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GuestN200, there is no "nightly precompiled tarballs"

Probably not too hard, but I don't see much use in individual articles, perhaps one for OdNT in general.

GuestN200: You either have to compile it yourself or wait for the next release

we don't have that setup yet, and they would be too frequently broken

trunk :(

Trunk mades devs sad pandas.

[00:52]

xorlev, maybe for the wiki?

[00:53]

Possibly...but trackbacks for a wiki? I don't see too much of a point.

[00:53]

yea, you have a point.

[00:54]

isn't there some kind of trackback feature on drupal already? any idea how that works?

[00:54]

I guess my main interest is just knowing myself where the traffic is coming from

[00:55]

It's generally used by bloggers and such. We could always implement AWstats if we wanted to know referrers.

[00:55]

Or Google Analytics. That's pretty neat.

[00:55]

something like that would be *great* I have no idea where the traffic is coming from or to what

[00:56]

I don't have a clue what people are reading or care about on OdNT.

[00:56]

Hm, well I'll brainstorm on some ideas.

[00:57]

Probably wouldn't be too hard to implement the trackback globally in Drupal

[01:14]

just pop it in a template

[01:14]

Yar

[01:15]

* Xorlev puts on to-do list for tomorrow

[01:15]

yay!

[01:16]

so JoeyBorn, i heard you reference the 'stacks of returned 442s'

[01:16]

do you have any big plans for them?

[01:17]

not really, why you have any ideas?

[01:17]

not immediately

[01:18]

i was thinking of trying to convince andru to buy the 442s you're loaning us if you can give us a deal

[01:18]

not sure if he'd go for it

[01:19]

anyhow, we'll talk next week :)

[01:49]

<crweb>

JoeyBorn: I could use one

[01:49]

<crweb>

;)

[01:55]

natetrue, that'd be cool.

[01:55]

natetrue, that'd be cool

[02:12]

* nerochia1o yawns, mornings, and the winter vacations are officially over

[02:53]

<crweb>

nerochiaro: almost got an ipod ish audio app running

[02:53]

<crweb>

i'm using mplayer right now to play files. Just have to hook it up to nmsd

[02:53]

crweb: you're good. i did almost nothing these days :(

<crweb>

nerochiaro: www.limesg.com

mplayer locally i imagine ?

<crweb>

thats the "while playing" window

<crweb>

nerochiaro: yeah

<crweb>

just for testing the database, filenames, tag info, etc

[02:55]

crweb: that's a form designer screenshot ?

[02:56]

<crweb>

yeah

[02:56]

<crweb>

heres a real one:

[02:57]

<crweb>

nerochiaro: www.limesg.com

[02:58]

well, as a screenshot is not that great, but i get the point :)

[02:58]

<crweb>

pulls out of txt database, never touches the files, or slow bash output

<crweb>

sqlite database

<crweb>

and only updates the screen where the draw occurs

<crweb>

very fast

well, the "only update on draw" is basics

the rest is good. who updates the db ?

you have to do it manually ?

<crweb>

you do. under settings you set the Collections Folders, and hit scan

ok

[03:01]

<crweb>

and you can also switch to a network sql server

[03:01]

<crweb>

so db isn't on slow disc at all

that's all provided by qt's abstraction, no ?

<crweb>

yep

<crweb>

it took some tinkering

<crweb>

cause sqlite is different than postgres and mysql

[03:03]

<crweb>

but I got the tables generic enough

as long as you don't do complex queries

<crweb>

I'll be adding ftp, and http support

<crweb>

to "stream" from http and ftp

<crweb>

there'll be some cheating in that. but yeah

<crweb>

I'm liking it so far

<crweb>

ipod simplistic

in quotes since you don't do streaming but download and play locally ?

<crweb>

not a full download, I'll probably go in 200k blocks

ok, but you still feed a single existing file to the media api

<crweb>

yes

[03:06]

should work if network is good enough, but if it ever comes past the point where you have data, then i think the media server won't wait and will stop.

[03:07]

<Ycros>

you can feed it silence

[03:07]

/dev/zero ?

<Ycros>

uhm, I think you'd have to be intelligent about codec block boundaries

<crweb>

Ycros: you don't have to worry to much about mpeg

<crweb>

which is why mpeg is so nice

<crweb>

it "is" a stream

well, right, still have to write zero frames to the disk though, so it will eat space anyway

<crweb>

but yes, lots of care

space for silence

[03:09]

<Ycros>

what are we writing to the disk?

