[00:00]	<ymo000>	howdy
[00:00]	<GuestN200>	ya i can get away with around 30 mins but if i try a hole hour it just doesnt respond when i hit stop or any button
[00:00]	<ymo000>	nfs is @!%!$% driving me crazy
[00:02]	<GuestN200>	i will try usb harddrive in a few mins but im trying manual record right now and i notice that the fine setting is set and not changeable but on tv super fine is changeable to fine normal and economic!
[00:03]	<GuestN200>	i will try to record to psp direct right now all of my success full attempts were with SD MS pro duo with MS adaptor and when i tryed usb psp it locked up every time
[00:05]	<GuestN200>	wow i have only been recording for 10 mins and it locked up again i will reset and try usb harddrive!
[00:06]	<JoeyBorn>	so can you give me a scenario that reliably replicates it, at least reasonably reliably?
[00:07]	<GuestN200>	other things that i notice is if i record to asf it usualy records and doesnt lock up
[00:07]	<JoeyBorn>	anyone willing to test a 30MB .mp4 file for me?
[00:08]	<JoeyBorn>	it's not playing right on my machine, and I want to make sure it's not my machine
[00:08]	<JoeyBorn>	it plays back fine on the OSD, just not my PC
[00:09]	<GuestN200>	manual with a SD 2 gig card (150) speed chip and 640X480 res 1200kbps aac 1600 96kbps on fine mode and it locks up after reboot the file is on card but cant be played
[00:10]	<Xorlev>	JoeyBorn: How do you think CES is going to pan out?
[00:14]	<GuestN200>	i just hooked up a 12 gig laptop harddrive here i go
[00:17]	<GuestN200>	oh 2 more settings that dont work for me to include in my list was 30 frames a second and mp4 dont have as much trouble with SD and ASF
[00:18]	<JoeyBorn>	ok, I just sent to gao, hopefully they can replicate, but please do send me an email if you can.
[00:18]	<GuestN200>	oh and i dont try to browse the interface wile recording! i just hit the stop button when im done recording!
[00:18]	<JoeyBorn>	I'd really appreciate it, just to make sure in case we have questions, etc
[00:18]	<GuestN200>	ok
[00:34]	<American-Tech>	Got my CES pack on Friday..
[00:38]	<Xorlev>	Wish I could go to CES and meet you all
[00:38]	<Hostile>	Xorlev, heh so do I
[00:38]	<American-Tech>	The is my first time going.
[00:40]	<Xorlev>	How much does it cost to enter?
[00:41]	<American-Tech>	free to attend. There are presentations that you have to pay for if you want to attend
[00:42]	<Xorlev>	What company are you representing to attend? It's trade-only, right?
[00:42]	<American-Tech>	my own
[00:42]	<Xorlev>	Ah, cool.
[00:42]	<American-Tech>	American Techpushers
[00:43]	<Xorlev>	I could represent my hosting company if I had the money to get there and stay for a while. Eh, nice thought.
[00:43]	<GuestN200>	JoeyBorn so far so good with harddrive if hd is a relyable record medium than i will just record to it then copy paste the file to the SD and im happy till next release once again i have to say since i got the product it has improved (logical gui) and proformance
[00:47]	<JoeyBorn>	well, that's good I suppose
[00:48]	<Hostile>	JoeyBorn, I assume .46 has a lot of stability and bug fixes?
[00:48]	<JoeyBorn>	lots of improvements from Dec 7th, that's for sure.
[00:48]	<GuestN200>	yes!
[00:48]	<Hostile>	JoeyBorn, new codec pack?
[00:49]	<GuestN200>	ah all of the divx and xvid i have tested worked very well even out of the box firmware
[00:51]	<GuestN200>	yes the new codec pack shows when recording the video displayed is smoother and doenst jiggle as much in asf record
[00:51]	<GuestN200>	im stopping the record now
[00:51]	<GuestN200>	(35min record)
[00:53]	<GuestN200>	nice didnt crash i see the harddrive is a better record medium but thats just the first recording since reboot
[00:54]	<GuestN200>	i like the added info when fast forwarding that actualy works now! sweet!
[00:55]	<Hostile>	haha
[00:56]	<GuestN200>	after pressing play after fastforwarding the audio lagged for about 2 mins then it started stuttering like a broken record and rebooted on its own!
