Log from #neuros IRC channel

quux: i ask because i talked just now with another staffer and he told me that we needed someone parked in the channel with an onjoin telling everyone to go to ##neuros

[13:56]

<quux>

more than me, fer shure

[13:56]

<Inc>

except for the fact he lives in brazil and has acai

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nerochiaro: no

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nerochiaro: who was that staffer?

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nalioth

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hmmm

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he needs to learn more stuff

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<Inc>

and alot of it.

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<Inc>

(That was for the acai

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Inc: hey, my stock of acai here is over

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<Inc>

)

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I need to go to the supermarket

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i don't know, i'm rather clueless when it comes to IRC stuff

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maybe later today

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<Inc>

UdontKnow~, haha well I have to import it. haha

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well

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hello

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is someone from the official neuros project here?

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<Inc>

not at the moment

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<Inc>

14:01 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Nickname: JoeBorn

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<Inc>

14:01 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Registered: 1 year 7 weeks 3 days (16h 39m 42s) ago

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<Inc>

14:01 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Last Seen: 6 days (20h 25m 22s) ago

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right

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well

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Inc: maybe he's on a trip to the China division. he's usually on more often

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he can file a group contact form, if he didnt do so yet

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and we can give this channel to him

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UdontKnow: we already did it

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UdontKnow: on the name of JoshMalone, another user who's here often and agreed to be the group contact

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right

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UdontKnow: nerochiaro was in a Pm wondering the status of the Gcf

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well, did you guys poke lilo about it?

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<Inc>

UdontKnow~, he has filed one.

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UdontKnow: yep, Josh did it

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<Inc>

lilo takes like 6 months - year to allow group registrations

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<Inc>

arcane I had to bug him like daily and got it within a year

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<Inc>

:)

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Inc: thanks for the useful comment

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UdontKnow: AFAIK lilo just mentioned the backlog, and that it was being processed. but i didn't talk to him directly, so i'm not 100% sure i remember correctly what i was told his answer was

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<Inc>

well I'm explaining that it will take awhile for the group to go through explaining that it could be awhile before we posses #neuros

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<Inc>

and the redirect might be more immediate

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if that's automatic and doable, i thing it might be a good idea. but only if it happens automatically

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<Inc>

it will

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on channel join, as i mentioned before

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ok

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<Inc>

nalioth~, didn't know I guess.

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no problem

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so, i think we might just post a message on the neuros mailing list asking if everyone agrees, and then if it's ok we contact UdontKnow or quux to get it done ?

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better just have lilo finish the gcf

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I poked him

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<Inc>

ok cool.

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<quux>

Well. I can't personally setup forwards.

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UdontKnow: fine, if it doesn't take some more months

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I wish lilo would be faster on that or would relay that to someone else

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quux: ah, i see

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but he doesnt do either one :(

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sorry for the delay

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<Inc>

bearperson finally got through to him on arcane .

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<Inc>

err and hedgemage

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UdontKnow: ok, we'll just keep waiting then. and keep crossing fingers ;)

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thanks anyway

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if you want to prod lilo, do it

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<Inc>

I am :)

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* nerochiaro seems to hear Inc volounteering for that ?

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<Inc>

yurp

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<Inc>

that works got 4 staff members to poke him and I poked him too.

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<Inc>

:)

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Inc: good. good luck then

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<Inc>

yup

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yay!

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<Inc>

woohoo

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thanks UdontKnow

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really appreciated that

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<Inc>

ty

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i think that after this good thing happened, i'll go celebrate by having some dinner ;) thanks everyone who helped.

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later

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glad y'all got sorted

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<Eagle_Fire>

hey what was that link about building firmware on linux again

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* Inc murders Eagle_Fire

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<quux>

OK guys, here's what we can do.

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<quux>

If you submit a *new* gcf form asking for ##neuros (not #neuros), then we can do a forward to the ##neuros Inc recently setup

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<Inc>

well why not just ask for #neuros?

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<Inc>

it's already filed

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<quux>

Inc, because to be approved for that you'd need a company rep to assert their control over the name

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quux: i don't see why an automatic forward wouldn't need for that ? wouldn't it bypass completely #neuros sending all people to ##neuros ?

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<quux>

remember the stuff laid out in freenode.net

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that = the company rep authorization

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<Inc>

so there is a company rep though

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<Inc>

joeborn

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<Inc>

I guess we can email it.

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<quux>

nerochiaro: yes, but it would preserve the #neuros name for if/when the company decides to come and run a channel (or have someone do it)

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<quux>

this way, you can move forward and have a more-or-less equivalent setup

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<Inc>

arg I don't want to file a group registration for ##neuros

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<Inc>

I say we set mode +f ##neuros

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<Inc>

kick everyone

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<Inc>

and wait till a company rep comes by

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<quux>

w/o a gcf filed for ##neuros, the higher staff I'd depend on for that +f will not do it

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quux: and if we submit that group reg now, the redirect can be active immediately or should we still wait for someone to process the form ?

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<quux>

nerochiaro: if you submit now, it'd be pretty quick

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<Inc>

icky

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<Inc>

UdontKnow~, you won't set +f?

