[00:48]	<sumasuma>	crweb, used the asterisk binary, did it work ?
[00:48]	<crweb>	?
[00:48]	<sumasuma>	i sent asterisk binary to the mailing list
[00:48]	<sumasuma>	compiled one
[00:48]	<sumasuma>	that is plug and play
[00:49]	<sumasuma>	seen it ?
[00:50]	<crweb>	what is asterisk?
[00:54]	<crweb>	yeah.. something is screwed here
[00:55]	<crweb>	I've lost the ability to use my osd network interface on my self built stuff
[00:55]	<crweb>	even for really old tags
[00:55]	<crweb>	NET: Registered protocol family 1
[00:55]	<crweb>	NET: Registered protocol family 17
[00:55]	<crweb>	IP-Config: No network devices available.
[01:13]	<sumasuma>	crweb: asterisk is a voip application
[01:13]	<sumasuma>	supports most of the voip protocols and it is a pbx
[01:13]	<sumasuma>	ip pbx
[01:14]	<crweb>	oh
[01:14]	<crweb>	i can't even get my network card up
[01:14]	<crweb>	not sure what is happening
[01:14]	<sumasuma>	ooo
[01:14]	<sumasuma>	once you have the network up and running, you can try asterisk !
[03:56]	<Ycros>	sumasuma: what, asterisk on the osd?
[09:14]	* ymo000  has to get a hold of JoeBorn
[10:07]	<crweb>	anyone here running 0.49 or 0.46?
[10:08]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: ymo000
[10:09]	<crweb>	oh btw, now i'm fucked
[10:09]	<crweb>	I can't down grade
[10:09]	<crweb>	i can't reflash, and my uboot settings are screwed
[10:09]	<crweb>	I cant get it to bot
[10:10]	<crweb>	JoeyBorn: _prime_ example of why this was not a smart idea
[10:11]	<nerochiaro>	even more glad i didn't jump on it
[10:11]	<crweb>	you can't always assume you will release a firmware idea to fix peoples units
[10:11]	<crweb>	if Neuros makes a mistake, and users flash and find their units no longer work, and they can't downgrade, they have to wait for neuros's next release
[10:12]	<crweb>	I made a mistake, so I have to wait for neuros's next version.
[10:12]	<nerochiaro>	crweb: there's one thing you can do, maybe. create an upk of an older version code, label it with higher version tags. the try your luck
[10:12]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: i need new env defaults
[10:12]	<nerochiaro>	for uboot ?
[10:12]	<crweb>	yes
[10:13]	<nerochiaro>	it's part of the upk, you can put them into yours
[10:13]	<crweb>	how do i get it out?
[10:13]	<nerochiaro>	why do you need to get it out ?
[10:13]	<crweb>	ah ha
[10:13]	<crweb>	new idea
[10:14]	<crweb>	going to force a downgrade
[10:15]	<crweb>	:)
[10:15]	<nerochiaro>	how ?
[10:16]	<crweb>	that was easy.. but not easy enough that neuros should leave this totally broken
[10:19]	<ymo000>	nerochiaro, my unit wass on a list of borked unit so .46 nor .49 will help
[10:20]	<nerochiaro>	ymo000: true
[10:20]	<crweb>	ah, gao took my advice
[10:21]	<ymo000>	crweb, what did you do to downgrade ?
[10:21]	<crweb>	you can put an extra file in with your upk in newpackage/* to disable the check
[10:21]	<ymo000>	ah !
[10:21]	<crweb>	me, I totally cheated
[10:22]	<ymo000>	is that documented on the wiki ?
[10:23]	<crweb>	no, nor should it be
[10:27]	<nerochiaro>	i can't find the message from gao to ML where it says about the extra file
[10:28]	<crweb>	its in my warning post
[10:29]	<nerochiaro>	ah, i see it
[10:29]	* ymo000  just got a replacement unit ... yeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[10:30]	* ymo000  kisses joeborn passionately .. mmm .. euhhh ... sorry :)
[10:31]	<ymo000>	so .. should i try .49 or what ?
[10:42]	<JoeyBorn>	ymo000, don't forget to send back your old unit!
[10:42]	<crweb>	that was quick
[10:42]	<ymo000>	yes indeed
[10:42]	<crweb>	congrats
[17:51]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: testing your ir -> keyboard userspace driver now
[18:12]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: it works
[18:12]	<crweb>	nerochiaro: i have qt4 input
[20:45]	<NeoEdit>	hi testing .49
[20:46]	<NeoEdit>	like the default choice for the pause recording and the constiant hud wile paused to remind me when the show comes back on that im not recordingand need too!
[20:51]	<NeoEdit>	has any one had the dark vertical bar going from the right to the left i have had this only during recording since i got my osd in late november
[20:54]	<NeoEdit>	when i stop recording the bar disapears its like a refresh rate problem but when i watch the mp4 on my psp, hp 4700ux pocket pc using third party player (that pocket pc has 624mhz with ati video 640X480 res display!), and my computer the bar is present?