[00:57]	<Hostile>	it reboots if the main app crashes
[01:04]	<GuestN200>	after reboot the fast farward is behaving but the diffrence is im using the fast forward button to resume normal speed!
[01:06]	<Hostile>	oh
[01:10]	<GuestN200>	i just found the pause recording tab lets see if it works
[01:17]	<GuestN200>	yes the pause/resume feature works very well no crash so far and it tested and had the commercial i paused on missing as it should be now if some one could add smart commercial detection!
[01:19]	<ymo000>	shiiiiiiiiiiiiiite ... nfs works finally !
[01:21]	<suma>	hi anyone please help me to setup the toolchain ?
[01:21]	<ymo000>	hey suma
[01:21]	<ymo000>	i just finished atftp and nfs yay !
[01:21]	<suma>	it is going utter stupid here on y side !
[01:21]	<suma>	*my
[01:21]	<ymo000>	whats going on ?
[01:22]	<suma>	when i use patch -p0 < use-fakeroot
[01:22]	<suma>	the patches failed
[01:22]	<ymo000>	whats the rror ?
[01:22]	<suma>	says like this ./00_Build.sh: line 28: neuros-env: No such file or directory
[01:22]	<suma>	[root@localhost OSD]# patch -p0 < use-fakeroot
[01:22]	<suma>	patching file neuros-bsp/scripts/Makefile.fs
[01:22]	<suma>	Hunk #1 succeeded at 4 with fuzz 1.
[01:22]	<suma>	Hunk #2 succeeded at 33 (offset 1 line).
[01:22]	<suma>	patching file neuros-bsp/scripts/project-env
[01:22]	<suma>	patching file neuros-bsp/setup-rootfs
[01:22]	<suma>	Hunk #2 FAILED at 26.
[01:22]	<suma>	1 out of 2 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file neuros-bsp/setup-rootfs.rej
[01:22]	<suma>	patching file neuros-bsp/rootfs/Makefile
[01:22]	<suma>	Hunk #1 succeeded at 91 (offset 2 lines).
[01:23]	<suma>	Hunk #3 succeeded at 142 with fuzz 2 (offset 2 lines).
[01:23]	<suma>	this is the error
[01:24]	<suma>	i can accept this device is opensource, doesnot mean the maintainer need to torture the customers like this
[01:24]	<ymo000>	which build are you using ?
[01:24]	<suma>	svn.neurostechnology.com
[01:25]	<suma>	took the latest one
[01:25]	<ymo000>	ok .. now you need to svn up to the latest tags :)
[01:25]	<suma>	svn.neurostechnology.com
[01:25]	<ymo000>	i used .40
[01:26]	<suma>	this is the one i'm using
[01:26]	<ymo000>	OSD_VER_3.26-0.40_061222
[01:26]	<suma>	where it is mentioned in the wiki or any document to refer ?
[01:26]	<ymo000>	the one you are using is very old ... the wiki is missing this fact
[01:26]	<ymo000>	i had to find it the hard way as well
[01:27]	<ymo000>	someone mentioned to me
[01:27]	<ymo000>	in fact i should maybe get my account on the wiki and update it
[01:27]	<suma>	patch -p0 < use-fakeroot FAILS as of data 2nd Jan 2007. Please don't use it.
[01:27]	<suma>	i updated in the wiki with the same
[01:28]	<suma>	so i don't want others to waste the time
[01:28]	<suma>	It looks like for someones company we are wasting our time
[01:29]	<ymo000>	actually the wiki tells you how to do svn switch .. but it says "if you want to" instead of you should
[01:30]	<suma>	but where to get the tag numbers ?
[01:31]	<ymo000>	on the open.neurostechnology.com there is a link on the left for browsing the src
[01:31]	<suma>	[kans@localhost OSD]$ for d in linux-r3-* Nano-X neuros-bsp Neuros-Cooler ; \
[01:31]	<ymo000>	i cant access it now
[01:33]	<ymo000>	suma, get the list from svn.neurostechnology.com
[01:34]	<ymo000>	i had to go thru the same problem here as well ... so i hear you
[01:34]	<suma>	so what to do now
[01:34]	<suma>	delete the current one
[01:34]	<suma>	and get the latest one and work on it ?
[01:35]	<suma>	the svn command does not switch, saying it is not from same repository
[01:36]	<ymo000>	have you used svn before ?
