Log from #neuros IRC channel

what goes on the right hand panel ?

<crweb>

I'm fighting the expantions

<crweb>

the playlist

meh, drop the pill and put playlist there

you have space beside the stop button to put a smaller branding, horizontal.

that's what i would to, at least

<crweb>

yeah

<crweb>

i think so too

<crweb>

the "box" is transparent

<crweb>

for the playlist :)

[03:51]

<crweb>

oh, i love qt

<crweb>

they provide a media api now

can you do the transparent fb ?

<crweb>

all i have to do is write a plugin that connects to nmsd, or the modules

<crweb>

for the video playing thing?

yeah

<crweb>

yes, I subclassed the framebuffer driver and added the ioctls

[03:53]

<crweb>

I'm going to be unstoppable

<crweb>

as soon as... it plays files..

<crweb>

heh

<crweb>

i've got to learn how to thread now

you're on the run indeed ;)

<crweb>

Qthread is very nice

make me wish i had much more time in my hands like you do, dammit

<crweb>

that music window is going to start a thread and the thread will handle the actual file playing and stuff

actually nms already does that

<crweb>

meanwhile all the other windows can connect to the thread and show the status

<crweb>

right, I would start a qthread that works with nms

no, i mean that nms is a separate app

<crweb>

yeah

try starting a video, kill osdmain, the video don't stop

<crweb>

i have to have a thread going to hand the next playlist item to nms

<crweb>

meanwhile you can minimize the audio app, and browse the rest of the ui

<crweb>

if you start a video, it will signal the thread to stop

oh, ok

<crweb>

oh!

<crweb>

crap

<crweb>

i forgot a button to get back to the music browser

<crweb>

done :)

<crweb>

haha

<crweb>

great night

<crweb>

have a nice day, ttyl

[03:59]

cya

[03:59]

have a nice sleep

[06:52]

hmm, so what tag should I use now. I used 0.49 on one box, now I look at the tags and it says "do not use".... I use 0.54, and I get no UI ...

[06:58]

ok, got the UI... stupid static/dhcp ip issue again

[07:13]

.54 is fine for me

[07:39]

for some reason there's no splash screen, but apart from that .54 is fine for me now too. It was the wrong static IP in osdmain

[07:48]

beaufour: well, no splash screen is no big problem

[07:49]

no :)

[09:00]

<eigma>

ping

eigma: who are you pinging ?

<eigma>

anyway

<eigma>

*anyone

<eigma>

do you know how u-boot places the initrd in physical memory?

[09:03]

<eigma>

is it right after the zImage, a bit after that, or..?

[09:05]

it prints a partition table during boot, maybe that will help you ?

or maybe i misunderstood what you were talking about

<eigma>

I think so :)

heh, sorry. the sources of uboot are in cvs anyway, no ?

<eigma>

yes

[09:07]

<eigma>

I don't want to spend too long on this though, and reading the sources looking for this, I think, would take a long time

[09:09]

probably. best shot is just ask in ML then. larger chance of someone knowing, there

[09:09]

<eigma>

kk

<crweb>

nerochiaro: they did it

<crweb>

nerochiaro: the cold plug

where ?

<crweb>

i dunno, i just booted with it though

<crweb>

i don't see it in trunk yet

how comes you booted with it and it's not in trunk ?

<crweb>

i just started looking for it

<crweb>

i had to upgrade to 0.54

k

<crweb>

or risk bricking

i did too

[10:47]

but you know that

[10:48]

<crweb>

i'll probably have to fix the coldplug to make it work like traditional. but atleast its there

<crweb>

yeah, they didn't use the init system

doesn't that mdev solve that problem too

?

<crweb>

yes

so why not just proposing mdev to them too ?

<crweb>

they'd have to start using busybox 1.3

so what ?

<crweb>

it it doesn't work right

ah, there was a catch

<crweb>

the whole build process i mean

hmm, what's the problem ?

<crweb>

i had to build it component by component

[10:51]

<crweb>

something with something not being declared in iptunnel

[10:51]

can't you just exclude that component ?

[10:51]

<crweb>

i did

[10:52]

<crweb>

its going to take a bit of hacking to use all the new stuff in busybox too

[10:54]

<crweb>

we have busybox 1.1.2 from April 2006

[10:54]

<crweb>

busybox seems to release alsmost every month and just stepped up to 1.3.0

i see. maybe in the future

<crweb>

in the very near future for my svn

but it's a pity because maybe it's less work to support 1.3 than to hack colplug

i was thinking main line

[11:01]

<crweb>

nerochiaro: if that guy comes in we were talking to last night or thismorning

[11:01]

<crweb>

(-8 hours from current)

<crweb>

nerochiaro: tell him he can flash to 0.54 and it should start working again

sur

<crweb>

rastyk

sure. but doesn't .46 brick completely ?