[21:01]	<NeoEdit>	so far the osd is much more responcive!
[21:02]	<NeoEdit>	(im basing the diffrences on .46 to .49
[21:07]	<GuestN966>	So does anyone know if the DivX codec supports packed bitstreams?
[21:08]	<GuestN966>	Have seen some issues with my Phillips 3040 not playing them smoothly. Am upgrading to .49 and will see if that helps on OSD.
[21:09]	<GuestN966>	Another question regards using VMPlayer to host development. Anyone try this? Have had good luck booting Debian
[21:09]	<GuestN966>	Could see if I could package a binary to start with VMPlayer if anyone is interested...
[21:23]	<sumasuma>	asterisk 1.4 is ready for neuros
[21:23]	<sumasuma>	and working great
[21:25]	<NeoEdit>	ice
[21:25]	<NeoEdit>	nice
[21:27]	<crweb>	i'm not sure how having vmware on an x86 machine, running an x86 os, is going to help develop for a arm system..
[21:29]	<crweb>	I'm trying to make a plugin. I put Q_EXPORT_PLUGIN2(OSDIrKeyboardDriverPlugin) like the docs say, but it says Q_EXPORT_PLUGIN2 requires 2 arguments.
[21:29]	<crweb>	i see its Q_EXPORT_PLUGIN2(PluginName,Classname)
[21:39]	<theolodian>	is this thing on?
[21:40]	<theolodian>	ah, ok. Learning as I go.
[21:54]	<NeoEdit>	think this freezing thing during recording on SD now that im now using .49 a problem with the hardware as i can record on a usb harddrive for hours but only mins on SD and i can record on MS for long time too!
[21:57]	<JoeyBorn>	welcome theolodian, um too late I guess
[22:04]	<JoeyBorn>	I'm using the OSD with a linksys NSLU2!
[22:04]	<crweb>	JoeyBorn: so from what I can see, they've hard coded a section of ram for devices, instead of letting linux manage the memory
[22:05]	<JoeyBorn>	not hacked yet, [g2] you are a NSLU2 hacker no?
[22:05]	<crweb>	network card, usb, sd, cf, instead of "using linux" they've hacked up a way to use blocks of memory and not let go
[22:05]	<crweb>	giving us 16M
[22:05]	<crweb>	if you try and go over 16M, devices just stop working
[22:06]	<crweb>	cause now you are in their dedicated ram
[22:06]	<JoeyBorn>	well like I said, they are just feverishly trying to get the multimedia to work for CES.
[22:06]	<crweb>	not only do they modules/codecs/ and drivers get all this dedicated memory. They also take up part of that 16M for having them loaded
[22:06]	<JoeyBorn>	so I'm sure there's lots of ductayp and bailing wire going on (pardon the pun)
[22:07]	<crweb>	well, don't for any reason let this pass
[22:07]	<JoeyBorn>	Gao can speak to it at the meeting.
[22:07]	<crweb>	it leaves us 2.8 mb of ram for applications to run
[22:07]	<crweb>	once you start osdmain, you only have 700k
[22:08]	* JoeyBorn  fears getting more severed horse's heads on his doorstep
[22:08]	<crweb>	JoeyBorn: the deal is, before they hard coded it, the devices worked fine if you decided to use 32M
[22:08]	<JoeyBorn>	700K is plenty. You could easily put ten copies of war and peace in 700K, come on!
[22:08]	<crweb>	heh
[22:09]	<crweb>	700k is barely enough to run wget
[22:09]	<JoeyBorn>	I'm just kidding.
[22:10]	<crweb>	think.. dos..
[22:10]	<crweb>	not just dos.. dos 3.3
[22:10]	<crweb>	:)
[22:11]	<crweb>	when is the meeting?
[22:11]	<crweb>	and when is CES so this hacking can be over?
[22:16]	<JoeyBorn>	CES starts on Sunday, but I guess the flailing will end on Wed.
[22:17]	<JoeyBorn>	we call that the famous Neuros headless chicken dance (TM)
[22:18]	<|batmark|>	JoeyBorn: it will be good when things are back to normal
[22:18]	<JoeyBorn>	I agree fellas, I agree.
[22:18]	<crweb>	if it works, and they get the idea that this method of handling memory management is acceptable. != good.
[22:19]	<crweb>	but, at least everyone will have time again and we can move on :)
[22:19]	<JoeyBorn>	It seems clear you won't let them get that idea :)
[22:19]	<batmark>	why was it originally done this crappy way?
[22:19]	<JoeyBorn>	when did it start?
[22:19]	<crweb>	batmark: lazyness. Its a very quick hack.