[01:37]	<suma>	yes
[01:37]	<suma>	wiki.neurostechnology.com
[01:38]	<suma>	i have updated the wiki and asked whoever visits until it gets updated
[01:39]	<suma>	If i get the problem solved, I will remove the errors and get the wiki updated
[01:39]	<ymo000>	there is a problem with thw no-watchdog diff as well
[01:39]	<suma>	that is why i mentioned in the top of the page no to follow up with the page
[01:40]	<ymo000>	i have a little script i used posted at pastebin.ca
[01:40]	<ymo000>	also the fixed no-watchdog.dif is there
[01:41]	<ymo000>	i will try to update the wiki
[01:41]	<suma>	sure
[01:41]	<suma>	once you are satified with the contents and others can use without problems then please remove the error
[01:41]	<ymo000>	this wiki was so helpful to get me started from zero :)
[01:41]	<suma>	otherwise developers will need to waste time in gettting the basic up and running
[01:42]	<suma>	yes, if we are working less and want to research it is bit ok, atleast at the development cycle it is OK
[01:42]	<suma>	but installing the toolchain and basic stuff must be easy to go
[01:43]	<cr-tablet>	its "never" easy
[01:43]	<ymo000>	this was a helluva thing for me
[01:43]	<cr-tablet>	and it def. not basic. ;)
[01:43]	<suma>	cr-tablet: I have developed applications for blackfin, installed toolchains for more than 10 processors and boards, never been this much tough though
[01:44]	<cr-tablet>	the build system was purchased
[01:44]	<suma>	blackfin is GPL
[01:44]	<suma>	which build system you mean?
[01:44]	<cr-tablet>	it sucks yeah, but it would take a heck of a lot of changes to move away from it
[01:44]	<cr-tablet>	neuros-bsp
[01:44]	<suma>	ha ha
[01:45]	<suma>	when you pay money, we seamlessly go easy to develop
[01:45]	<cr-tablet>	its ingenient
[01:45]	<suma>	but we cry here for making the development environment to get ready
[01:46]	<suma>	I don't want to become expert in installing toolchains
[01:46]	<suma>	I want to explore my expertise in the ways i can make the device better
[01:46]	<ymo000>	cr-tablet, there is someonthing wrong with the no-watchdog.diff ... care to update svn ? i have a (simple) fix for it
[01:46]	<cr-tablet>	as far as I know, watchdog has been disabled
[01:47]	<cr-tablet>	I don't apply it, and watchdog doesn't reboot me
[01:47]	<cr-tablet>	could be a fluke though
[01:47]	<ymo000>	cr-tablet, so no need for the diff then ? and the wiki
[01:47]	<JoeyBorn>	can anyone do me a favor and try to get the IR blaster learning to work
[01:47]	<JoeyBorn>	bugzilla.neurostechnology.com
[01:47]	<suma>	JoeBorn: ha ha, that is a nice idea
[01:47]	<cr-tablet>	ymo000: I really don't know. I haven't much time to sync up and do a full rebuild
[01:47]	<JoeyBorn>	is the best place for comments.
[01:48]	<Hostile>	night guys, going to finish up watching this vodcast on my OSD then go to bed
[01:48]	<suma>	JoeBorn: you have a guide for installing for toolchain without errors ?
[01:48]	<cr-tablet>	suma: i doubt it
[01:48]	<cr-tablet>	suma: we just got the source a few weeks ago
[01:48]	<cr-tablet>	suma: you're the first non-x86 i've encountered in the last 4 months
[01:49]	<suma>	cr-tablet: i'm using x86
[01:49]	<ymo000>	cr-tablet, i would appreciate if you can take a look at pastebin.ca .. the unit just reboots for no aparent reason to me
[01:49]	<cr-tablet>	suma: oh
[01:49]	<suma>	cr-tablet: just becoz for developing the device, i installed on my windows machine
[01:49]	<cr-tablet>	suma: so why are you trying to install the toolchain?
[01:49]	<suma>	cr-tablet: i want to get the basic up and go
[01:50]	<suma>	cr-tablet: as mentioned in the guide
[01:50]	<cr-tablet>	the toolchain is already installed
[01:50]	<suma>	wiki.neurostechnology.com
[01:50]	<suma>	which really sucks
[01:50]	<suma>	what for is the 00_build.sh for ?