<crweb>

he is safe

oh ok

<crweb>

his is still flashing

i'll tell him if he pops up

<crweb>

this kinda goes to show that some of us have better sdram chips than others

[11:04]

<crweb>

wonder if there was a production change

[11:04]

or better luck

[11:04]

<crweb>

well, by that theory i should be on my 10th unit

[11:05]

:D

[11:05]

<crweb>

though I have been lucky lately

[11:05]

<crweb>

2004/2005 was rough

<crweb>

I had 5 laptop replacements, and 17 harddrive replacements in my dell inspiron 8***

eeh ? 17 ?

the hell ?

<crweb>

yeah, Hitachi 5400 rpm 80gig

<crweb>

it was known to just, go bad

<crweb>

but they kept sending them

[11:07]

<crweb>

what was nice is, they upgraded the model every replacement

[11:07]

but if they were all bad, not much use for that

[11:07]

<crweb>

so i ended up selling for $2100, what I bought for $1100

well, that wasn't all that bad luck then

<crweb>

the last one I got, in feb 2005 was great

<crweb>

it didn't have a hitachi drive, and it was awesome performance

<crweb>

I sold it to a friend, and 3 weeks later it was stolen where he works

<crweb>

i warned him

<crweb>

freaking thing was cursed

and mysteriously reappared into your house after a week ?

<crweb>

no, I replaced it with a tabletpc

<crweb>

that i've beat to hell and it just won't break

cr-tablet, yep

<crweb>

2 weeks after having it, i tripped on the ac chord and it fell off the top of a bookcase onto concrete floor, while booted into windows

[11:10]

<crweb>

not a scratch

[11:10]

<crweb>

sounded like a plastic fork hitting the floor

[11:10]

<crweb>

good 6-7 foot fall

[11:11]

<crweb>

it has an accell detector, it parks the harddrive if there is x amount of movement

[11:12]

<crweb>

i did have a heart attack though

[11:13]

scary indeed. these accelerometers are very nice, i really wish they would fit these in every disk

[11:14]

<crweb>

they aren't in disk usually

[11:14]

<crweb>

the support is just in the controller to instant park

i though it was built in the on-disk chip

maybe we're talking the same thing

<crweb>

i admint i'm a bit cloudy on the details, but mine will park any drive

oh, then you are right

<crweb>

and I can play games with it

<crweb>

maybe there are drives that have it built in

<crweb>

but mine has it systemwide

<crweb>

and doesn't work in linux

when it parks, if something is reading it appears to sw as just a slower drive, right ?

<crweb>

which is why i'm very happy i was in windows

i mean, like if the drive is taking a long time to read

<crweb>

most accells only last a slit second

<crweb>

split

it really needs some sw support to work ? that sucks

<crweb>

hdaps

<crweb>

i think is the ibm in disk one

[19:29]

hi eveyrone

[19:30]

crweb : saw the notes from late night last night, thanks for the help, going to re-flash it now

OK, the same thing that caused a crash on the OSD lsat night (when I had to re-flash it to 54)

has happened on the current version 3.27-0.54

I went to the recording options screen, was in the first field, it said TV

I hit right arrow to see the other option, it showed Apple Ipod and the screen blanked out

[20:03]

and then after about a half a minute, it went back to the orange eye/ear picture

[20:03]

I'll be back in a bit, have to do something for a bit

[23:31]

i just mopped the server room floor

[23:31]

<crweb_>

first time its been even swept in 8 years

do you work night shift or out of USA?

by the way, thanks for helping last night

I did see there was chat early AM after I left, I installed the newest firmware

still having problems, but it did boot up fine (that same screen, right arrow crashed it)

[23:33]

I can imagine mopping a server room floor might be kind of scary

[23:33]

I wouldn't want to do it where I work. They're a bit serious about things like the server room

[23:34]

<crweb_>

well, the dust was getting really bad

[23:34]

<crweb_>

the best way to get rid of it, is to mop while its settled

[23:35]

i guess.. do you have a raised floor?

[23:35]

<Ycros>

hmm I've gotta start working out a structure for my show and tell session at lca

[23:35]

<crweb_>

no

<crweb_>

theres nothing in the server room at the moment

<crweb_>

Its all out in the hall, with net cables to the wall wire rack

<crweb_>

:)

heh

<Ycros>

what should I talk about

whaddya want to hear yourself talk about?

;)

<Ycros>

or, perhaps, better phrased: is there anything I should mention in particular

<crweb_>

you can talk about how df shows you a bunch of stuff thats mounted

<crweb_>

but when you try to unmount, it says its not mounted

* crweb_ mounted from a chroot

<Ycros>

...

<crweb_>

and now its ghosting or something

[23:38]

<Ycros>

everyone see the new iPhone?