[03:09]

<crweb>

Ycros: the api doesn't allow streams

[03:09]

<crweb>

Ycros: you write to disc to fake a stream

<crweb>

means you also fake filesize

<crweb>

by writing zero's

if the server tells you that

<crweb>

I'm still working on my method

<Ycros>

I lack a context for this conversation, I have no idea what you're working on

<crweb>

nerochiaro: theres a frame in idv2 to get the filesize

Ycros: writing his own player for the OSD

<Ycros>

right

<crweb>

not that its always right

crweb: which most people won't use probably

<Ycros>

you're talking about the media api which uses the dsp?

Ycros: yep, that doesn't support streaming

[03:13]

<crweb>

i haven't even started looking at the nms api

[03:13]

<crweb>

just been doing my sql and window ordering

[03:14]

<crweb>

187k

[03:15]

<crweb>

sqldatabase for 115 tracks is 137k

[03:15]

<crweb>

I'll have a lot of cleaning to do

[03:15]

<crweb>

soon as it gets usable

[03:16]

<crweb>

I have some duplicate information in the db

[03:16]

<crweb>

album names, artist names, are all repeated for every track, instead of int's

<crweb>

nerochiaro: i can't wait for the IR changes

crweb: but the hell out of Gao then

<crweb>

nerochiaro: I'll be almost ready to start major testing

er, "bug the hell" i mean

he's holding these for review

<crweb>

how is the Neuros gui looking?

what do you mean ?

<crweb>

I haven't actually booted my OSD in a very long time

<crweb>

just been writing

didn't try .40 but i guess it didn't change much

<Ycros>

sqlite is awesome

<crweb>

the real qtopia was released a few days ago.

<crweb>

with phone support, helixplayer, and all kinds of stuff

<Ycros>

nice

<crweb>

ah, wireless device support

it's licensed as plain GPL rihgt ?

<crweb>

yep

<crweb>

first time ever

<crweb>

qtopia-core was just qt4

that's nice

<crweb>

this is qtopia commercial turned gpl

<Ycros>

nice.

[03:21]

<crweb>

the Archos PMA400 runs qtopia 4.2.0

[03:23]

<crweb>

well, bed time for tonight

[03:24]

have a nice rest

[03:24]

<crweb>

i think writing a jukbox in 36 hours deserves at least some sleep

[03:24]

no sleeping since 36 hours ?

<crweb>

i got excited

and you have lots of time in your hands too :)

<crweb>

yeah for 3 more weeks :)

don't waste it relaxing like i did

<crweb>

yeah i did vacations and weddings pre-christmas

weddings ?

<crweb>

friends weddings

ah, ok

[04:45]

<suma>

hi all, i have put the asterisk for download for the OSD

[04:46]

<suma>

nathanstores.com

[04:46]

<suma>

if anyone have any feedback on its working do let me know

[04:46]

<suma>

i will share the source soon

[09:39]

JoeBorn, ping

[10:10]

<crweb>

nerochiaro: how can i get ahold of your ir patches? I think I'm ready

[10:17]

crweb: until gao gives green light to releases them you can use the userspace driver in svn.neurosaudio.com

[10:18]

crweb: it's a bit old, but if you have any problems let me know

[10:18]

<crweb>

how did you choose which keys to bind to which buttons?

[10:19]

it's completely arbitrary. you can change it in the source. final driver will support remapping via ioctl, so you don't have to recompile everytime

[10:20]

<crweb>

does anyone have benchmarks on how Xeon performes compared to Core Duo and Pentium 4?

[10:22]

which xeon? which p4?

[10:22]

<crweb>

lets say a Xeon 2.67 EM64T vrs Pentium 4 2.6 northwood

[10:23]

<crweb>

P-4 2.8 northwood

[10:24]

<crweb>

I'm trying to deside if I wat to go dual xeon, or Core Duo for my new dev box

[10:24]

<crweb>

a dev box, that might play a few games every now and then

[10:27]

<crweb>

tomshardware.com doesn't ever really do server cpu's much

[10:29]

<crweb>

when they do, the compare to other server cpu's, not "desktop" cpu's

[10:47]

crweb: tried that driver yet ?

[10:48]

<crweb>

nerochiaro: no, still building

[10:48]

k, no problem

[10:48]

<crweb>

updating, plugging the osd in, etc

[10:49]

i think i'll update post-ces next time

[10:50]

is it just me or the OSD seems to take some time to "warm up" during which it shows very fuzzy on composite output, then progressively gets better with time ?