[01:50]	<suma>	i dunno where it is complete or not
[01:50]	<cr-tablet>	its just an autobuilder someonw wrote, and it won't complete right now
[01:51]	<cr-tablet>	the toolchain is installed, and doesn't get moved
[01:51]	<cr-tablet>	it is in neuros-bsp/toolchain
[01:51]	<cr-tablet>	you change your enviroment to point to the toolchain
[01:51]	<suma>	what should i do to work on an application ?
[01:52]	<cr-tablet>	cd neuros-bsp
[01:52]	<suma>	cr-tablet: you have any wiki or document for the same ?
[01:52]	<cr-tablet>	you'll see it, source neuros-env
[01:52]	<cr-tablet>	sets up the enviroment for cross compiling
[01:52]	<GuestN526>	Hey
[01:52]	<ymo000>	cr-tablet, but for running stuff he has to do a full build at one point no ?
[01:52]	<cr-tablet>	for running stuff yes.
[01:53]	<cr-tablet>	we are having to do it by hand right now
[01:53]	<cr-tablet>	changes for CES have broken the 00_Build.sh
[01:53]	<cr-tablet>	no one has had a chance to update
[01:53]	<cr-tablet>	and stuffs kinda "frozen"
[01:53]	<ymo000>	i just got .40 compiled just now (finally)
[01:54]	<ymo000>	cr-tablet, but the unit just reboots .. maybe somethign is broken
[01:54]	<cr-tablet>	ymo000: rm -rf /srv/neuros-rootfs-osd/usr/local/plugin/i18n
[01:54]	<suma>	cr-tablet: wiki.neurostechnology.com
[01:55]	<cr-tablet>	suma: yes, i read it
[01:55]	<suma>	I updated the wiki, so that other developers who are coming in will not waste the time on doing the things again
[01:56]	<cr-tablet>	stuff is just kind of at a stand still because of CES
[01:56]	<cr-tablet>	from what I've gathered
[01:56]	<cr-tablet>	I'll update it for you tomorrow
[01:56]	<suma>	cr-tablet: how can i install the software and get ready to go in develop the software ?
[01:56]	<cr-tablet>	you have it installed
[01:56]	<ymo000>	cr-tablet, keeps rebooting :(
[01:57]	<ymo000>	cr-tablet, even after removing i18n
[01:57]	<cr-tablet>	suma: cd OSD/neuros-bsp
[01:57]	<cr-tablet>	suma: ./setup-rootfs
[01:57]	<cr-tablet>	suma: source neuros-env
[01:57]	<cr-tablet>	suma: now you use it just like you would gcc
[01:57]	<cr-tablet>	suma: only its arm-linux-gcc
[01:58]	<suma>	cr-tablet: did all patches stuff, etc., will it affect my development ?
[01:58]	<cr-tablet>	no
[01:58]	<suma>	some passed and some failed
[01:58]	<cr-tablet>	as i said earlier, i don't even use them
[01:59]	<cr-tablet>	they are for the running system stuff, not for compiling
[01:59]	<suma>	oh ok
[01:59]	<cr-tablet>	the watchdog diff, disables watchdog
[01:59]	<cr-tablet>	the fakeroot diff uses fake root so you don't need to sudo to create dev nodes
[01:59]	<ymo000>	it reboots after printing usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage
[01:59]	<ymo000>	USB Mass Storage support registered.
[01:59]	<cr-tablet>	./00_Build.sh is broken
[02:00]	<cr-tablet>	but you can find instructions in each of the dir's
[02:00]	<cr-tablet>	ymo000: do you have cards/usb stuff plugged in?
[02:00]	<ymo000>	cr-tablet, no man
[02:01]	<ymo000>	its only the driver i thing that gets registered then it borks
[02:01]	<cr-tablet>	you're going to have to watch closer for a segv or something earlier
[02:01]	<cr-tablet>	scroll back on your console
[02:03]	<ymo000>	none i can see :(
[02:03]	<ymo000>	rbooting again
[02:05]	<ymo000>	it rebooted 3 times during tftp :(
[02:05]	<cr-tablet>	thats not watchdog then
[02:05]	<ymo000>	cr-tablet, i inserted the returns in the watchdog by hand.