[22:19]	<crweb>	batmark: its what you do when you dont want to write your drivers correctly
[22:20]	<batmark>	k. i'm very unhappy. ive had my macbook for 1 day and i had to take it back to get repaired. :(
[22:20]	<batmark>	crweb: so is it an ingenient thing or a china team thing
[22:20]	<crweb>	batmark: you see it a lot in closed devices. cause, how are people going to know you hardcoded all your memory. They don't are the device works
[22:20]	<crweb>	batmark: not really sure. the change log is not very clear
[22:21]	<batmark>	k. closed source seems to encourage crappy coding
[22:21]	<JoeyBorn>	I'm not sure either, it's probably just isolating some things.
[22:21]	<crweb>	JoeyBorn: yes it is. thats why you do it.
[22:22]	<crweb>	JoeyBorn: but linux does that. its called a memory manager, and its actually very nice for embedded stuff and kernel 2.6 :)
[22:22]	<JoeyBorn>	in all fairness, .49, etc was not meant to ever be an official release.
[22:22]	<crweb>	I'm waiting on a more clear explination
[22:22]	<crweb>	on the ML
[22:22]	<batmark>	lol how is the multimedia stuff going at the moment? i havent had a chance to test the new firmwares
[22:22]	<JoeyBorn>	well, this kind of thing is where you guys really add value, but we are bringing on some more internal Linux expertise, so don't fret.
[22:23]	<JoeyBorn>	batmark, better, certainly much better.
[22:23]	<JoeyBorn>	there are still some bugs, but the files look great.
[22:23]	<crweb>	cool
[22:23]	<batmark>	nice! has xmms2/mpd been intergrated as the music player yet?
[22:23]	<crweb>	there was a huge speed increase between 0.46 and 0.49 aswell
[22:23]	<batmark>	sweet!
[22:25]	<crweb>	anyone do c++?
[22:25]	<crweb>	I'm having a problem compiling a class that implements some virtual functions.
[22:25]	<crweb>	osdirkeyboardhandler.cpp:55: error: cannot allocate an object of type `OSDIrKeyboardHandler'
[22:25]	<crweb>	osdirkeyboardhandler.cpp:55: error: since type `OSDIrKeyboardHandler' has abstract virtual functions
[22:25]	<crweb>	but, I've implemented all the virtual functions
[22:26]	<batmark>	crweb: i hate errors like that
[22:26]	<crweb>	its starting to ware on me
[22:26]	<batmark>	i didnt know the OSD has libstdc++?
[22:27]	<crweb>	I put it in a few weeks ago
[22:27]	<batmark>	isnt it massive?
[22:27]	<crweb>	800k
[22:27]	<crweb>	its needed
[22:27]	<batmark>	k thought it was bigger than that
[22:27]	<batmark>	i agree
[22:32]	<batmark>	how much room on the flash do we have left?
[22:33]	<crweb>	15-8
[22:33]	<crweb>	so 7ish
[22:36]	<batmark>	thats not too bad
[22:37]	<crweb>	yeah, pretty nice
[22:37]	<crweb>	its a sad day when you have more flash than you do ram
[22:38]	<crweb>	15M compared to 2M ;)
[22:42]	<batmark>	lol indeed
[22:51]	<[g2]>	JoeBorn I'm an original nslu2-linux guy
[22:53]	* [g2]  guesses that JoeBorn is using the "slug" as the storage backend
[23:40]	<batmark>	crweb: is libstdc++ going to be included in official images?
[23:40]	<crweb>	it already is
[23:40]	<JoeXBorn>	so this slu2 has ftp server enabled by default (which is pretty schweet)
[23:40]	<batmark>	sweet! that opens so many more options
[23:41]	<JoeXBorn>	so I just need to punch a hole to the outside world, I guess get port forwarding going on my router
[23:41]	<JoeXBorn>	(easier said than done)
[23:41]	<batmark>	does anyone have the link for 0.49
[23:41]	<batmark>	JoeXBorn: use a hammer!!!! :P
[23:41]	<JoeXBorn>	.51 is available now.
[23:41]	<JoeXBorn>	hold one sec and I'll post it.
[23:42]	<batmark>	sweet!
[23:45]	<JoePBorn>	um, I've really got some usernames working here :)
[23:47]	<batmark>	JoeyBorn: did you post it?
[23:47]	<JoeyBorn>	working on it.
[23:49]	* batmark  is incredibly hot and uncomfortable
[23:55]	<JoeyBorn>	open.neurostechnology.com
[23:55]	<JoeyBorn>	batmark, are you in a boiler room or something?
[23:55]	<batmark>	no it 35 degrees here in melbourne. hotter in my room
[23:56]	<batmark>	JoeyBorn: whats it like where you are?
[23:57]	<JoeyBorn>	40 degrees here.
[23:57]	<JoeyBorn>	diferent scale though :)