[10:52]

<crweb>

mine makes these large black spots

[10:52]

<crweb>

"dark" spots

[10:52]

<crweb>

always on the right of the screen

hmm, here it's like the image is shaking a lot, very frequent shakes, but only 1-2 pixel wide at most

just enough to make everythign blurry

<crweb>

could be the tv too

possibly. but it's my monitor, which is basically always on

[10:54]

maybe it's some problem with cables

[10:54]

it doesn't always happen

[10:56]

<crweb>

crap.. i just wasted an hour shopping

[10:57]

<crweb>

my desktop is right in the performance grey area

[10:57]

what do you mean with grey area ?

[10:57]

<crweb>

the low end Core Duo 2's in my price range, don't outperform my pentium 4 3.0 northwood

[10:58]

<crweb>

its the overlap

[10:58]

<crweb>

where the low end of the new line, is lower than the average performance of the old line

so you are better off keeping what you have

<crweb>

yeah

<crweb>

means I have to wait longer

<crweb>

I've had this thing for 2 years though

[11:00]

it's amazing how long i'm still feeling comfortable with this old athlon 1.7 i have. i don't feel any need to upgrade it at the moment

[11:01]

<crweb>

i'm the same

[11:01]

<crweb>

every once and a while i'll start shopping

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<crweb>

just to see, and then just lose interest

[11:02]

heh, i use to do that from time to time to. but hasn't happened in a while (monitor aside9

[11:02]

<crweb>

I want extremely fast build times

<crweb>

which is why i was thinking dual xeon

that helps, but be sure you are not constrained by disk access or other factors

before you shell out money for a new cpu

<crweb>

i'm all sata, and sata2

<crweb>

i have a really nice motherboard. makes parting with it very hard

<crweb>

6 ide 133, 4 sata, gigabit, 8 firewire, 8 usb

still make sure the bottleneck in your compilations is really the cpu

<crweb>

2 gigs of PC400.

<crweb>

yeah, i probably could use some nicer drives

what do you do with 6 ide ? there's not even the space in the case for all that stuff

<crweb>

you can have 6 individual, or 4, and 2 raid

<crweb>

I'm not using them

<crweb>

but I'd love to turn it into a server

for serving what ?

<crweb>

I've got 2.5TB in a firewire array

<crweb>

could put some of those internal

<crweb>

I have a recording studio

crweb: would they fit ?

<crweb>

they would in my server case :)

<crweb>

20 drive bays

watch out for noise at that point

<crweb>

there is a dual p3-866 in the case right now

<crweb>

shouldn't be any different than the firewire ;)

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<crweb>

i went firewire cause each unit has its own cooling though

[11:08]

<crweb>

i was losing drives faster than I could buy them

[11:08]

<crweb>

after i gave them all their own cooling, never had a drive fail since

[11:09]

either you have very hot drivers or you have a very hot environment.

[11:09]

most drives don't need own cooling

[11:09]

<crweb>

yeah, i dunno

[11:10]

<crweb>

internal case temp never got over 42C

[11:11]

strange

[11:11]

<crweb>

they can get pretty hot

[11:11]

<crweb>

even idle

[11:12]

speaking of noise, one of my silent fans is failing, it's making an horrible noise. need to single out which one and then replace it. what an annoyance

<crweb>

got to love those silent noisy fans

heh

noisy silent fans, more

<crweb>

ooh. right right

they served me very well for over an year, i can't really fault one of them for dying now

[11:14]

<crweb>

I've got to swap out the video fan on my tablet

[11:14]

that thing probably whines a lot, being small

[11:15]

<crweb>

its no so much a whine as it is, a click

[11:15]

fell slightly out of axis probably

[11:37]

crweb, have you tried the latest fmw and downgrade to a prev version yet ?

anyone feels like the making of the upk should be part of the build scripts ?

<crweb>

it should not no

crweb, pray tell why not ?

<crweb>

as said before, it can damage if not handled correctly

ymo000: you can include different things in the upk

ymo000: not everyone will like the defaults

crweb, thats why if it is done (tested) by someone in the know the script will automate it

<crweb>

making a upk is straght forward and easy

crweb: but if you don't include the bootloader, there's not much damange

<crweb>

ymo000: ?

<crweb>

ymo000: you don't need a upk for nfs booting

<crweb>

ymo000: and just because you packed it, doesn't mean its ready for r/o cramfs

crweb, exactly .. the booting via nfs is not working for me now

<crweb>

nothing is working for you

<crweb>

how would your custom upk help?