[02:06]	<cr-tablet>	if it rebooted during tftp, that can't be watchdog
[02:06]	<cr-tablet>	thats pre-kernel
[02:06]	<ymo000>	it just reboots random times so far
[02:07]	<cr-tablet>	does it do this with non-nfs booting as well?
[02:07]	<ymo000>	i have it hooked up to a 10m hub .. lemme put it to the switch directly
[02:08]	<ymo000>	not tried non nfs booting ... how do i revert from nfs ?
[02:08]	<cr-tablet>	type boot cramfs
[02:10]	<suma>	open.neurostechnology.com
[02:10]	<suma>	cr-tablet: i guess this is official page
[02:10]	<ymo000>	looks like non nfs passed
[02:10]	<suma>	cr-tablet: when i downloaded the firmware yesterday, the md5 mentioned is incorrect, i downloaded few more times and got tires
[02:12]	<ymo000>	cr-tablet, which build/tag do you normally use ?
[02:12]	<ymo000>	so far i tried .35 and .40 with no success
[02:13]	<cr-tablet>	i use trunk
[02:13]	<cr-tablet>	but, i've been writing apps
[02:13]	<cr-tablet>	i haven't booted it in a while
[02:23]	<ymo000>	cr-tablet, now it seems consistent .. it just reboots as soon as it does nfs mount
[02:56]	<ymo000>	cr-tablet, i am trying to go with trunk now ... as you noted 00_build is broken
[05:53]	<suma>	hey good
[05:53]	<suma>	hey good news
[05:53]	<suma>	!
[05:53]	<suma>	got asterisk working with neuros !
[05:53]	<suma>	now neuros can be used as a PBX :)
[06:20]	<batmark>	suma: whoa that was fast
[06:20]	<batmark>	?
[06:20]	<suma>	yep
[06:20]	<suma>	i'm optimising unwanted modules
[06:21]	<batmark>	how large is it?
[06:21]	<suma>	and the configuration directories
[06:21]	<suma>	give me few minutes
[06:21]	<suma>	i will send you as a bz
[06:22]	<batmark>	its fine my osd is on an old firmware atm
[06:22]	<batmark>	and i cant be bothered screwing with it
[06:22]	<batmark>	good work though
[06:22]	<batmark>	!
[06:23]	<batmark>	have you worked on plugging in a usb phone yet?
[06:24]	<suma>	not yet, but it is really possible and not tough though
[06:24]	<suma>	i guess the usb driver is stable
[06:24]	<batmark>	that would be awesome!
[06:24]	<batmark>	i think in the latest firmware its getting pretty good
[06:26]	<batmark>	suma: where are you from?
[06:29]	<suma>	batmark: i'm from singapore
[06:30]	<batmark>	k im from austraila
[06:30]	<batmark>	there arent many other people in our general time zone
[06:30]	<batmark>	it gets a bit lonely
[06:31]	<suma>	yep
[06:31]	<suma>	i guess most of the mare from the US
[06:31]	<batmark>	yup and a few from europe as well
[06:31]	<emma_peel>	:)
[06:31]	* emma_peel  amsterdam
[06:31]	<batmark>	emma_peel: what time is it there?
[06:31]	<emma_peel>	13:31
[06:32]	<batmark>	that not too bad. are you at work?
[06:32]	<suma>	nope, i'm at home
[06:32]	<suma>	today is holiday here
[06:32]	<batmark>	yay! holidays are cool!
[06:33]	<batmark>	im a university student so im on holidays for ages! :P
[06:34]	<suma>	i c
[06:34]	<suma>	tommorrow i need to go to work
[06:34]	<emma_peel>	i'm at work, yes, came late today :S
[06:34]	<emma_peel>	first work day of the year
[06:34]	<batmark>	ouch
[06:34]	<batmark>	emma_peel: still hungover?
[06:34]	<emma_peel>	yesterday i couldn't sleep!
[06:35]	<emma_peel>	i wish i had a hunover
[06:35]	<emma_peel>	jeje
[06:35]	<emma_peel>	just plain lazyness
[06:35]	<batmark>	ahhh do anything good for new years?
[06:36]	<suma>	i really want to hack OSD during the new year holidays !
[06:36]	<suma>	it is of good success
[06:36]	<batmark>	lol
[06:36]	<suma>	one moment i will be back
[06:36]	<batmark>	k
[06:36]	<emma_peel>	i got a webcam for trying some spook on the neuros, but couldn't manage to sit around it yet
[06:37]	<batmark>	i think someone else was working on using the osd for security cameras cant remember who it was though
[06:38]	<batmark>	being able to speak a 2nd langauge would be sooo cool!