[23:39]

<crweb_>

well, crap. reboot

frankly, I never evern bothered to look at the article

<Ycros>

I just looked on apple's site

I did loo at the xbox 360 ip tv, worthless

<Ycros>

dunno about an article

<Ycros>

watched the demo/speech about it as well

[23:41]

I saw something about the apple itv, I'm not impressed about that either

here's my problem. I don't want to pay for soemthing twice

<Ycros>

the iPhone looks very, very nice

they're just going to (both microsoft and apple) try to get you to pay a few more bucks for a movie you probably already own

yeah, have to say apple has a good taste in equipment like that

<Ycros>

it's a giant touchscreen, it's an ipod, it's a phone

<Ycros>

it runs osx

<Ycros>

it has browsing, email and photo capabilities that don't suck

<Ycros>

and it multitasks

<Ycros>

and it's _easy to use_

[23:44]

<Ycros>

I can see many people buying these

[23:44]

I bet one of my friends already placed the order *laugh*

[23:44]

<Ycros>

it's out in june in the US

<Ycros>

hmmph

<Ycros>

heh

OSX? have you gotten any good information on it?

huh, see the page now. This is pretty slikc

man this must be a big purchase.. ouch

wow, when you shift it it automatically switches from portrait to landscape

<Ycros>

yes

they're so good with their UI stuff

<Ycros>

the demo movie really shows it off

<Ycros>

it's around $499 USD for the 4gb model, $599 for the 8gb

<Ycros>

if I remember correctly

????

man that's not bad at all

<Ycros>

they said that that's how much people are paying for an mp3 player + smartphone currently anyway

yep

well, the question I'd have is if I can jsut buy it by myself

<Ycros>

but the iPhone is better

<Ycros>

hehe

or if that's that much + a 2 year contract throgh Cingular

for that much, I'd like it to never have been locked at all

plus wifi

welp, good thing my cell phone contract will be gone by then

<Ycros>

ah, yeah

laugh

<Ycros>

contract

<Ycros>

it is with a 2 year contract

I have a symbian 60. Great phone. But I had to get a 2 year contract

<Ycros>

same with the iPhone

Phone is great though, much better than what was out there

it's big but beautiful :)(

<Ycros>

they're doing exclusive services for the iPhone

<Ycros>

at the moment they're just offering something called visual voicemail

<Ycros>

where you can see all your voicemails and manage them/pick which ones you want to listen to on the phone

<Ycros>

without wading through silly audio prompts

<Ycros>

they did say that cingular+apple are working on more stuff though

<Ycros>

dunno

<Ycros>

I'm in australia, we probably won't see these phones until next year

but sometimes they'll make such a big deal of little things... I have google maps on my phone

it's a 2 year old phone

I have gmail too.. they make an app for that

but OSX could do it for me

* [g2] also but it's just a year old

<Ycros>

I get gmail on my phone

[23:52]

<Ycros>

but it's shit

[23:52]

<Ycros>

and so is the web browser

[23:52]

mine is pretty good, i'm using the opera mini

it's really small, and only picks the small graphics

granted, the iphone should have lots more horsepower

<Ycros>

aye

<Ycros>

opera mini is nice

<Ycros>

but iPhone runs safari

<Ycros>

you see pages just like on your computer, you can zoom into bits of the page

<Ycros>

sort of like on the Wii

right, over wifi

<Ycros>

I guess

<Ycros>

or edge/whatever it is

but i'd be curious waht the connection over edge is

<Ycros>

it'll switch between edge and wifi automatically

my phone uses it and it's not bad, but it's no speed demon

then agian, my cpu is probably much slower

very nice 5 hours of usage itme (talk/video/browsing)

<Ycros>

yeah

<Ycros>

the other thing was itunes integration

<Ycros>

it syncs just like your ipod

yeah, a blessing and a curse

<Ycros>

you can sync movies, tv shows, but also contacts and calendars and things

I don't know whether I like itunes or hate it

<Ycros>

the reason they used was that people do it with their ipods already

<Ycros>

so they're used to it

<Ycros>

I don't like it, heh

<Ycros>

but then I haven't used it much, and I don't own an ipod

it has some good things... but i'd personally rather just dump stuff on a drive

I like the flipping through itunes with the finger

<Ycros>

yeah

<Ycros>

and scrolling in general

<Ycros>

you just... scroll

only problem is that with my phone my internet is like $20 a month

<Ycros>

I'm wondering what sort of apps you can run on it

<Ycros>

if it runs osx

I bet this would be cingular's bigger rate plan

<Ycros>

if you'd have to build them for it

<Ycros>

hmm

<Ycros>

I guess you would

PDAs they make you pay double ( at least they used to)

<Ycros>

wonder what arch they're using