minimo .. thats what i meant. at the very least getiing a minimal stuff going
[18:32]	<dos000_>	the plugin an js stuff will be nice
[18:34]	<JoshMalone>	thinking to make r3 into a set-top 'net box?
[18:35]	<dos000_>	yes !
[18:36]	<dos000_>	that would be nice in fact .. i could never get my hand on those set top boxes .. now i have a chance
[18:36]	<dos000_>	with the ethernet port .. i hope someone does not decide to remote it at the last minute
[18:36]	<dos000_>	remove
[18:43]	<JoshMalone>	want a msn webtv?
[18:44]	<dos000_>	noo ... just mythtv
[18:45]	<dos000_>	but having the xpcom scriptability/flexibility will be awsome
[18:46]	<JoshMalone>	:)
[18:46]	<dos000_>	according to www.theneuros.com R3 will get 8M flash ..
[18:47]	<JoshMalone>	prolly
[18:47]	<dos000_>	there ar so many vertical market ideas i can not disclose now tho ;-)
[18:50]	<JoshMalone>	lol
[18:51]	<dos000_>	so how far are you in the bsp compile ?
[18:52]	<dos000_>	i wiil prolly order a dev board as soon as they are available
[18:53]	<dos000_>	how can i use an x86 machine for the testing ?
[18:53]	<JoshMalone>	i have bsp running on the target
[18:53]	<JoshMalone>	easy
[18:53]	<dos000_>	nice !
[18:54]	<JoshMalone>	bsp includes a cross-compiler and cross-debugger
[18:54]	<JoshMalone>	re nero
[18:54]	<nerochiaro>	re
[18:54]	<dos000_>	i want to use netboot to start testing the ui code
[18:55]	<JoshMalone>	u can do that w/o dev board
[18:55]	<dos000_>	but use an x86 (old k7) macxhine as target platform
[18:55]	<dos000_>	exactly ...
[18:56]	<dos000_>	can i make the bsp target x86 ?
[18:56]	<JoshMalone>	svn co svn://svn.neurostechnology.com/Nano-X/trunk
[18:56]	<JoshMalone>	just check-out and run the main app
[18:56]	<JoshMalone>	atm, audio and video dont work if running on x86 host
[18:56]	<JoshMalone>	but the UI and interface do (or so I hear)
[18:58]	<dos000_>	tow ! .. that reposit does not seem toexist .. going to see the svn web now
[18:59]	<dos000_>	hmm .. semms there !
[19:07]	<dos000_>	JoshMalone, getting the sources ...
[19:10]	<JoshMalone>	good
[19:24]	<dos000_>	JoshMalone, i guess no one has written the "your first neuros app " .. gonna try to find about nanox hello world app