[06:39]	<emma_peel>	hmm spook works on the little asus boxes with opewrt
[06:39]	<emma_peel>	dunno about dsp though
[06:39]	<batmark>	the dsp is annoying. if it was open source it would be sooo much better
[06:40]	<emma_peel>	:) as everything in life
[06:41]	<batmark>	emma_peel: you will probably need the dsp for the compression
[06:42]	<batmark>	i dont think the arm will be able to handle it
[06:42]	<emma_peel>	yes, i think.. and then i will not need to use such a crappy program like the spook
[06:42]	<emma_peel>	it's suited for small devices a.k.a. arm
[06:42]	<batmark>	k
[06:43]	<emma_peel>	i have to take a look though
[06:43]	<batmark>	if you want to know about the dsp talk to may1937 he knows the most about it
[06:43]	<emma_peel>	hivenetworks.net --> this is the people that's using the spook with openwrt
[06:43]	<emma_peel>	:) good to know
[07:55]	<GuestN665>	Hi, are there any commands to record or play a movie over Telnet?
[08:08]	<GuestN665>	nobody here?
[08:40]	<ymo000>	anyone can help with a reboot ... i am kind of lost here. pastebin.ca
[08:41]	<ymo000>	the usnit just keep rebooting .. is there a way i can enable more debug logs ?
[08:46]	<ymo000>	trunk is also borked
[08:49]	<GuestN665>	are there parameter for osdmain to play or record a movie?
[08:49]	<ymo000>	GuestN665, i am noob around here . iam just trying to get my first compile going
[08:51]	<GuestN665>	sorry, can't help you ;)
[09:13]	<suma>	ymo000: u there ?
[09:16]	<ymo000>	yup
[09:17]	<ymo000>	i saw you got asterisk going !
[09:17]	<suma>	yep
[09:17]	<suma>	but needs codec improvement
[09:17]	<suma>	only alaw works !
[09:17]	<ymo000>	so you just used the toolchain to compile or you are running it inside the OSD ?
[09:18]	<suma>	modifications needed in the Makefiles
[09:18]	<suma>	i'm running inside the OSD
[09:18]	<ymo000>	suma, but did you run it inside OSD ?
[09:18]	<ymo000>	how you did that ? using nfs ?
[09:18]	<suma>	usb thumb drive
[09:19]	<ymo000>	heh !
[09:19]	<suma>	i don't want to dig a big research into nfs
[09:19]	<suma>	once if that is ready, i can use nfs to upload the files
[09:19]	<ymo000>	this is actually better
[09:19]	<ymo000>	i did not think of it as well
[09:19]	<suma>	also samba is working, that will be much more easier
[09:20]	<suma>	i will very soon get a USB phone working with neuros with asterisk
[09:20]	<ymo000>	cool
[09:21]	<suma>	IAX2 and SIP working fine
[09:21]	<ymo000>	i am really stuck with this nfs right now :
[09:22]	<ymo000>	i spent the holidays trying to go from so many versions of the code
[09:22]	<suma>	you are good at nfs ? i mean the internal code
[09:22]	<ymo000>	suma, hear the settings are all easy to make .. problem is debugging where the problem is
[09:23]	<suma>	oh
[09:23]	<ymo000>	at one point the problem was a dir that was not created by the nfs install
[09:23]	<suma>	i c
[09:23]	<GuestN665>	isn't it possible to record or play a movie without osd over telnet, I wonder that I can't find any useable info..???
[09:23]	<ymo000>	now i have nfs working but the unit just keeps freaking rebooting
[09:23]	<suma>	oh
[09:24]	<suma>	that's bad
[09:24]	<ymo000>	i am now rebuilding trunk
[09:24]	<suma>	that is really a big task
[09:25]	<suma>	timing and the target is the issue here
[09:26]	<ymo000>	have you used nfs before ?
[09:26]	<suma>	yes i used, never configured
[09:27]	<suma>	since that is done our system administrator, so we bother only for the development
[09:27]	<ymo000>	so nice when you have a sysadmin "available"
[09:28]	<ymo000>	and a manager to breth down his neck because dev is stalled !
[09:30]	<suma>	yep
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