<crweb>

when the officials don't work?

<crweb>

use the one joe posted last night

<crweb>

.40

yes ... my only hope is that i get a newer upk and the thing start loading it. if someone can help verify that you can downgrade from .34 to .30 i will stop blaming .34

<crweb>

move on

<crweb>

just get something to work

crweb, he posted on the wiki or the irc ?

i still have my logs of the irc

<crweb>

if it won't boot cramfs then it probably won't boot nfs

ymo000: what would prevent downgrading ?

<crweb>

nerochiaro: filesystem change

crweb: you mean partition table ?

<crweb>

nerochiaro: they up'd the flash to 14mb and rw to 1mb

nerochiaro, the thing keeps saying invalid pkg ..

<crweb>

though I don't think its related to his problem

<crweb>

he's either a total moron, or has a broken unit ;)

crweb, it is a problem tho right ?

<crweb>

that was a joke btw

crweb, that not very nice :(

crweb: why do you say he has a broken unit ?

<crweb>

cause it won't even boot the good firmware

what is the good firmware ?

i have my little finger telling me something awful hapened in .34

<crweb>

any of the neuros released

<crweb>

ymo000: find 0.40

ymo000: i run .35 and it's happy

.34 is actually the one i have on there right now

<crweb>

it was a link at about 2 am

<crweb>

ymo000: move on, forget .34

nerochiaro, where you get the .35 from ???

ymo000: i built it ;)

.34 is the latest bin fmw i have seen

.40 is out, i think

nerochiaro, i have built upward from .30 to .47 which was releazed yesterday .. and it reboots at the same point again and again

<crweb>

ok

ymo000: but it did that even before ?

<crweb>

we aren't worried about building, till you actually get a neuros firmware to boot

nerochiaro, when i had the old fmw it would boot from the flash

ymo000: which old one ?

<crweb>

forget that you can even build. and get the unit functioning

nerochiaro, the one that came on the unit .. i dont know the version of it

ymo000: oh, ok

ymo000: then after that you put on .47 immediately, and it stopped booting

ymo000: right ?

nerochiaro, whe i say .47 i mean the svn tag ...

ymo000: yes

nerochiaro, i tried nfs booting using .40 .47 and even trunk

sourcerror: Did you make it to LUGOD's meeting last night? I was unfortunately at work until 19.30. :-/

nerochiaro, then i was told maybe is because i have an old fmw on the unit

ymo000: did you try cramfs_boot (normal flash boot) with .40 or .47 ?

nerochiaro, so i went with .34 the latest bin fmw ...

[11:51]

nerochiaro, i never got .40 or .47 to boot over nfs

[11:51]

no, not over nfs. i want to know if you did get it to boot *without nfs* with .40 or .47

[11:51]

<crweb>

ymo000: the firmware on the unit does not effect booting

crweb: i think with "booting" he means also the kernel

nerochiaro, so when i went to .34 .. it keeps rebooting at the same place .47 and .40 did over nfs

<crweb>

nerochiaro: thats what i've been trying to get him to do, but hes stuck with this .34 thing

ymo000: did you get my previous question ? did you manage to boot without nfs on .40 or .47 ?

[11:53]

<crweb>

ymo000: forget that nfs exists. Flash with neuros's upk for 0.40 or 0.47 and see if the unit works.

[11:53]

nerochiaro, mmm ... how do i get .40 or .47 on the flash ?

[11:53]

crweb, ok .. where are the .40 and .47 upk ?

ymo000: open.neurostechnology.com

whoops

i have not tried building them myself .. at the fear of bricking the thing

sorry, wrong link

<crweb>

ymo000: you'll have to check your log

ymo000: don't build

<crweb>

oh wait.

<crweb>

i'm an admin, i could just go look

open.neurostechnology.com

<crweb>

<crweb>

heh...

[11:55]

crweb: where's .40 though ?

[11:55]

crweb, you realize the Unofficial firmware (3.27-0.46) is the one evryone is loading thinking they are loading .34 ?

the links are the same !!!

<crweb>

nerochiaro: he never posted it

<crweb>

ymo000: LOAD it

<crweb>

ymo000: BOOT it

the link to .up *is* he same !

crweb: ymo000 is right though. the link IS the same

open.neurostechnology.com

crweb, thats exactly what i have now .. i was thinking i had .34 all along

both for unofficial and for .34

crweb: check it

someone made a booboo somewhere

we should really change one of them. it was overwritten

then we should pull off the .34 post or restore the link

<crweb>

Joe must have done that last night