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<Inc>

without a group registration.

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without the proper gcf, I cant

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<Inc>

but I thought if it has 2 ## it's fine.

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<quux>

Sure. You have the channel registered.

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<quux>

The gcf is for the forward, basically

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<Inc>

but we already have one for the forward heh

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quux: does the group reg thing need a phone contact and someone to be reachable in US daytime hours ?

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<quux>

nerochiaro: phone contact yes; US daytime hours is not a constraint

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<quux>

be sure to put a note with your hours in there - use GMT/UTC timezone

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quux: i could do that, but i'm in europe and my spoken english sucks. not sure the phone contact would be of much help

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<Inc>

and I'm not fileing one.

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<Inc>

not to be offensive but I don't like lilo having my phone #. or anyone I don't really know.

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<Inc>

I don't trust it won't slip through the crack in politics to someone who I don't want to have it.

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quux: I can ask Josh (the one who submitted the previous reg request) to submit one for the redirect too.

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<Inc>

bbl

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quux: i'll tell him to ask you for details, if it needs any. If that's ok for you, of course

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<quux>

nerochiaro: that's fine. I get that you're a dev in this project?

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<Inc>

he's just the first neuros hacker or something like that heh

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<Inc>

anways I'm really out

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quux: yep, at least i was on the previous firmware

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<quux>

you are of course welcome to file yourself

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quux: i can't for the reason i told you above. the phone contact would be useless, unfortunately

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<quux>

well the euro timezone isn't a big deal

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<Inc>

wait nerochiaro could file for #neuros couldn't he?

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<quux>

he works for neurosaudio?

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quux: and besides, apart of JoeBorn (the Neuros company owner), no one works for the company here

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<Inc>

well he said he developed the previous firmware.

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Inc: i helped and hacked a bit on that. Joe is always overestimating a bit :)

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<quux>

Inc - really, you might want to read the link I gave

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<Inc>

I see.

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* Inc is gone

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<quux>

There's a reason for the dichotomy between primary and about names

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<Inc>

HI CHRISTEL!

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quux: i think i understand that differece

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hi kiddo

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christel: hi

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<quux>

thanks nerochiaro

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heya nerochiaro

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<quux>

Here's where we stand.

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christel: i gather you are one of the people responsible for the group regs ?

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<quux>

nerochiaro would file the GCF, but is in europe with bad spoken english

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quux: very

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i am one of the two people party to gcfs and approvals yes

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<quux>

They also have (apprently indirect) access to the owner of the neurosadio company

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quux: he's here often, actually

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<quux>

*neurosaudio

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<quux>

nerochiaro: he'd be the perfect guy to file gcf for #neuros

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its quite simply, we've already got one gcf that wasnt approved for this channel, as the website clearly states that your group is not officially endorsed/part of neuros audio llc

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and as such, i am happy for you to file a gcf for ##neuros and have a fwd from here to there, unless your friend at neuros audio llc are willing to act as an approving contact for you

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in which case he could approve one (or several) of you as the group contact and leave the channel in your hands

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christel: ok, but i just wanted to clarify a bit on the non-endorsement point. we talked with the company owner (who supports the OS efforts as part of the company policy, actually) and he said he was fine to have this channel as the official one, but he would not be available to manage it, or to be the group contact for it. So one of us (JoshMalone) volounteered to be the contact, and AFAIK the company owner would have just receveided a re

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as for the language barrier, im confident your english is better than my italian :) and i'm happy to run through the verification process with you online before the actual call so that you know what questions i will ask, and can prepare for answering them :)

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that would be fine for me, then, but please consider my message above too

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the last "him" was referred to Josh, the guy who submitted the reg form

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nod, it is perfectly fine for us that he doesnt manage it or act as a day to day GC, he could be an approving contact, and what that entails is for him to file a GCF at the same time as the person intending to be the Group Contact, we'd verify the intend group contact, then we would speak with the company representative, ask him a series of questions, he'd approve you or josh or whomever, and that would be all we'd need from him

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ah, i see. so: we have one gfc already in, for the contact person (Josh) ... we just need to ask the Joe (the owner) to submit another as "approving contact"

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which means that when he had approved whomever you guys choose as the GC, the GC would be the group contact and the person in charge of maintaining the channel and being the liaison with freenode

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yes :)

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although, im not sure i have a gc from josh, i have one from DeepB

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Really ? I'm pretty sure JoshMalone sumitted it

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hmm

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is joeborn the guy from neurosaudio?

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exactly

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and no, i dont have one from JoshMalone

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i do however have one from JoeBorn

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and one from DeepB

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which means that, what I need is one from JoshMalone unless you want to go ahead and use DeepB

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i suggest you guys have a chat, decide who you want to act as your GC, have him file a new GCF (or should you decide to go for DeepB thats fine too), then when you've made your mind up, drop me a line to christel@freenode.net and i'll try to get it verified/approved within 48hours of recieving the e-mail

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hows that sound?

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christel: let's do this. I'll submit as contact person now, if you say the lang barrier would not be a problem

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so we will get this over once and for all :)

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excellent :)

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in the worse case scenario, we will be able to swith contact later on, no ?

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certainly :)